Official RPG Codex Discord Server

  1. Welcome to rpgcodex.net, a site dedicated to discussing computer based role-playing games in a free and open fashion. We're less strict than other forums, but please refer to the rules.

    "This message is awaiting moderator approval": All new users must pass through our moderation queue before they will be able to post normally. Until your account has "passed" your posts will only be visible to yourself (and moderators) until they are approved. Give us a week to get around to approving / deleting / ignoring your mundane opinion on crap before hassling us about it. Once you have passed the moderation period (think of it as a test), you will be able to post normally, just like all the other retards.
    Dismiss Notice

Interview Andrzej Sapkowski doesn't like computer games, hasn't played The Witcher series

Discussion in 'News & Content Feedback' started by Infinitron, Nov 14, 2012.

  1. Infinitron I post news Patron

    Infinitron
    Joined:
    Jan 28, 2011
    Messages:
    86,641
    RPG Wokedex Dead State Divinity: Original Sin Project: Eternity Torment: Tides of Numenera Wasteland 2 Shadorwun: Hong Kong Divinity: Original Sin 2 A Beautifully Desolate Campaign Pillars of Eternity 2: Deadfire Pathfinder: Kingmaker Pathfinder: Kingmaker
    Tags: Andrzej Sapkowski; CD Projekt; Witcher, The

    There's an interview of sorts with Witcher author Andrzej Sapkowski over at Eurogamer. Actually, it's more like a series of rants. Some snippets:

    "I've never played any computer games, be it fantasy or others. Sometimes I read through dedicated gaming magazines or watch television programmes. Graphics and technology, sometimes, I admire. I cannot say anything about the plots, though. Apart from the fact that some types of games seem to lack any story whatsoever. Those seem to be all about the hack and slash."​

    "The game - with all due respect to it, but let's finally say it openly - is not an 'alternative version', nor a sequel. The game is a free adaptation containing elements of my work; an adaptation created by different authors," he noted.​

    "Adaptations - although they can in a way relate to the story told in the books - can never aspire to the role of a follow-up. They can never add prologues nor prequels, let alone epilogues and sequels.​

    "If we level the field between books and their adaptations in other media, only the former can be the ones telling a story," he stated. "There can never be a different relation between a book and its adaptation, other than the one that without the book the adaptation would not exist at all.​

    "I realise that current times accustom us - which I find terrible - to the strange convergence of media and the freedom of mixing them. To me as a writer, the idea to write 'adjuvant content' and create something 'complementary' to a game or a comic is an absolute pinnacle of idiocy."​

    "I believe it is the success of my books that significantly affects the popularity of the games," he returned. "That in reality, the games used this fact, as my success beat the games to the punch.​

    "The translations of my books into most European languages - including English - preceded the release of the first game. Long before the game - and it's a known fact - I was a well known writer, even there, where there have been no translations of my work.​

    Read the entire thing for more entertaining Polish curmudgeonry. There's also an official response from CD Projekt RED.
     
    ^ Top  
  2. Spectacle Arcane Patron

    Spectacle
    Joined:
    May 25, 2006
    Messages:
    7,444
    It must burn his butt very much that to most people in the world who have heard of it, the Witcher games are the definitive version of Geralt's story, with the books serving as supplementary. :smug:
     
    • Brofist Brofist x 3
    ^ Top  
  3. Brother None inXile Entertainment Developer

    Brother None
    Joined:
    Jul 11, 2004
    Messages:
    5,621
    The thing is, his direct environment probably tells him this is right, because the books, if I'm not mistaken, are wildly popular in Poland and some other Eastern European countries. So one can understand why he'd get the impression his popularity would drive the game's popularity. Though he doesn't have to sound so much like a dick about it.

    But for the rest of the world, truth is most of us never heard of the Witcher before the games hit. If there's any interest in reading or hopefully translating and properly releasing his novels in English, it is likely to be pretty much completely due to the games. I don't see how that's a bad thing, but he sounds pissed off about it.
     
