Warhammer Warhammer 40,000: Rogue Trader Pre-Release Thread [GAME RELEASED, GO TO NEW THREAD]

[Tyranicon]

There is a need for a warhammer 50k where the emperor is revived and goes on some arse raping jihad lol.

Things seem to be heading that way.

Also all that grimdark shit gets boring,because it lacks contrast. If everything is grimdark then everything is normal in a way.

This point has some merit.

Warhammer Fantasy had an uber grimdark

Spoiler

conclusion

and IIRC, most of the fanbase hated it.

Or they hated Age of Sigmar. That probably didn't help.

 

[Sykar]

If the game doesn't give you the option of at least some kind of xenocide, people are gonna question how lore-accurate it is.

"Grrrr I'm evil and you must DIE!". It does not get any less retarded even under the guise of "Imperial racism".

Completely normal in the Imperium tbh. Any human could put 20 Eldar babies in a meat grinder and people would think literally nothing of it. In fact they would applaud you for it.

Eldar canonically have caused the death of millions/billions of humans just to save a few of their own. So fair's fair.

You know who else has canonically has caused the death of billions of humans? Humans.

nigger, even in games humies were allied with eldars out of necessity. problem is as all elves fags will betray you at first opportunity.

Having a short allience for a few missions is one thing. Staying out of each other ways and having diplomacy is different. Also don't know how much canon are the game.

nigger, imperium is millions of worlds and thousands of wars at all times. there is no such thing as ally to all imperium. you can fight together with some eldars against tyranids and on another world killing each other.

Why not ??? Why can't humans just get their shit together and go arse rape some retards with their armies??? They are in constant stagnation where nothing happens lol. All those millions of worlds and there is not single chap that could invent a new gun ?!?!?!?! lol the whole lore is retarded in that aspect. And that is there because it is table top game. There is a need for a warhammer 50k where the emperor is revived and goes on some arse raping jihad lol. Also all that grimdark shit gets boring,because it lacks contrast. If everything is grimdark then everything is normal in a way.

The first thing the Emperor would purge is the retarded cult around him. The Emperor literally went on a religious purge when he was alive and well in an attempt to stamp out religion. He would be disgusted that the Imperial cults would worship him as a god.

 

[Tomas]

So far in the game diplomacy is flexible. You can go hard core burn the heretic or be more lenient.

 

[Alpharius]

nigger, even in games humies were allied with eldars out of necessity. problem is as all elves fags will betray you at first opportunity.

Having a short allience for a few missions is one thing. Staying out of each other ways and having diplomacy is different. Also don't know how much canon are the game.

nigger, imperium is millions of worlds and thousands of wars at all times. there is no such thing as ally to all imperium. you can fight together with some eldars against tyranids and on another world killing each other.

Why not ??? Why can't humans just get their shit together and go arse rape some retards with their armies??? They are in constant stagnation where nothing happens lol. All those millions of worlds and there is not single chap that could invent a new gun ?!?!?!?! lol the whole lore is retarded in that aspect. And that is there because it is table top game. There is a need for a warhammer 50k where the emperor is revived and goes on some arse raping jihad lol. Also all that grimdark shit gets boring,because it lacks contrast. If everything is grimdark then everything is normal in a way.

Thats pretty much what happened in the new books and stuff. Like Guilliman was revived by the Mechanicum and Eldar after 10k years being mostly dead, got declared Regent of the imperium or something and launched a crusade to reclaim lost planets, warp rift split the imperium in two and everybody(?) got new tech. https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Roboute_Guilliman

The new space marines seem kinda gay though imo, like these dudes with jump packs and double bolters when the old marines only needed a chainsword and bolt pistol. Or there is this squad all armed with plasma weapons which were supposed to be a scarce ancient technology before the new lore.

The game probably takes place after these events because the eldar are called aeldari like in new lore.

 

[Harthwain]

Not really. I am arguing against boring terrible writing. If you want a counter example, take SWTOR. I liked playing a Light Side Inquisitor there. Now did that entail that I was a goody two shoes who was sniffing daisies like Ferdinand the bull? No, he was just more subtle and manipulative, not murdering everything at the drop of the hat "CUZ I CANZ!". There can be more to racism and evil than "HURR DURR KILL YUZ!".

From what I have seen you have more moderate options as well. Which makes sense, with you being a Rogue Trader. An inquisitor is another position where I can see you having such leeway.

I mean, murdering everything at the drop of the hat is something you OUGHT to expect from a Warhammer 40,000, so it is only natural for the option for that to be there. In fact, most games in the universe go for a straight up loyalist approach, with only some "I will work with you instead of murdering you, xeno scum, because that's the only way to fight off Chaos", because anything else could be considered heretical in the eyes of the Imperium and its representatives (depending on their approach). Alliances are temporary and xeno trade is considered a grey area at best (meaning the local lord tolerates it) or outright outlawed (which is Imperium's official stance. Which is kind of funny, considering the first thing an inquisitor's aide does is hand to you a xenos artifact. But Warhammer 40,000 is contradictory like that, which mirrors life to some degree).

