Your favorite PoE 1/2 class

[Desiderius]

Hunter was my favorite class in WoW. It was really cool that you had to tame a wild animal to make it your pet, and different animals had different strengths and weaknesses. It had cool utility like Feign Death and different animal Aspects.

PoE Ranger is impressively boring. The pet is mostly worthless and requires constant micro. The main character spends most of the time auto-attacking, occasionally using abilities that are just upgraded attacks. Really terrible design, and I feel bad for anyone who picked that class on his first playthrough because he didn't know better.

You could always trying sucking less.

Why do people do this? This is a description of a Ranger played by a complete retard.

 

[Max Damage]

Wizard, best active ability list of all classes + goes well with everything as multiclass due to how many spells you get for free with grimoires, also very good unique spells.

 

[Sweeper]

Priests and Ciphers cause they're the most powerful.
Flavor is for fags.

 

[Cryomancer]

Flavor is for fags.

I play games for fun, I loved Ciphers in the game but if I didn't liked, I wouldn't play. How OP or UP is irrelevant.

 

[Sweeper]

Flavor is for fags.

I play games for fun, I loved Ciphers in the game but if I didn't liked, I wouldn't play. How OP or UP is irrelevant.

RPGs are for min-maxing, that's never been disputed by anyone.

 

[cioran]

Rogue of course: one of the best single target damage/CC, they completely suck for everything else lol

 

[EvilWolf]

Mercenary with my donut steel trademarked build: Down With The Matriarchy Sigma Male Grindset Sorcerer Supreme.

 

[Haplo]

Mixing both PoE1 and 2 is IMO a mistake. The addition of multiclassing and slightly more staggered progression in Deadfire changed some things.
Like I loved AoE Carnage Barbarians in PoE1, but don't think too highly of them in Deadfire. On their own they are a bit weak and their most important abilities come too late for multiclassing.

Cipher also felt a lot more unique - and individually stronger - in PoE1 (particularly with Priests and Wizards having very few and low level per encounter spells).
Its still pretty cool, but more as a multiclass component in Deadfire IMO. Still voted for it, as it is the most unique class. Also Ascendant is fun and Psion pretty unique.

Monks became vastly more interesting in Deadfire also, with multiclassing, where they offer awesome synergies to other classes - and with great subclasses, like Forbidden Fist or Helwalker.

Is interesting how the 3 Avoided "classes" that are very lackluster trees had ZERO votes so far. Ranger = 0 votes. Wizards = 0 votes. Fighter = 0 Votes.

Well, wizard is actually pretty solid. In PoE1 his nuking potential wasn't matched by anyone. Still I've felt I needed to pamper Aloth too much and his contributions were too rare to be really valuable.
Again, they shine more in Deadfire, with multiclassing and some cool subclasses, like the Blood Mage. Its easy to build durable gish-type combatants... or stealthy assassin nukers. A fun class in Deadfire overall.

 

[Cryomancer]

Mixing both PoE1 and 2 is IMO a mistake. The addition of multiclassing and slightly more staggered progression in Deadfire changed some things.

Yes, but would be hard to put ALL multiclass of Deadfire, so if you have a Cipher/Rogue multiclass for eg, if you invested more in Cipher, your favorite class is Cipher. If you invested more in Rogue, your favorite class is Rogue.

wizard is actually pretty solid. In PoE1 his nuking potential wasn't matched by anyone.

Yes, but IMO Wizards should be more than merely magical artillery. Not talking about D&D specifically, in Warhammer Fantasy, Wizards specialize into a one of the seven "winds of magic". A Bright wizard and a Grey Wizard would be vastly different types of Wizards. One would be throwing massive fire explosions, others would be infiltrating in the enemy, messing the battlefield making enemies kill themselves and so on. In WH40k, a Biomancer, a Pyromancer, a Telepath and a Kineticist Psyker would play vastly different. In Harry Potter, not much "artillery spells", most of the offensive spells are single target. Avada Kedavra, Sectumsempra being the most iconic examples.

 

[Max Damage]

PoE 1/2 wizards can do lots of stuff, they've got as much versatility and power as D&D wizards, to the point that most of wizard subclasses in PoE 2 are actually downgrades over not picking any.