    • Brofist Brofist x 3
    ^ Top  
  4. evdk comrade troglodyte :M Patron

    evdk
    Joined:
    Mar 31, 2004
    Messages:
    11,283
    Location:
    Corona regni Bohemiae
    Codex 2012 Serpent in the Staglands Dead State Divinity: Original Sin Project: Eternity Torment: Tides of Numenera Wasteland 2 A Beautifully Desolate Campaign
    They should've asked him whether "Coś się kończy, coś się zaczyna" was the true epilogue. :troll:

    You have no idea. In the part the local distributor keeps printing tne novels round the clock. I think my copy of "Elven Blood" was already the fifth printing and that was ten years ago.
     
    ^ Top  
  5. Tical Arcane

    Tical
    Joined:
    Nov 29, 2007
    Messages:
    4,723
    Location:
    Your closet.
    What a douche. The books probably suck as bad as the games.
     
    • Brofist Brofist x 2
    ^ Top  
  6. Admiral jimbob gay as all hell

    Unwanted
    Andhaira
    Joined:
    Sep 29, 2009
    Messages:
    9,217
    Location:
    truck stops and toilet stalls
    Wasteland 2
    He does realise nobody's even bothered to fucking translate more than two of his books into English at least and probably most other languages? :lol: Clown. I'm no huge Twitcher fan, but this isn't cool of him. CD Projekt obviously have a lot of love for the universe, and he's pretty much leaning off his high horse and shitting on them.
     
    • Brofist Brofist x 3
    ^ Top  
  7. asper Arcane

    asper
    Joined:
    Nov 14, 2007
    Messages:
    2,145
    Project: Eternity
    It was long known the guy is an ass.

    The books are standard fantasy pulp, full of half naked big breasted sorceresses and macho grimdark Witcher, quite terrible and mostly popular with teenagers. However, he wrote a really cool low-magic semi-historical trilogy after that, full of historical references, old language etc. Terrific setting, and very enjoyable, light reading, much better than the Witcher stuff.

    It doesn't make sense to compare different media, but I do think the first game was a good effort, it had really good music and atmosphere, and pretty 3d visuals. It's much better than say Dragon Age.
     
    ^ Top  
  8. Yaar Podshipnik Arcane Patron

    Yaar Podshipnik
    Joined:
    Jan 9, 2011
    Messages:
    2,386
    Codex 2012 Codex 2013 Codex 2014 PC RPG Website of the Year, 2015 Codex 2016 - The Age of Grimoire Make the Codex Great Again! Grab the Codex by the pussy Insert Title Here RPG Wokedex Strap Yourselves In Serpent in the Staglands Dead State Divinity: Original Sin Project: Eternity Torment: Tides of Numenera Wasteland 2 Codex USB, 2014 Shadorwun: Hong Kong Divinity: Original Sin 2 BattleTech Bubbles In Memoria A Beautifully Desolate Campaign Pillars of Eternity 2: Deadfire Pathfinder: Kingmaker Pathfinder: Kingmaker
    While it is true that he was known before the games came out, he can't deny the fact that playing (or even hearing about) the games brought in new readers.

    Here in Bulgaria lots of folks have picked up "Вещер" (Bulgarian title) series only after playing the first game. So it wasn't only the games riding on his success, but his work also benefited from the success of the games.

    I also disagree with him that expanding a fictional universe beyond the original medium is an "absolute pinnacle of idiocy". First, it can bring in more money. Like it or not, that's pretty important if you don't want to live under a bridge. Second, you don't need to compromise your artistic vision - just make sure you write good licensing deal. Third, books, games, movies, comics, etc. are not mutually exclusive forms of entertainment. Each and every one of them have their good and bad sides.

    It is strange that he boasts that he never played any games. I know I would like to see what other people created based on my original ideas. So it seems to me that he is getting a bit high on his ego with this.

    Really? PS:T didn't have a story then? Movies can't have a story? Plays can't have a story? That is bullshit. A book can tell a story using narrative elements that are available in that form, a game can tell you a story using different devices. That doesn't mean that one is better than another. This is doubly smelly bullshit considering that he says himself that he didn't play ANY games.