By the way, in SW:TOR you also had "HURR DURR KILL YUX!" staple options for the Sith Warrior. Bounty Hunter and Imperial Agents were both more nuanced in their options, which - again - is natural for these classes.

 

[Reinhardt]

there are only few xeno races you can live long enough to even start talking, most of the time you will be already ded before you attempt it.

 

[Storyfag]

There is a need for a warhammer 50k where the emperor is revived and goes on some arse raping jihad lol.

Things seem to be heading that way.

Also all that grimdark shit gets boring,because it lacks contrast. If everything is grimdark then everything is normal in a way.

This point has some merit.

Warhammer Fantasy had an uber grimdark

Spoiler

conclusion

and IIRC, most of the fanbase hated it.

Or they hated Age of Sigmar. That probably didn't help.

We hated both. Fantasy has always been much more light hearted than 40k, and AoS is too reminiscent of 40k to be of any interest, seeing as how it is an ultimately inferior copy.

 

[Storyfag]

The first thing the Emperor would purge is the retarded cult around him. The Emperor literally went on a religious purge when he was alive and well in an attempt to stamp out religion. He would be disgusted that the Imperial cults would worship him as a god.

Negro, He has since learned to know better. As belief is ultimately impossible to stamp out, it is much better to harness it.

 

[BrotherFrank]

Storyfag ain’t wrong, if the Emperor was still against religion he wouldn’t be blessing the sisters of battle with divine abilities and faith wouldn’t be a genuinely effective tool against chaos.

And it’s not like he hasn’t had the chance to set the record straight even as a corpse.

 

[lightbane]

Why not ??? Why can't humans just get their shit together and go arse rape some retards with their armies??? They are in constant stagnation where nothing happens lol. All those millions of worlds and there is not single chap that could invent a new gun ?!?!?!?!

Because in the grim universe of WH40k, there's only marketing strategy, and we can't have that with advancing lore...

Except when they do which is currently happening right now.

There is a need for a warhammer 50k where the emperor is revived and goes on some arse raping jihad lol.

There's that fanfic where this happens. Or the other where Emprah dies and everything gets even darker.

nigger, even in games humies were allied with eldars out of necessity. problem is as all elves fags will betray you at first opportunity.

Are you against allying with Dwarfs in WH fantasy(not 40k)?

Speaking of, Vottan are perfectly capable of allying with the Imperium and vice-versa.
As for inventing new stuff, it happens somewhat frequently. You just have to wait 1d100 years for the local Mechanicus Council to approve your invention, or happen to stumble upon a totally functional STC machine that didn't exist before that "legalizes" your creation.
Also, the Mechanicus hoards stuff that gets close to Star Trek levels of hyper-tech. See the Mechanicus game for their fancy toys capable of competing with Necrons.

Storyfag ain’t wrong, if the Emperor was still against religion he wouldn’t be blessing the sisters of battle with divine abilities and faith wouldn’t be a genuinely effective tool against chaos.

And it’s not like he hasn’t had the chance to set the record straight even as a corpse.

There was that rumor that a Chaos God was doing that for reasons, but I think the Emprah had a change of heart as you guys said and realized he had limited options.

 

[Storyfag]

Speaking of, Vottan are perfectly capable of allying with the Imperium and vice-versa.

That is only because the Imperium considers them (rightly!) to be abhumans.

 

[Parsimonious cook]

Shiiiiiiiiiit nigga this Alpha survey sure is long, I spent like an hour filling it out already.

I shall press on for the Emperor.

 

[rusty_shackleford]

dorfs are bros.

They're also jews.

 

[Reinhardt]

dorfs are bros.

They're also jews.

nah, dorfs love work. have you ever seen joo working?

 

[Camel]

nah, dorfs love work. have you ever seen joo working?

I've seen a Jew janitor working in an Israeli airport. Israel is the only country where you can see the Jews doing a menial work.

 

[razvedchiki]

colony mechanics from alpha
https://www.reddit.com/r/RogueTrade...gue_trader_closed_alpha_feedback_and_support/
you get unique weapons/ship upgrades/ abilities from them.

 

[Tyranicon]

I'm honestly surprised GW hasn't just commissioned one of those desktop simulator bros to recreate their game digitally.

All you would need are the models and table environments. They could still make people buy the rule books but online, a la Wizards of the Coast.

 

[NecroLord]

dorfs are bros.

They're also jews.

No. That would be gnomes.

 

[Parsimonious cook]

I'm honestly surprised GW hasn't just commissioned one of those desktop simulator bros to recreate their game digitally.

