Why is Gothic series so culty?

[rusty_shackleford]

gothic 2 is an amazing game because it was the first immersive turnip picking simulator

I understand some folks like to start the game by fighting dragon with ultra-mega-legendary-mithril balde +12 to light radius, but in Gothic, even those early minor quests serve a purpose: to show MC's place in the world and his position in social hierarchy AS WELL as establish certain socioeconomic facets of the setting (farmer's rebellion being one of the main plotpoints - yes, farming is important shit in G2). Also, that turnip quest takes what, two minutes to complete?

Funny that one the one hand you criticize Gothics as 'TPP action games', and then lash on one of the quests that has no action whatsoever.

BTW both Third Person Perspective AND action also serve putposes of 'immersion'. It would be much harder to immerse player into the game if it was presented f.e. from isometric perspective (too impersonal), or if he didn't directly control action of the main character.

I'm glad we agree that it's not an RPG but a third person action game.

 

[Reina]

I'm glad we agree that it's not an RPG but a third person action game.

So, true RPGs are now restricted in terms of perspective and player input? Is that part of officially approved RPG Codex defintion of the RPG? In that case, what perspectives are offically approved RPG perspectives? Does First Person one count? Dragon Age also had TPP and action, is that not an RPG?

 

[rusty_shackleford]

Can someone explain why Ocarina of Time isn't an RPG but Gothic is?

 

[Jasede]

You haven't responded to any counterpoints made to your insipid and blatantly stupid points. You're discussing like a liberal. When you get owned, you move the topic to something else. And when some poor idiot answers your latest question, you'll make a stupid quip, wait one or two pages, and then ask the next stupid question.

 

[barricade]

nostalgia.

there, i solved this thread.

But we played Archolos just last year and loved it. And I replayed them recently as well and they hold up fine.

This nostalgia argument is what dismissive 20-29 year olds try to use who haven't played enough games yet and think using this word will save them having to discuss using coherent arguments.

it has shit graphics, shit combats, shit story, shit controls. is that coherent enough or are you gonna keep crying over a 20yo video game?

 

[Jasede]

You're retarded, touch grass.

 

[Konjad]

'dex surely declined in recent years. Even Andhaira presented some arguments in his trolling in the years past. Nowadays we get IGN-tier retarded trolls.

 

[rusty_shackleford]

'dex surely declined in recent years. Even Andhaira presented some arguments in his trolling in the years past. Nowadays we get IGN-tier retarded trolls.

poles seething because they're now realizing their favorite game is just an ocarina of time knockoff

 

[Jasede]

 

[Konjad]

'dex surely declined in recent years. Even Andhaira presented some arguments in his trolling in the years past. Nowadays we get IGN-tier retarded trolls.

poles seething because they're now realizing their favorite game is just an ocarina of time knockoff

Yes, I had never realized I loved a turd, but your thought-provoking argumentation elucidated this matter.

 

[barricade]

looks like i triggered someone again lol

 

[Jasede]

Joined Jun 19, 2022

ResetEra not sending their best.

 

[JDR13]

Sure, Gothic 1 & 2 have been surpassed by now

by what

Well, I suppose it depends on what you like. I don't think many games have surpassed them in terms of atmosphere, but I'd argue there might be a few that are bigger and better overall. If writing and characters are your thing, then I'd say The Witcher 3. If you're only about combat and exploration, then Elden Ring. Those games obviously have a huge advantage though in being many years newer.

In the early 2000's, there was nothing that could touch the Gothic series or even really came close.

 

[Ladonna]

It's funny looking at the topic heading and reading through the thread. The only cult behaviour I have seen here has been by the haters. "Waaah you need to hate the Gothic games! I hate them! You have to hate them too! They are OLD, the graphics are SHIT, the controls are HARD, did I say they were OLD? and they aren't even CRPG's"


Next gen only

 

[rusty_shackleford]

It's funny looking at the topic heading and reading through the thread. The only cult behaviour I have seen here has been by the haters. "Waaah you need to hate the Gothic games! I hate them! You have to hate them too! They are OLD, the graphics are SHIT, the controls are HARD, did I say they were OLD? and they aren't even CRPG's"


Next gen only

Notice I never once said I hated the games, the brainwashed get angry if you merely don't consider them to be the best games ever made.

