Sykar
Arcane
That is because casters are thought of as the ace in the hole. The warrior is the one who tends to do the heavy lifting which is why they can fight all day long.
That's basically the concept behind the old Ars Magica tabletop RPG. You play as a circle of mages in medieval Europe, each player has one mage character and a number of mundane 'companions'. Only one mage goes on each adventure, the other players bring an appropriate companion character instead. Of course you rotate over the campaign so that every player gets to play their mage in turn.This could be a cool premise for a game, in my opinion. I mean, party-based games in which everyone is important part of the team are commonplace. But a party-based game where you openly admit that your mage is the most important character and others are literally expendable meatshields? I can't recall many games with this kind of concept.Magic is best when it's blatantly overpowered compared to a non-magic user imo. For a party-based game, where magician and non-magician are meant to be equal options, that doesn't quite work... But a game where the main PC is a magician, who can hire less powerful non-magicians as help, for a party, would be cool, so you could keep the non-magic parts of the game realistic instead of getting lategame warriors who could kill 10s of lesser opponents just by somehow being so good at fighting.
Divine spells mostly suck though. Beyond mandatory healing, a cleric is just an underpowered fighter 99% of the time.
Clerics are arguably the most powerful base class in D&D 3.5 ED.
I'm confused, I remember from BG2 and ToB that clerics went up to 7th level only spells: https://pihwiki.bgforge.net/Baldur's_Gate:_Divine_Spells_List
But when I compare with https://www.d20srd.org/srd/spellLists/clericSpells.htm, I see that...many of the BG 7th level cleric spells are actually 9th level spells??
Clerics are arguably the most powerful base class in D&D 3.5 ED.
Druids are insanely powerful too. But they are nature clerics with animal companions and shapeshifting powers.
I'm confused, I remember from BG2 and ToB that clerics went up to 7th level only spells: https://pihwiki.bgforge.net/Baldur's_Gate:_Divine_Spells_List
But when I compare with https://www.d20srd.org/srd/spellLists/clericSpells.htm, I see that...many of the BG 7th level cleric spells are actually 9th level spells??
BG is AD&D/2E. Divine casters go up to 7th tier there.
That site is 3.5E. Divine casters go up to 9th tier there.
Simple as that, WoTC changed the magical system from the original TSR.
Divine spells mostly suck though. Beyond mandatory healing, a cleric is just an underpowered fighter 99% of the time.
Description: If the caster makes a successful melee touch attack, harm uses negative energy to reduce the target creature to 1d4 hit points. This spell has a reverse effect on undead, healing the targeted undead to full health instead of harming it.
As we can see from this example, martial heroes are not non-magical schlubs anyway: They're almost invariably of noble blood, descended from the Gods. Hercules, Achilles, Perseus, and Thor are all demigods or gods. Even Beowulf is at least the descendant of a king. Also, myths and legends are typically more grounded in reality than RPGs. Magical figures that exist are less overt in their magical powers. They don't go about slinging fireballs and lightning bolts at whim, unless they're gods. Merlin doesn't electrocute the enemies of King Arthur's knights with chain lightning. The powers of most magical figures tend to be oracular or ritualistic in nature: They know things that they probably shouldn't, or are capable of odd rituals producing seemingly unnatural effects, rather than being capable of conjuring force on demand. In contrast, RPGs tend to treat them as field artillery.Hercules, Achilles, Perseus, Thor, Beowulf all swapped at a moments notice?
Steel isn't strong boy. Flesh is stronger!
For example, with the strength domain a cleric can boost his Strength score to absurd levels for one round (we're talking about a bonus equal to his level.) Combine this with Righteous Might, Divine Power, Divine Favour, charging, using a two-handed weapon (preferably a +5 impact Minotaur greathammer,) pounce, a +5 inherent bonus to Strength, and expending as much to power attack as he can get away with; the damage done with a full attack would be enough to kill 99% of the monsters in the monster manual in a single round and put a serious hurting on anything that can survive. This, of course, is far from the most optimized CoDzilla build." https://1d4chan.org/wiki/CoDzilla
People compare Wizards VS Fighters, but is clear that melee divine casters >>>> rest.
