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Warhammer Warhammer 40,000: Rogue Trader Pre-Release Thread [GAME RELEASED, GO TO NEW THREAD]

Tyranicon

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All they need to do is get better writers
From the few bits I've seen (which admittedly is not much) it looks like they may have gotten some native English speakers on board this time at the very least. Looks a lot less wordy and stilted compared to Wrathfinder. 40k has a very specific type of writing and GW would want to make sure the brand is represented accurately. After all, these tie in games are little more than advertisements for GW's actual products, the miniatures.

Ever notice how basically all 40k games put a disproportionate emphasis on visuals, atmosphere etc. and how gameplay usually suffers as a consequence? This is no accident. GW suits are in the devs' ear. Somewhat worrying news for Rogue Trader but Owlcat has a proven track record of making good stuff as opposed to other GW collaborators, like Fatshark who are a shit dev that has released nothing but mayfly after mayfly.

I have no idea how Fatshark manages to score a whiff when the bones of Darktide are so well done.

Stuff like progression and cosmetics are the easy shit. Actual moment to moment gameplay is difficult.

They had a diamond but threw it in shit.
 

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I was reminded today that Wrathfinder lost Codex GOTY to a mod for a 20-year-old game.

But it did come in 2nd. If that gives any idea about this site's tastes.

I think this was before the requirement that only allowed codex registered members to vote though.

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Archolos is a better game than Wrathfinder and I say this as an Owlcat fan
I never even heard of this game before this post here. Did anyone really play that here or was it just bots voting?!
 

Desiderius

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Insert Title Here Pathfinder: Wrath
If I didn't already bet my account on Erdoğan getting reelected I would bet my account on Rogue Trader being fucking great.

Owlcat keep improving. Kingmaker was about BG1 levels of quality, while Wrathfinder surpassed any other crpg that has come before it with the exception of PST. Yeah they were buggy at launch but so was New Vegas and now that the bugs have been fixed no one gives a rat's ass. I don't hold up much hope for this iteration's kingdom management but at worst Kangz' and Wrath's management mini games are largely inoffensive and don't actually detract from the experience as the haters would have you believe.
PS:T is an odd standard to aim for because what made it great was largely the writing/characters, and not the standard RPG mechanics.

Then again, the writing/characters is what Owlcat games are lacking. I would say they did a fairly okay job at adapting Pathfinder tabletop mechanics.

All they need to do is get better writers, characters that aren't stupid or nonsensical (Wrath was even worse at this than Kingmaker, were those tabletop legacy characters again? Goddamn Paizo, wtf), and add an option to ignore management mechanics without missing out on critical content.

There you go, slam dunk 10/10, game of the decade.
To give them credit, they DID make the writing of their game (their Wrath) much, MUCH better than the writing of the tabletop Wrath (you think Iomadae was bad in the game? Oh boy howdy.....)

I never really got why Wrath was so popular. It was always one of Paizo's worst.

Because people are so desperate for a traditional Western heroic setting they'll settle for a crappy version.
 

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I was reminded today that Wrathfinder lost Codex GOTY to a mod for a 20-year-old game.

But it did come in 2nd. If that gives any idea about this site's tastes.

I think this was before the requirement that only allowed codex registered members to vote though.

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Archolos is a better game than Wrathfinder and I say this as an Owlcat fan
I never even heard of this game before this post here. Did anyone really play that here or was it just bots voting?!
It's that mod, people were talking it up hard before and after it came out.
 

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Pathfinder: Wrath
I never even heard of this game before this post here. Did anyone really play that here or was it just bots voting?!
It's that mod, people were talking it up hard before and after it came out.
It's also free.
And given the cult status Gothic 2 has here, it was perfect for scratching the nostalgy itch.
Objectively though, it coming up as the best RPG of 2021 is about the same counting fluctuation as that elf-fucking shit being top 5 today.
 

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I never even heard of this game before this post here. Did anyone really play that here or was it just bots voting?!
Archolos was a Polish mod, Poles tend to be Gothic superfans, and this group makes up the second biggest plurality on the Codex.
 

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I never even heard of this game before this post here. Did anyone really play that here or was it just bots voting?!
Archolos was a Polish mod, Poles tend to be Gothic superfans, and this group makes up the second biggest plurality on the Codex.
We're many. But yeah Gothic was big back in the days. Both in Germany and Poland.
With good reason as well. Maybe the animation were wooden. But it had great atmosphere and it did have great dub.
 

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If I didn't already bet my account on Erdoğan getting reelected I would bet my account on Rogue Trader being fucking great.

Owlcat keep improving. Kingmaker was about BG1 levels of quality, while Wrathfinder surpassed any other crpg that has come before it with the exception of PST. Yeah they were buggy at launch but so was New Vegas and now that the bugs have been fixed no one gives a rat's ass. I don't hold up much hope for this iteration's kingdom management but at worst Kangz' and Wrath's management mini games are largely inoffensive and don't actually detract from the experience as the haters would have you believe.
PS:T is an odd standard to aim for because what made it great was largely the writing/characters, and not the standard RPG mechanics.

Then again, the writing/characters is what Owlcat games are lacking. I would say they did a fairly okay job at adapting Pathfinder tabletop mechanics.