 

[Ladonna]

Notice I never once said I hated the games, the brainwashed get angry if you merely don't consider them to be the best games ever made.

Oh? I didn't realise you enjoyed "German brain washing simulators", "Turnip picking games", "mediocre 3D action" games Rusty.

 

[barricade]

It's funny looking at the topic heading and reading through the thread. The only cult behaviour I have seen here has been by the haters. "Waaah you need to hate the Gothic games! I hate them! You have to hate them too! They are OLD, the graphics are SHIT, the controls are HARD, did I say they were OLD? and they aren't even CRPG's"


Next gen only

controls are not hard, they're tedious but you get used to it. also, i didn't hate those games, i just don't understand what's so "culty" about it.

that's funny how people in here can get so triggered when you dare criticizing their favorite games.

 

[Ladonna]

i just don't understand what's so "culty" about it.

Nor do I. I came for the cult behaviour, but only saw it in reverse.

that's funny how people in here can get so triggered when you dare criticizing their favorite games.

Pretty normal behaviour. Start a thread and talk about how shit Fallout is and see what happens. Fallout enjoyers will rush to the defence, which is expected.

I wouldn't say the Gothics are my "favourite" RPG's, but I enjoyed the first two quite a bit. Certainly enough to play through them a couple of times so far. Even the third one had some charms, though I got bored with it and never bothered completing it.

By the way, what is your favourite CRPG? rusty_shackleford what is yours?

 

[rusty_shackleford]

By the way, what is your favourite CRPG? @rusty_shackleford what is yours?

Starflight, amiga version

 

[Ladonna]

Starflight, amiga version

I wasn't expecting that. I still remember how awesome it was, coming from the C64, and seeing those planets slowly grow on the screen as you came into orbit. Very Star Trek experience overall and remains a great game to this day.

Just be careful though, that game is nearing 40 years old Rusty, you might get some criticism for liking such an ancient game.

 

[barricade]

Start a thread and talk about how shit Fallout is and see what happens. Fallout enjoyers will rush to the defence, which is expected.

don't give me ideas like that, i might be tempted

 

[Ladonna]

Start a thread and talk about how shit Fallout is and see what happens. Fallout enjoyers will rush to the defence, which is expected.

don't give me ideas like that, i might be tempted

Why not? Just make sure you provide plenty of details to attack.

 

[rusty_shackleford]

Start a thread and talk about how shit Fallout is and see what happens. Fallout enjoyers will rush to the defence, which is expected.

don't give me ideas like that, i might be tempted

The main attack surface of Fallout is how short it is. It's too short for any of the bad parts to shine through, which is why FO2 gets most of the criticisms.

Just call it a demo for the real game(FO2) to get them upset.

 

[Ladonna]

The main attack surface of Fallout is how short it is.

This was my criticism of the game after I finished it when it was first released. I really enjoyed the game, but at the time, to me, it was like a short, bargain version of Wasteland, which in hindsight is a bit cruel and misses out on the different roleplaying aspects Fallout introduced (not to mention the excellent sound track, design, etc). Great little package though.

I won't go into more details though. This is the Gothic thread after all.

 

[Multidirectional]

This nostalgia argument is what dismissive 20-29 year olds try to use who haven't played enough games yet and think using this word will save them having to discuss using coherent arguments.

I'm getting pretty nostalgic for 2017, when I played through G1 and G2 for a first time, might just reinstall them when I'm done replaying Risen.

 

[rusty_shackleford]

 

[Konjad]

Do you have a TEDx talk about what is an RPG too?

 

[rusty_shackleford]

Do you have a TEDx talk about what is an RPG too?