Agreed when it comes to most western/European written fantasy novels on assumption, but due to existence/awareness/consideration of some Asian based fiction/fantasy novels, this notion/conclusion is questioned. In these; warriors (as these who train & engage in war/battle/combat) can perform feats that exceed the limits of what expected of man/human body such as slashing the ground open or walking in air due training or/and technic. They depicts warriors(one can describe them as warrior mage's as well) who's only limit is based on what a given author or creator thinks is best for the story or setting, but technically there is no limit.What they are is essentially analogous to what would be possible in real life and thus not fantastic.
Conan may appear to be unusually powerful for a human being but he is within the realm of what is possible in reality as Howard understood it. Boromir too is just as strong as any man could be in real life.
So the limit of a fantasy warrior is what is possible in real life, where as the limit of the magic powers of a wizard is only based on what a given author or creator thinks is best for the story or setting, but technically there is no limit because it's all made up anyway.
which was amazing, but cleric/mage opens up a whole new level of possibilities.
Legolags
Eh? Dude gets to knifing once he's out of arrowsunlimited arrow
Bah, he is not even a human. He is an an immortal being who has spent the last few thousand years arrowing things out of boredom. Of course he shoots like an aimbot. With how much practice the guy has gotten, it should be straight up near-impossible for him to miss anything incapable of outright dodging.Legolas uses cheat. He uses aimbot and unlimited arrow cheat. Doesn't count.
And what do all of these have in common? None of them are normal humans. An immortal elf, a dwarf, and a magical mutant of some kind.The character's Legolags, Gimly(from Lord of The Rings), Geralt(The Witcher) and fictions who's characters described has half-gods would better fit the description of fantasy warriors.
Clerics are arguably the most powerful base class in D&D 3.5 ED.
Clerics are arguably the most powerful base class in D&D 3.5 ED.
While I do not disagree with this statement in the broad sense, I do want to point out that clerics (and other caster focused characters) can run out of steam somewhat fast. They simply don't have the spellslots to keep alpha-striking a large amount of fights between rests.
Many (video) games hide this issue by allowing recovery (rest) to be spammed.
You are aware that they have a higher amount of spell slots compared to wizards, right?
Hi guys, first post here.
Welcome, then. RPG Watch refugees need to be de-loused and checked for tetanus first. Have a seat over there.
I'm proud to be one of the community. Hope my first post doesn't get shat on too much.
Let's take a look then, shall we?
MMO's
Uh...
like WoW
...you're not getting off to a good start here.
Like I said, have a seat over there.
I'm proud to be one of the community.
Mage vs warrior:
Mage vs warrior:
She lost though.
Anyway shitposting aside, the problem with trying to balance too much between might and magic is that you end up with D&D 4th edition, with everyclass having a very close kit, and everything feeel the same.
A friendly warning : know that individu pushing for such thing are regarded here with disdain as best. Worst than both combatfag and storyfag, even below rtwp enjoyer, and may I be forgiven for uttering their name :
THE SAWYERITE
Wrong. Nerds who read books don't want to be... nerds that read books - just magical ones. They dream to "crush your enemies -- See them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of their women!" And look like the man who spoke those words.A bunch of nerds who spent their time reading books all day instead of working out are really happy that characters who spent all their time studying books are the strongest. Now, the people making those rpgs are these nerds who did nothing but read book all the time.
Of course. The simple, pure hearted warrior always beats the conniving, complicated wizard despite the latter's superior power and resources, because something always goes wrong when you dabble in the forbidden or your plans have too many moving parts. This is Fantasy Narrative 101. If you don't believe me, ask ERYFKRAD.She lost though.Mage vs warrior:
Of course. The simple, pure hearted warrior always beats the conniving, complicated wizard despite the latter's superior power and resources, because something always goes wrong when you dabble in the forbidden or your plans have too many moving parts. This is Fantasy Narrative 101. If you don't believe me, ask ERYFKRAD.She lost though.Mage vs warrior: