Warhammer Warhammer 40,000: Rogue Trader Pre-Release Thread [GAME RELEASED, GO TO NEW THREAD]

[Heroic Liberator]

It's almost like this is hinted at somewhere...

Spoiler

In the grim darkness of the far future, there is only war. / In the grim darkness of the 41st millennium, there is only war.

There is only war, but not everyone is affected equally by it.

 

[mediocrepoet]

It's almost like this is hinted at somewhere...

Spoiler

In the grim darkness of the far future, there is only war. / In the grim darkness of the 41st millennium, there is only war.

There is only war, but not everyone is affected equally by it.

True, I just think that you're looking for a deeper, nuanced perspective in a setting that often doesn't go for that. They made a mishmash of stuff blowing eachother up with stuff that would make cool art and minis to sell.

 

[Lim-Dûl]

Every time they make a WH40K game it sucks. What makes it different this time? Just make a Metabarons game instead.

 

[Heroic Liberator]

True, I just think that you're looking for a deeper, nuanced perspective in a setting that often doesn't go for that. They made a mishmash of stuff blowing eachother up with stuff that would make cool art and minis to sell.

Often doesn't go for that, but nevertheless exists as part of the broader lore. It's just not something that's worth focusing on monetarily when your main product is a wargame.

 

[Humbaba]

On a large scale, sure. But there are plenty of worlds where life goes on as usual, with the Imperium only exercising formal authority over the planet and the latter's leadership only having to send a tithe at most while governing as they please. And these planets in turn can be differentiated by level of technological development, type of governance and so on.

1. Define "as usual"

2. The Imperium does not need to exercise authority over anything in order for it to be horrible. In fact, the Imperium lost contact to anything beyond the Cicatrix Maledictum and held very little sway over most of the billions of its worlds even before that.

3. "governing as they please" i.e. governing as absolutist despots with the individual possessing no rights whatsoever beyond its use for the imperial war machine.

 

[Sarathiour]

It's well known that Gw tend to fuck up woman mini, but this especially bad

Most of the Sisters look like that. If you want pretty waifus, watch anime.

It's not about making them pretty, it's the usual conundrum of face ratio for the size of mini. You can't put too much detail on the face for a question of scale, so hyper expressive expression on a human size tend to look like an atrocious blob, even with a skilled painter. It can work with an ork or nid because of their larger and streamlined facial feature, not so well on human, and espcially woman.
Anyway, to get back to the point, and under your own admission, it's mostly high ranking sister that wear coat. Why would she serve under a rogue trader ?

 

[gerey]

Yeah, "sisters".

 

[Spectacle]

Anyway, to get back to the point, and under your own admission, it's mostly high ranking sister that wear coat. Why would she serve under a rogue trader ?

Because a neophyte sister wouldn't be trusted with such an assignment that's likely to expose her to xenos and heresy.

 

[Peachcurl]

Guys, if you make this thread about communism, I'm going to report to the inquisition.

 

[Roguey]

Otoh, if they get the guy who wrote Regill to be leader writer, their depiction of the Imperium will likely be spot on.

Nika Alborti wrote Regill though Alexander Mishulin came up with the concept.

 

[Humbaba]

It's not about making them pretty, it's the usual conundrum of face ratio for the size of mini. You can't put too much detail on the face for a question of scale, so hyper expressive expression on a human size tend to look like an atrocious blob, even with a skilled painter.

Nope, really good painters paint really good faces

Anyway, to get back to the point, and under your own admission, it's mostly high ranking sister that wear coat. Why would she serve under a rogue trader ?

1. I said "higher" ranking sisters, not high ranking, this is a big difference. While the one in the picture is a Cannoness, which is a very high rank, the one with the whip is only a Repentia Superior, which is a relatively low-ranking squad leader but still of a "higher" rank of the regular SoB.

2. We don't know if the Sister companion is one such higher ranking individual and I wasn't making that point either, though assuming lore-accuracy, she does not look like a foot soldier. I wanted to point out that those types of coats have always existed and that it's not le evul sjws over at Owclat covering up lewd booba.

3. I'm not familiar with the Rogue Trader RPG but I am certain there's loads of reasons for a Sister sergeant or some such to take part in an expedition or whatever it is. It would be unlikelier for a dime a dozen grunt to become part of a rogue trader's retinue if you ask me.

EDIT: Or as Spectacle put it

Because a neophyte sister wouldn't be trusted with such an assignment that's likely to expose her to xenos and heresy.

 

[Fedora Master]

I dunno man iv played a lot of Warhammer franchise games as well as the tabletop and I can't remember any narratives about townsfolk going about their lives or something similar. It's pretty much all death all the time.

Maybe that stuff is in the books for the hyperdorks to read but I'm not aware of it and I doubt the vast majority of people familiar with 40k are either.

Ignore the queers, they're full of shit.

40k humanity is an amorphous blob little better than the tyranid living in a mega socialist, Ingsoc, war communist hell where you work your quota and then you die.

It is to live in the cruellest, most brutal regime imaginable. For there is no peace amongst the stars, and whatever happens you will not be missed.

As for the old colourful art, Blanche had an appreciation for the medieval illuminations. That's why with the boxarts everything was so resplendent and larger than life. Replace Angels and God with tanks and titans.

The Imperium is not culturally homogeneous. People can be born on garden worlds and live out their lives peacefully. It just doesn't make for particularly interesting stories. The Eisenhorn books touch on this.

 

[Dodo1610]

am a bit skeptical though. The system was not great for buildporn in general, and RT was especially barebones (no multiclassing, no prestige classes and iirc options within the classes were pretty limited as well except for maybe spellcasters).

That sounds like an improvement compared to the bloat in their previous games imho.