All you would need are the models and table environments. They could still make people buy the rule books but online, a la Wizards of the Coast.

Yeah, GW has always been obsessed with the fear that vidya will somehow destroy the market for minis. IMO its completely misplaced, since the amount of people who are into building and painting miniatures AND also want to play with them will always be relatively low and its not like actual hobbyists will drop what they like for vidya version. On the other hand porting the table top system directly to digital version would be another source of revenue (hell, they could even sell "digital minis" or whatever) and would probably even get some people into the real thing...

 

[NecroLord]

 

[BrotherFrank]

I'm honestly surprised GW hasn't just commissioned one of those desktop simulator bros to recreate their game digitally.

All you would need are the models and table environments. They could still make people buy the rule books but online, a la Wizards of the Coast.

Yeah, GW has always been obsessed with the fear that vidya will somehow destroy the market for minis. IMO its completely misplaced, since the amount of people who are into building and painting miniatures AND also want to play with them will always be relatively low and its not like actual hobbyists will drop what they like for vidya version. On the other hand porting the table top system directly to digital version would be another source of revenue (hell, they could even sell "digital minis" or whatever) and would probably even get some people into the real thing...

No their fear is valid, this will give power back to the players and nothing terrifies GW more then that.

Because the first thing problematic fuckers like me would do is laugh at the idea of playing the current rules set (bloated mess of ugly clunky rules that allows for little customization of your armies compared to older editions and despite a sea of strategems, everyone just takes the same ones every time, also special characters ain't special anymore because they are considered core to their army lists instead of being flavorful additions that usually weren't that optimal) and make mods to play a previous edition (3e is my sweetspot but any that ain't the current one is fine imo), say fuck you to "official" 40k modern minis (juan diaz daemonettes are back baby! aswell as non fugly repentias and wyches in bikini armor) which will threaten GW's "core values".

Finally their primary business strat of selling 9943583984598534 overpriced space marine mini variants would not thrive under these conditions, people might actually play obscure armies again!

 

[rusty_shackleford]

the overlap between people who are dumb enough to spend tens of thousands of dollars on tiny pieces of plastic and people who pirate play video games is probably rather tiny

 

[CthuluIsSpy]

I'm honestly surprised GW hasn't just commissioned one of those desktop simulator bros to recreate their game digitally.

All you would need are the models and table environments. They could still make people buy the rule books but online, a la Wizards of the Coast.

Yeah, GW has always been obsessed with the fear that vidya will somehow destroy the market for minis. IMO its completely misplaced, since the amount of people who are into building and painting miniatures AND also want to play with them will always be relatively low and its not like actual hobbyists will drop what they like for vidya version. On the other hand porting the table top system directly to digital version would be another source of revenue (hell, they could even sell "digital minis" or whatever) and would probably even get some people into the real thing...

No their fear is valid, this will give power back to the players and nothing terrifies GW more then that.

Because the first thing problematic fuckers like me would do is laugh at the idea of playing the current rules set (bloated mess of ugly clunky rules that allows for little customization of your armies compared to older editions and despite a sea of strategems, everyone just takes the same ones every time, also special characters ain't special anymore because they are considered core to their army lists instead of being flavorful additions that usually weren't that optimal) and make mods to play a previous edition (3e is my sweetspot but any that ain't the current one is fine imo), say fuck you to "official" 40k modern minis (juan diaz daemonettes are back baby! aswell as non fugly repentias and wyches in bikini armor) which will threaten GW's "core values".

Finally their primary business strat of selling 9943583984598534 overpriced space marine mini variants would not thrive under these conditions, people might actually play obscure armies again!

Not to mention free rules, instead of forking over 50 bucks for a thin book of mostly pictures, terrible formatting and fluff, which is rendered obsolete in less than a month after it gets errata'd.
Even without Errata codices have a life span of what, 2 years now?
'
Fuck GW's business model


It doesn't help that they have a de-facto monopoly over table top wargaming, after Privateer Press shit the bed and apparently Legions is dead. Which means that "hobbyists" keep giving the gits money.

 

[gerey]

the overlap between people who are dumb enough to spend tens of thousands of dollars on tiny pieces of plastic and people who pirate play video games is probably rather tiny

Are you saying the Paradox fanbase is somehow better than the GW paypigs?

 

[Koolz]

Watching Void ship play again ...Damn that ambiance does not create horror or tension.

Should have had a bang as some distorted bell an octave lower or something then men's choir on top. Add the sopranos little later and louder. Something to create the mood. Still love what they have done so far really feels Warhammer!

You could slam a Distorted bell an octave lower then cut the tail end of the decay and send it through delays to create nice Horror ambiance then throw some choir on top for more tension.

Or take the bell hit and send with through Granular FX....because of all the other sounds probably have to cut it at 120 and dip it around 400.


arrg so frustrating!