All they need to do is get better writers, characters that aren't stupid or nonsensical (Wrath was even worse at this than Kingmaker, were those tabletop legacy characters again? Goddamn Paizo, wtf), and add an option to ignore management mechanics without missing out on critical content.

There you go, slam dunk 10/10, game of the decade.

If the writing of P:T is 10/10 then Kingmaker writing is at least 7/10 while WOTR writing is 8/10. Something like Baldur's Gate 2 is probably 7.5/10 while that of D:OS2 is probably 6/10. So Owlcat's writing is fine enough.
 

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At this point I think owlcat is choosing projects just based on if they are able to add a mediocre overworld management component. If they wanted to do a 40k rpg they could have gone a myriad of routes, but they picked rogue trader

These fuckers should either stick with making a proper rpg or move on to strategy games.
 

Joyvankek

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Look, I'm not an Owlcat hater and Rogue Trader is shaping up to be pretty good. But there's an entire 50 page thread dedicated to how cringe Wrathfinder is: https://rpgcodex.net/forums/threads/wrath-of-the-cringefinder-compilation-thread.140072/
I've seen worse, and game itself is pretty enjoyable.
But yeah, I won't defend their woke politic, or shitty characters like that lesbo advisor.
Not to mention that the 4 most powerful characters are whymyn. But at least I didn't cringe everytime I interacted with them. And you can tell every single one of them to fuck off. So that's a bonus.
 

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My team has the sexiest and deadliest waifus you can recruit.
I think the most popular character outside of the Codex is Daeran, but mainly because he has a "pretty" profile pic and seems open to fuck anything that moves. Not sure I see that as a win.
 

Tyranicon

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Not to mention that the 4 most powerful characters are whymyn.
Arguably the biggest fan favourite companion is an auth-right white male. Figure that one out.
Who? Also define alt-right, since that can be anything from national socialism, neo-marxism all the way to anarcho-capitalism.
Authoritarian right, which is pretty different from alt-right, depending on perspective. I'm assuming the character in question is Regill.

Who, yes is based, but only on the merit of all the other companions being very unlikable.
 

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I think the most popular character outside of the Codex is Daeran, but mainly because he has a "pretty" profile pic and seems open to fuck anything that moves. Not sure I see that as a win.
He's actually a degenerate corrupted noble, who's a dick and likes to piss off the queen grandma. I can stomach him, since his character arc fits and don't feel like he's just forced alphabet.
I like what you can do with queen as a lich, fitting end for her.

Authoritarian right, which is pretty different from alt-right, depending on perspective. I'm assuming the character in question is Regill.

Who, yes is based, but only on the merit of all the other companions being very unlikable.
Authoritarian(Rule from authority, like king(monarchy), general or other autocrat, which is type of governmental structure, like democracy, republic etc. both can be libertarian or totalitarian) right, is normal right.
Unless you use new-speak version of authoritarian which basically means totalitarian.
Totalitarianism is domain of the left wing, or "alt-right" used by them to hide that uncomfortable(for them) truth, example of such were III Reich/Germany(National Socialism) and USSR(communism and socialism)

Regill is lawful, and all for order and discipline, to the extreme, so yeah I agree that he's based, and one of the better characters you have at your disposal. Not sure if ideology of the Hellknights is that of fascism, where they want everything under their rule like the fascist from Italy, nazis from Germany or commies from USSR wanted. Especially since the listed ideologies always had people above their own laws, like their elites.
Hellknights seem to apply their own rules to themselves as well. Which set them above the already mentioned.
I would say they want to have discipline and order at all cost, no matter what drastic methods need to be used to achieve said order.
But I have never read deeper into their lore, so I'm basing it on what I remember from the game.
Also Regil is a gnome, not human... so white male? Hmmmm.
 
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Desiderius

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Insert Title Here Pathfinder: Wrath

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Not to mention that the 4 most powerful characters are whymyn.
Arguably the biggest fan favourite companion is an auth-right white male. Figure that one out.
Who? Also define alt-right, since that can be anything from national socialism, neo-marxism all the way to anarcho-capitalism.
I'm assuming the character in question is Regill.

Who, yes is based, but only on the merit of all the other companions being very unlikable.

He's based straight-up.

True authority is based in authorship broadly understood. He's authored the survival of his men (and before that victories in battle) so he's earned the authority he enjoys.

Only downside of Regill is that they didn't bother to work much evil into his character (and Owlcat has shown the capacity to paint some compelling pictures of evil in other characters). He's written far more LN (with a decent amount of LG) than LE.

Authoritarian right, which is pretty different from alt-right

At least in the Western context alt-right is usually pretty close to authoritarian right because the glibertarian right it serves as an alternative to is absurdly anti-authoritarian, to their own detriment.
 

Tyranicon

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Oh yeah, are there custom companions planned for Rogue Trader? Please let us form a custom party from the start or close. I don't want to have to spend any more time than I have to with Owlcat's companions, since I have no faith they'll be better this time around.

Like, having your own squad of SoBs, or veteran guardsmen, or mercs are going to be way better than uWu quirky characters.

I looked through Wrathfinder's companion list and threw up in my mouth a bit.
 

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Strap Yourselves In Serpent in the Staglands Shadorwun: Hong Kong Pillars of Eternity 2: Deadfire Steve gets a Kidney but I don't even get a tag. Pathfinder: Wrath I'm very into cock and ball torture I helped put crap in Monomyth

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