 

[Humbaba]

Yeah, "sisters".

Watch anime, coomer.

 

[Heroic Liberator]

1. Define "as usual"

2. The Imperium does not need to exercise authority over anything in order for it to be horrible. In fact, the Imperium lost contact to anything beyond the Cicatrix Maledictum and held very little sway over most of the billions of its worlds even before that.

3. "governing as they please" i.e. governing as absolutist despots with the individual possessing no rights whatsoever beyond its use for the imperial war machine.

1. Planets whose societies are not being affected by the broader war efforts of the Imperium.
2. Agreed, there are self-governing worlds with no imperial input over their internal affairs.
3. They can be tyrannical, sure. But it is illogical to claim that there cannot be any other types of worlds in lack of some lore reason stating as much.

So bro, if you want to be contrarian for its own sake and refuse to acknowledge that the lore of the setting is broader than just the parts which generally tend to be in the narrative spotlight of various GW products, that's your prerogative. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

There are worlds without direct imperial interference and these worlds may very well not be tyrannical. Just so happens that such places are not as useful as a narrative device as some dystopian hellhole for the purposes of codex fluff or Black Library dramas.

 

[Humbaba]

1. Planets whose societies are not being affected by the broader war efforts of the Imperium.
2. Agreed, there are self-governing worlds with no imperial input over their internal affairs.
3. They can be tyrannical, sure. But it is illogical to claim that there cannot be any other types of worlds in lack of some lore reason stating as much.

So bro, if you want to be contrarian for its own sake and refuse to acknowledge that the lore of the setting is broader than just the parts which generally tend to be in the narrative spotlight of various GW products, that's your prerogative. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

There are worlds without direct imperial interference and these worlds may very well not be tyrannical. Just so happens that such places are not as useful as a narrative device as some dystopian hellhole for the purposes of codex fluff or Black Library dramas.

You speak in "can"s and "could"s and "may"s but I'm the one being a contrarian, sure.

 

[Humbaba]

am a bit skeptical though. The system was not great for buildporn in general, and RT was especially barebones (no multiclassing, no prestige classes and iirc options within the classes were pretty limited as well except for maybe spellcasters).

That sounds like an improvement compared to the bloat in their previous games imho.

Skimming through the rule book and I find weapon mods and such, maybe that's where some build porn will come in.

 

[mediocrepoet]

am a bit skeptical though. The system was not great for buildporn in general, and RT was especially barebones (no multiclassing, no prestige classes and iirc options within the classes were pretty limited as well except for maybe spellcasters).

That sounds like an improvement compared to the bloat in their previous games imho.

Skimming through the rule book and I find weapon mods and such, maybe that's where some build porn will come in.

Since they said they're modifying it, but the framework is generally classless, you could possibly pick out various abilities a la carte to customize a character, say to build out a psyker or gunslinger or smooth talker, etc.

 

[fizzelopeguss]

Imagine being such a lorelet. Not every imperial world is ravaged by war nor is every imperial world at peace some shitty hive world.

Imagine actually pretending to be interested in the life of a farmer on an agri backwater, in a setting where humanity is ruled by a corpse and the heroes are all psychotic killing machines.

EVERY PLANET IN THE IMPERIUM IS MEAT FOR THE MACHINE.

THERE IS NO 'PEACE', THERE IS ONLY WAR.

Pretty much, yeah.

The Horus Heresy has been a complete shitshow, destroy what little good lore there had been left.

Can't even blame GW for this one, blame squarely falls on the bitch titted consooomers with zero self control that always want moar! I was such a sad bastard I used to argue against these clowns on the old forum before it war renamed to Warseer.

The Heresy had no business being elaborated on because by it's very nature it's steeped in mysticism, myth and lost history. I.e, the entire anchor of what the setting is since it's original release.

Now we've got dogshit like the primarchs apparently being fucking fragments of the emperors personality? what in the fuck is that?

There is only war, but not everyone is affected equally by it.

SQUAD BROKEN.

What a catchphrase for your modern 40k.

'In the grim darkness of the far future there is only war, but not everyone is affected equally by it.'

Jesus wept. You truly are a commie.

 

[Heroic Liberator]

Imagine actually pretending to be interested in the life of a farmer on an agri backwater, in a setting where humanity is ruled by a corpse and the heroes are all psychotic killing machines.

Not being interested in it doesn't mean that it doesn't exist within the setting.

 

[Fedora Master]

Codex proves once again it knows jack about shit when it comes to actual nerd hobbies.

 

[mediocrepoet]

'In the grim darkness of the far future there is only war, but not everyone is affected equally by it.'

I want this on a box or book somewhere.

 

[mediocrepoet]

Codex proves once again it knows jack about shit when it comes to actual nerd hobbies.

In the grim darkness of the far future, Fedora was still a sandy vagina.

 

[Heroic Liberator]

plz no bully Fedora Master

 

[gerey]

Now we've got dogshit like the primarchs apparently being fucking fragments of the emperors personality? what in the fuck is that?

Oh, that's not even the worst part of it.

HH writers lack the talent to write adult characters, so all Primarchs come across as petulant children whining because daddy gave them a spanking.

Then there's Fabious Bile that can apparently clone Primarchs with ease, which begs the question why the Emperor didn't just clone himself an army of Primarchs instead of bothering with Space Marines.

Oh, but wait, the Emperor didn't create the Space Marines, it was the feminist moon cunts and a stronk womyn scientist called Astarte.

And he apparently didn't even create the Primarchs, but he "stole" something from the Chaos Gods after reneging on a deal they made.

I dare you to try to read the first book of the Solar War - try to count how many people in authority that aren't Primarchs or Space Marines are men.