 

[Cryomancer]

they've got as much versatility and power as D&D wizards,

Disagreed. Compare the destructive potential of AD&D or 3.5e Cloudkill with Malignant cloud. The lack of OHK spells. The fact that enemies have much more hp and your spells dish less damage....

 

[Max Damage]

Cloudkill is trash killer in 3.5e cRPGs, and Missile Salvo deletes endgame enemies. It doesn't matter if it's not OHK if they die in 6 seconds or less regardless. It's guaranteed shitload of damage that isn't limited to 1 enemy only.

 

[Diggfinger]

Druids were absolute powerhouses in the first game - way overpowered (in the best way possible).

I liked Chanter alot in Deadfire.

 

[Nikanuur]

Personally, I have found Maia to be quite unique and likeable:

a) I'm sucker for exotic origins. (Aumaua)
b) She uses a firearm instead of a bow. That's an interesting twist compared to most RPG stereotypes.
c) She shows little affection toward the team but behaves kindly toward animals—especially her otherwise cheeky, coarse bird. Nice show of a big heart.
d) She stands up for what's right from time to time, as Rangers should, but her soldier's perspective, sobered by the chain of command, often tempers her (in)action as well.

Even though I usually prefer Chaotic Good Rangers (like Aragorn) who do whatever they believe is right at the moment, I found Maia's portrayal as a Neutral Good ranger-soldier to be a refreshing take.

 

[mediocrepoet]

I picked cipher because it's unique to the setting and is a nice implementation of a gish and can be stupid powerful to boot (less so after the patch nerfs).

That being said, there were some other nice classes too, they just generally were similar/identical to the mirroring classes in other RPGs. Ranger is a lot better than many people give it credit for.

 

[almondblight]

Ranger is a lot better than many people give it credit for.

I have noticed that Itumaak is often doing massive damage with his normal attacks, far more than my other characters. It's pretty common to have attacks hit for 60-80 damage.

 

[mediocrepoet]

Ranger is a lot better than many people give it credit for.

I have noticed that Itumaak is often doing massive damage with his normal attacks, far more than my other characters. It's pretty common to have attacks hit for 60-80 damage.

The pets can do a decent chunk of damage, but the ranger can do more personally with the right set up. They're basically a position agnostic rogue.

 

[Cryomancer]

One of the guys who completed the Ultimate completed as a Soul Blade Cipher / Ranger( src https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLSxfX1_DHQD36U-j6Mz3_C34fLKrg3s5G ) and arcane archer with the "perk" that allows you to fire twice imbuing two fireballs or Pull of Eora in a single shot.

 

[Haplo]

One of the guys who completed the Ultimate completed as a Soul Blade Cipher / Ranger( src https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLSxfX1_DHQD36U-j6Mz3_C34fLKrg3s5G ) and arcane archer with the "perk" that allows you to fire twice imbuing two fireballs or Pull of Eora in a single shot.

Well, I'm not too surprised about this combo. Ranger is the class that can achieve the highest Accuracy in the game. Then Cipher can boost it even further with Borrowed Instincts. Should make landing those Puppet Masters and Disintegrates much more reliable.

 

[Maxie]

Personally, I have found Maia to be quite unique and likeable:

a) I'm sucker for exotic origins. (Aumaua)
b) She uses a firearm instead of a bow. That's an interesting twist compared to most RPG stereotypes.
c) She shows little affection toward the team but behaves kindly toward animals—especially her otherwise cheeky, coarse bird. Nice show of a big heart.
d) She stands up for what's right from time to time, as Rangers should, but her soldier's perspective, sobered by the chain of command, often tempers her (in)action as well.

Even though I usually prefer Chaotic Good Rangers (like Aragorn) who do whatever they believe is right at the moment, I found Maia's portrayal as a Neutral Good ranger-soldier to be a refreshing take.

so you want your balls crushed by a person of colour girlboss alright

 

[Cryomancer]

One of the guys who completed the Ultimate completed as a Soul Blade Cipher / Ranger( src https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLSxfX1_DHQD36U-j6Mz3_C34fLKrg3s5G ) and arcane archer with the "perk" that allows you to fire twice imbuing two fireballs or Pull of Eora in a single shot.

