Worst moment in a cRPG

[Deleted member 7219]

Starting up Wizardry 8 and realising it was a bunch of shit and despite what all the fags say, it is story, choices and consequences that make an RPG, not turn-based party combat.

 

[Radisshu]

Story and consequences without dice rolls or at least stats or skills isn't role-playing

 

[I.C. Wiener]

I don't remember exactly, was that the mine where you had to go to get somebody's shoe or something like that? If so, I don't remember anything particularly bad about that.

 

[FeelTheRads]

No, not that... but I don't really get it anyway. I assume it's because you have to go in those mines and apparently they're so horrible.

despite what all the fags say, it is story, choices and consequences that make an RPG, not turn-based party combat.

I'm sorry, but it is you who is the fag.

 

[Admiral jimbob]

I don't remember exactly, was that the mine where you had to go to get somebody's shoe or something like that? If so, I don't remember anything particularly bad about that.

Bates sends you there to discover the whereabouts of the Black Mountain Clan, for some reason I can't remember, just before you get sent to the Isle of Despair. It's about five levels deep, full of annoying golems and totally devoid of interest, it's just an absolute mind-numbing slog in an otherwise great part of the game.

 

[FeelTheRads]

It's about five levels deep, full of annoying golems and totally devoid of interest, it's just an absolute mind-numbing slog in an otherwise great part of the game.

At the worst, you need to go through ONE level to get to the king. You can also get to him without entering the mines themselves.

 

[Cassidy]

Without doubt, this.

 

[sportforredneck]

Starting up Wizardry 8 and realising it was a bunch of shit and despite what all the fags say, it is story, choices and consequences that make an RPG, not turn-based party combat.

:codexrage:

 

[Azael]

It's about five levels deep, full of annoying golems and totally devoid of interest, it's just an absolute mind-numbing slog in an otherwise great part of the game.

At the worst, you need to go through ONE level to get to the king. You can also get to him without entering the mines themselves.

You're thinking about the Wheel Clan.

 

[Mangoose]

It's about five levels deep, full of annoying golems and totally devoid of interest, it's just an absolute mind-numbing slog in an otherwise great part of the game.

At the worst, you need to go through ONE level to get to the king. You can also get to him without entering the mines themselves.

One level of crap is still crap.

 

[Admiral jimbob]

It's about five levels deep, full of annoying golems and totally devoid of interest, it's just an absolute mind-numbing slog in an otherwise great part of the game.

At the worst, you need to go through ONE level to get to the king. You can also get to him without entering the mines themselves.

You're thinking about the Wheel Clan.

Yep, different dungeon.

 

[FeelTheRads]

Hah, that's correct. Excuse my retardation.

 

[Fritz Haber]

It's about five levels deep, full of annoying golems and totally devoid of interest, it's just an absolute mind-numbing slog in an otherwise great part of the game.

I liked the BMC mine. It has lots of things that are nice and there are far worse areas:
Vendigroth ruins and the void comes to mind.

 

[Tails]

Probably Bloodlines, getting to Prince LaCroix. Fight with his bodyguard made me to quit game for a while, I couldn't take the heat.

 

[visions]

It's about five levels deep, full of annoying golems and totally devoid of interest, it's just an absolute mind-numbing slog in an otherwise great part of the game.

I liked the BMC mine. It has lots of things that are nice and there are far worse areas:
Vendigroth ruins and the void comes to mind.

Hah, I also liked it. Liked Vendigroth too :D

 

[Shannow]

DA:O: The Landsmeet
NWN2: The Trial
MotB: The end
KotOR: The end
Risen: The end
VtMB: The end
Arcanum: The bugs
FO3: The end (although the rest also ranged from mediocre to crap)
NWN: dragon fights
M&M9: the beginning

I can't think of a single "worst" moment but those were bad enough to be memorable.

 

[Radisshu]

It's about five levels deep, full of annoying golems and totally devoid of interest, it's just an absolute mind-numbing slog in an otherwise great part of the game.

I liked the BMC mine. It has lots of things that are nice and there are far worse areas:
Vendigroth ruins and the void comes to mind.

Hah, I also liked it. Liked Vendigroth too :D

WHAT was good about it, specifically?

 

[Phelot]

Arcanum: those stone golems, or anything that damages your weapons when you strike them or damages your armor when they strike you...

Ultima 8: A few of the underground areas were a chore especially the jumping stones in water were the avatar randomly slides off of them at times.

Ultima 7: some pretty frustrating combat experiences

Baldur's Gate: a lot of the underground areas, Ulcaster's, kobold mines... it's not fun waiting for your party to get somewhere and then finding out they've all gone in 6 different directions.

 

[Silellak]

 

[DraQ]

Baldur's Gate: a lot of the underground areas, Ulcaster's, kobold mines... it's not fun waiting for your party to get somewhere and then finding out they've all gone in 6 different directions.

That's what I loved in Wiz8.

 

[Jora]

All the numerous bugs in Arcanum for me. They really made playing the game a pain in the ass.

 

[Fritz Haber]

WHAT was good about it, specifically?

Well, let's see:

-derelict living quarters/gardens/workshops/smelters
-the trapped tunnel with a mad dwarf at the end
-Molochean Hand agents dead with a little bit of foreshadowing (although they are rather overused for that)

I can see how people think it a chore, especially the golems with weapon degradation.
But I found it to be a dungeon with a lot more character than Vendigroth ruins or nearly every sewer.

 

[Fat Dragon]

DA's Deep Roads. One of the most boring dungeon crawls I've ever played and it's about 4-5 hours long.

 

[visions]

It's about five levels deep, full of annoying golems and totally devoid of interest, it's just an absolute mind-numbing slog in an otherwise great part of the game.

I liked the BMC mine. It has lots of things that are nice and there are far worse areas:
Vendigroth ruins and the void comes to mind.

Hah, I also liked it. Liked Vendigroth too :D

WHAT was good about it, specifically?

I didn't say it was good, I said I liked it, there's a quite big difference I think, for instance I might say that I liked Jay and Silent Bob, but I would not call it a good movie. It's easier to explain why I think something's good (eg well done), harder to explain "liking" something.

I think nostalgia, rose-tinted glasses and all that shit plays a role here, as the last time I seriously played Arcanum was about 5 years ago when I was a relatively unexperienced and impressionable teenager and my memory might be clouded. I'm not sure what I'd think of it today but I'm planning to replay Arcanum this year, to see how it holds up to me.

I'm not quite sure whether you asked about BMC or Vendigroth but I'll try to remember what I liked. As Fritz said, BMC had a quite distinct character, I liked how it was built, exploring old living quarters and getting through the frustrating trap filled tunnel to find this mad dwarf guy, thinking who the fuck is he and what's his role there.

As for Vendigroth, I don't remember too much about it, since I only got that far with one of my characters, but I vaguely remember liking something about it. Maybe the sense of exploring the ruins of what used to be a great city but was ruined because of its inhabitant's arrogance. I vaguely remember finding scraps of old Vendigrothian newspapers there, about their conflict with Arronax, which I enjoyed reading. When I was playing Arcanum I was pretty much into the game world and places that had some significance in the gameworld's history (like also Kerghan's Lab or the ancient temple), were interesting to me; for me making sense of the history of Arcanum was enjoyable like putting together pieces of a puzzle.

The parts I disliked the most were trudging through the Dredge in the Wheel Clan and the cavern-like jungle in Thanatos with shitloads of giant apes. Somehow Vendigroth and BMC didn't seem as tedious to me.

 

[Dyspaire]

DA's Deep Roads. One of the most boring dungeon crawls I've ever played and it's about 4-5 hours long.

Ya I'd put about 30h into the game by the time I was ready to embark on the Deep Roads. Just couldn't make myself do it. 30h on the rail tracks to that point, and knowing there was so much more unavoidable monotony ahead of me... I hope it was worth it to you in the end.

Man I wish Bioware cared about gameplay mechanics.