Warhammer Warhammer 40,000: Rogue Trader - turn-based Warhammer 40k RPG from Owlcat Games - now with Void Shadows DLC

[Harthwain]

Turning a loyal servant of the Imperium into a servitor because of a bureaucratic technicality is asinine stupidity. It shouldn't even be a Dogmatic option, Dogmatic options should be what they generally are in the rest of the game, the good of the whole outweighing the good of the individual.

The point of Dogmatic is to... be Dogmatic. Which sometimes leads to stupid decisions. The Imperium of Man is supposed to be very inefficient. This is one of the reasons why it can't bring down all of its might on its enemies.

 

[InD_ImaginE]

yeah Dogmatic exemplifies the Lawful stupid-ness of IoM. Sometimes it can be good, sometimes it can be retarded.

Heretic is Heretic, the way it is written in this game is full retardation comical evil.

Not sure if this game ever punish Iconoclast playthrough. I know that not doing what Henrik suggested in the prologue get you a perma-debuff.

 

[Space Satan]

This game is awesome in explaining how "let's all be democratic, progressive and respect human rights" approach actually works in Wahrammer 40k and it led to some magnificent zoomer meltdowns on steam page where theyraged that their "good, democratic actions" led toliterally every space horror exploiting them in one way or another and that their "good" actions in dialogues and choices are not rewarded by default.

 

[Yosharian]

This game is awesome in explaining how "let's all be democratic, progressive and respect human rights" approach actually works in Wahrammer 40k and it led to some magnificent zoomer meltdowns on steam page where theyraged that their "good, democratic actions" led toliterally every space horror exploiting them in one way or another and that their "good" actions in dialogues and choices are not rewarded by default.

Post them for our amusement

 

[ArchAngel]

yeah Dogmatic exemplifies the Lawful stupid-ness of IoM. Sometimes it can be good, sometimes it can be retarded.

Heretic is Heretic, the way it is written in this game is full retardation comical evil.

Not sure if this game ever punish Iconoclast playthrough. I know that not doing what Henrik suggested in the prologue get you a perma-debuff.

Well Heretic are like that in source material as well. At best you will get a bit of power or freedom before being sacrificed for the goals to those above you or you will just be sacrificed.
IoM works similar but you might live longer. Do you prefer to die of exhaustion in some mine or being sacrificed to summon some demon.

 

[ArchAngel]

Turning a loyal servant of the Imperium into a servitor because of a bureaucratic technicality is asinine stupidity. It shouldn't even be a Dogmatic option, Dogmatic options should be what they generally are in the rest of the game, the good of the whole outweighing the good of the individual.

The point of Dogmatic is to... be Dogmatic. Which sometimes leads to stupid decisions. The Imperium of Man is supposed to be very inefficient. This is one of the reasons why it can't bring down all of its might on its enemies.

Main reason it cannot win is because there too many enemies and most have ways to fuck with IoM space travel.
There is a reason why Emperor was trying to crack Elder Waygates technology before he "died"

 

[Harthwain]

Main reason it cannot win is because there too many enemies and most have ways to fuck with IoM space travel.
There is a reason why Emperor was trying to crack Elder Waygates technology before he "died"

Well, I did say it was "one of the reasons", not the only reason or even the main one, because this is a very layered subject.

 

[InD_ImaginE]

yeah Dogmatic exemplifies the Lawful stupid-ness of IoM. Sometimes it can be good, sometimes it can be retarded.

Heretic is Heretic, the way it is written in this game is full retardation comical evil.

Not sure if this game ever punish Iconoclast playthrough. I know that not doing what Henrik suggested in the prologue get you a perma-debuff.

Well Heretic are like that in source material as well. At best you will get a bit of power or freedom before being sacrificed for the goals to those above you or you will just be sacrificed.
IoM works similar but you might live longer. Do you prefer to die of exhaustion in some mine or being sacrificed to summon some demon.

The problem is that there is no rhyme or reason for you to fall except "Hue hue huie I am evil" which is terrible. They kinda have that in main plot choices related to shard thing but most of other choice doesn't make sense for early game.

I've pointed this out but Dawn of War 2 CR did this "fall into Chaos" much more sensibly.

 

[Dishonoredbr]

Not sure if this game ever punish Iconoclast playthrough

You get a few in the base games , but mostly minor debuffs. They actually made harsher punishments in the dlc for being iconoclast.

 

[Space Satan]

This game is awesome in explaining how "let's all be democratic, progressive and respect human rights" approach actually works in Wahrammer 40k and it led to some magnificent zoomer meltdowns on steam page where theyraged that their "good, democratic actions" led toliterally every space horror exploiting them in one way or another and that their "good" actions in dialogues and choices are not rewarded by default.

Post them for our amusement

That ws about a year ago, search it yourself, most of such threads are locked

Main reason it cannot win is because there too many enemies and most have ways to fuck with IoM space travel.

Imperium is a huge RNG with its own ways to fuck everyone around. Starting from random fleets not only disappearing during warp travel but also appearing out of nowhere. IoM enemies always live with a chance of some crusade, lost a thousand years ago, appearing our of nowhere. Or STC with random dark age shit, like star schredders and eldar-targeted bio weapons.
Let's not forget about mechanicus and their hidden stuff. In recent lore about Necron civil war start Szarech and Cawl decided to loosen restrains on their subordinates to have a bit of tactical freedom and everyone instantly unleased stashed megaweapons, necron-liquifying mechanicus experiments, biomass purging necron experiments and other planets and system-fucking science. And Szarech and Cawl instantly gone "Oh fuck, oh shit, guys,it was just a prank, stop everyone" but at that time evryone started using warp-related megaweapons and reality rippeв to spill chaos on top on necron power struggle and mechanicus war.

 

[CthuluIsSpy]

Let's not forget about mechanicus and their hidden stuff. In recent lore about Necron civil war start Szarech and Cawl decided to loosen restrains on their subordinates to have a bit of tactical freedom and everyone instantly unleased stashed megaweapons, necron-liquifying mechanicus experiments, biomass purging necron experiments and other planets and system-fucking science. And Szarech and Cawl instantly gone "Oh fuck, oh shit, guys,it was just a prank, stop everyone" but at that time evryone started using warp-related megaweapons and reality rippeв to spill chaos on top on necron power struggle and mechanicus war.

Where's that from? That sounds hilarious.

 

[SpaceWizardz]

You can count on one hand the number of times Icon decisions have any blowback and only one Killing Xavier w/out Nomos has an appropriately severe consequence that can't be immediately rectified.
What Icon choices do consistently provide is "erm.. space book says this bad though!!" type one-line responses from most crew and supporting characters, even such minimal and purely cosmetic consequence is considered an extreme punishment thanks to decades of immiseration with DnD-influenced fantasyslop writing.

 

[CthuluIsSpy]

How does it fare compared to the Pathfinder games anyway? Is the combat system decent at least, or is it also a 10 minute buff fest?

 

[Space Satan]

Let's not forget about mechanicus and their hidden stuff. In recent lore about Necron civil war start Szarech and Cawl decided to loosen restrains on their subordinates to have a bit of tactical freedom and everyone instantly unleased stashed megaweapons, necron-liquifying mechanicus experiments, biomass purging necron experiments and other planets and system-fucking science. And Szarech and Cawl instantly gone "Oh fuck, oh shit, guys,it was just a prank, stop everyone" but at that time evryone started using warp-related megaweapons and reality rippeв to spill chaos on top on necron power struggle and mechanicus war.

Where's that from? That sounds hilarious.

Pariah nexus campaign

 

[ArchAngel]

How does it fare compared to the Pathfinder games anyway? Is the combat system decent at least, or is it also a 10 minute buff fest?

It is worse. In pathfinder you take extend spell feat, slap it on all your buffs and buff once and run around the map to do all encounters. Here you can only cast buffs once combat starts and they last between few turns to end of that encounter.

 

[Yosharian]

This game is awesome in explaining how "let's all be democratic, progressive and respect human rights" approach actually works in Wahrammer 40k and it led to some magnificent zoomer meltdowns on steam page where theyraged that their "good, democratic actions" led toliterally every space horror exploiting them in one way or another and that their "good" actions in dialogues and choices are not rewarded by default.

Post them for our amusement

That ws about a year ago, search it yourself, most of such threads are locked

Excellent.

 

[La vie sexuelle]

So, gamehave improoved after patches in dark side department?

 

[Ghost Of Iron]

Not sure if this game ever punish Iconoclast playthrough. I know that not doing what Henrik suggested in the prologue get you a perma-debuff.

Iconoclast actions generally have the most positive outcomes in the base game, they rectified this in the DLC where doing so has significant negative consequences at several points. You are correct about Heretical, it's on the level of nuance and sophistication of KOTOR Dark Side options, but, it does fit the setting and nature of Chaos, so most people let it slide. The Heretic playthrough is still by far the weakest of the three as far as content and interesting choices regardless.

 

[Nirvash]

Oh well, i softlocked on cap 3

Can't win the malice boss fight, i have no tanks and the eldar is even naked cuz the loot seems to be gone in the void.
Nice fucking balance and mechanics owlcat, AS USUAL.

This game gone from a 8/10 to a 5/10 very fast.

 

[Grunker]

thx for beta testing the game for me y’all

 

[notpl]

thx for beta testing the game for me y’all

Don't worry, I'm sure you'll still find plenty of broken shit we missed.

 

[Nortar]

Oh well, i softlocked on cap 3

Can't win the malice boss fight, i have no tanks and the eldar is even naked cuz the loot seems to be gone in the void.
Nice fucking balance and mechanics owlcat, AS USUAL.

This game gone from a 8/10 to a 5/10 very fast.

I guess you're the targeted auditory for Solasta 2.
They want to make sure even retards who can't into basic party building everyone would be able to win every fight.

 

[Harthwain]

Oh well, i softlocked on cap 3

Can't win the malice boss fight, i have no tanks and the eldar is even naked cuz the loot seems to be gone in the void.
Nice fucking balance and mechanics owlcat, AS USUAL.

This game gone from a 8/10 to a 5/10 very fast.

You can get your gear back, although it is no super obvious how. Also, I am impressed you maanged to get this far without a single tank. I started with one, then I got an off-tank. I still struggled at times, but I managed to get as far as late in Chapter 4.

 

[Nirvash]

Oh well, i softlocked on cap 3

Can't win the malice boss fight, i have no tanks and the eldar is even naked cuz the loot seems to be gone in the void.
Nice fucking balance and mechanics owlcat, AS USUAL.

This game gone from a 8/10 to a 5/10 very fast.

You can get your gear back, although it is no super obvious how. Also, I am impressed you maanged to get this far without a single tank. I started with one, then I got an off-tank. I still struggled at times, but I managed to get as far as late in Chapter 4.

I have tanks, but for that fight you only get 3 pg.

 

[Shaki]

Oh well, i softlocked on cap 3

Can't win the malice boss fight, i have no tanks and the eldar is even naked cuz the loot seems to be gone in the void.
Nice fucking balance and mechanics owlcat, AS USUAL.

This game gone from a 8/10 to a 5/10 very fast.

Just turn the difficulty to lowest on that fight and you should win even alone and naked? What's the problem?