Well, I'm not too surprised about this combo. Ranger is the class that can achieve the highest Accuracy in the game. Then Cipher can boost it even further with Borrowed Instincts. Should make landing those Puppet Masters and Disintegrates much more reliable.

When I played as a Psion in PotD with level scaling, what I really hated is that everything was soaking multiple disintegration and I was missing, missing and missing. I ended restarting without level scaling and still got situations like this. Wasted all of my focus and only missed

 

[Desiderius]

Flavor is for fags.

I play games for fun, I loved Ciphers in the game but if I didn't liked, I wouldn't play. How OP or UP is irrelevant.

RPGs are for min-maxing, that's never been disputed by anyone.

Personally, I have found Maia to be quite unique and likeable:

a) I'm sucker for exotic origins. (Aumaua)
b) She uses a firearm instead of a bow. That's an interesting twist compared to most RPG stereotypes.
c) She shows little affection toward the team but behaves kindly toward animals—especially her otherwise cheeky, coarse bird. Nice show of a big heart.
d) She stands up for what's right from time to time, as Rangers should, but her soldier's perspective, sobered by the chain of command, often tempers her (in)action as well.

Even though I usually prefer Chaotic Good Rangers (like Aragorn) who do whatever they believe is right at the moment, I found Maia's portrayal as a Neutral Good ranger-soldier to be a refreshing take.

Good?

Maybe eventually if you play your cards right. She starts LE.

 

[Heroic Liberator]

Maia

Good?

Maybe eventually if you play your cards right. She starts LE.

That's a stretch. Lawful Neutral at worst depending on how you feel about Rauatai, but the RDC is in no way an evil faction.

 

[Nikanuur]

Maybe eventually if you play your cards right. She starts LE.

Maybe I didn't quite get her, or my memory fails me, hh. And it's true that she's not shy of behaving harshly, or being stern. Then again I think that's rather the 'neutral' in her than an 'evil'. Neutral characters listen to their leaders. RDC doesn't like the 'passivity' of Huana, so Rua doesn't like Huana. However, I don't remember her doing or siding with some really nasty stuff like killing children or the defenseless, etc. And other than that:

• Maia likes:
  • Dutiful: Admires people who take responsibility and don't shirk the tasks presented to them.
  • Lighthearted: Appreciates jokes and levity in life, even in the darkest of circumstances.
  • Provincial: Finds rural and provincial expressions and ways of life charming and endearing.
  • Pro-Rauatai: Maia supports Rauatai and the Royal Deadfire company.
  • Resourcefulness: Respects those who are independent and resourceful.
• Maia dislikes:
  • Animal Cruelty: Has a negative reaction to people who are cruel or callous toward animals.
  • Pro-Huana: Dislikes and opposes the native Huana of the Deadfire Archipelago.

This doesn't strike me as an evil character either.
So, how do you mean?

 

[Cryomancer]

I liked Maia's subclass but didn't like her as a companion. Honestly, IDK why people in Obsidian decided to restrict so many cool subclasses to companions only. Wild mind, Watershaper, Gunhawk—so many cool subclasses that you need to use mods to try in your main character.

About Cipher, IMO, Ciphers in Deadfire and in Pillows 1 are in some aspects stronger even than 3.5e Psionicist, while Wizards are much weaker than 3.5e counterparts. Pick a ringleader for example. AoE domination is something that not even 9th-tier spells in D&D like Dominate Monster can do. Dominate monster is a single target spell. This powerful spell is available for mid-level Ciphers. Ciphers can cast it unlimited times before needing to rest. Meanwhile, in KotC2, Dominate is a 7th-tpower( src ) and you can "semi" dominate a creature in Pillows at lv 1, spending merely 10 focus. Or as a 3rd level power by spending 30 focus. In KotC2, Psionicist is considered the best class in the game. In 3.5e SRD, Dominate is available as a 4th tier power but only for Telepaths( src). At 9th level, the psion has 72 power points, enough to cast manifest 8 powers at lv 5 per rest. Meanwhile, a Cipher in Pillows can spam multiple "ring leaders" in multiple encounters without needing to rest.

In terms of mind controlling, I think that Cipher in Pillows 1/2 is the strongest character class in ANY RPG.