    Sapkowski said previously that he won't be writing any more Witcher, but now that games sold shit loads of copies he's writing more? Hypocritical bastard.

    Having said all that, I still enjoy his work (not only Witcher, Hussite Trilogy is awesome too). I also like what CD Projekt RED did based on his work. He's just one of those writers that should keep their uneducated opinions to themselves and stick to writing.

    And now for some potato text:
    Panie Sapkowski, jeśli, jakimś cudem Pan to czyta, radzę zająć się pisaniem książek, a nie krytykować rzeczy których Pan nie zna i nie rozumie. Tworzy Pan ciekawe światy i bohaterów, ale, coś mi się tak wydaje, że obecnego świata rozumie Pan coraz mniej.
     
    • Brofist Brofist x 4
    ^ Top  
  9. agentorange Arcane Patron

    agentorange
    Joined:
    Aug 14, 2012
    Messages:
    4,779
    Codex 2012
    I read one of the books. It sucked. It was on the level of the Warhammer fantasy novels.
     
    • Brofist Brofist x 1
    ^ Top  
  10. evdk comrade troglodyte :M Patron

    evdk
    Joined:
    Mar 31, 2004
    Messages:
    11,283
    Location:
    Corona regni Bohemiae
    Codex 2012 Serpent in the Staglands Dead State Divinity: Original Sin Project: Eternity Torment: Tides of Numenera Wasteland 2 A Beautifully Desolate Campaign
    The Hussite Trilogy?

    EDIT: Lots of edgy mature readers ITT.
     
    • Brofist Brofist x 1
    ^ Top  
  11. hoverdog dog that is hovering, Wastelands Interactive Developer

    hoverdog
    Joined:
    Jul 8, 2010
    Messages:
    5,589
    Location:
    Jordan, Minnesota
    Project: Eternity
    Sapek is a huge egomaniacal dick, news at eleven.
     
    • Brofist Brofist x 3
    ^ Top  
  12. asper Arcane

    asper
    Joined:
    Nov 14, 2007
    Messages:
    2,145
    Project: Eternity
    Not liking pulp on the level of D&D fan-novels has nothing to do with being "edgy".

    Yeah, The Hussite Trilogy. It is also a lightweight romp, but it has excellent language, historical details, and a very interesting setting.The appendix where a lot of the references are explained is very fun to read, I'd recommend it to any history buff. Simply on a whole different level than the Witcher, which are basically like novels written by a Bioware forum member, but without the grammar mistakes..
     
    ^ Top  
  13. Yaar Podshipnik Arcane Patron

    Yaar Podshipnik
    Joined:
    Jan 9, 2011
    Messages:
    2,386
    Codex 2012 Codex 2013 Codex 2014 PC RPG Website of the Year, 2015 Codex 2016 - The Age of Grimoire Make the Codex Great Again! Grab the Codex by the pussy Insert Title Here RPG Wokedex Strap Yourselves In Serpent in the Staglands Dead State Divinity: Original Sin Project: Eternity Torment: Tides of Numenera Wasteland 2 Codex USB, 2014 Shadorwun: Hong Kong Divinity: Original Sin 2 BattleTech Bubbles In Memoria A Beautifully Desolate Campaign Pillars of Eternity 2: Deadfire Pathfinder: Kingmaker Pathfinder: Kingmaker
    evdk, yep that's the one. AFAIK, not translated to English.
     
    ^ Top  
  14. evdk comrade troglodyte :M Patron

    evdk
    Joined:
    Mar 31, 2004
    Messages:
    11,283
    Location:
    Corona regni Bohemiae
    Codex 2012 Serpent in the Staglands Dead State Divinity: Original Sin Project: Eternity Torment: Tides of Numenera Wasteland 2 A Beautifully Desolate Campaign
    Translated to Czech and on my bookshelf already, so I don't care about the Anglo Saxon plight.
     
    ^ Top  
  15. evdk comrade troglodyte :M Patron

    evdk
    Joined:
    Mar 31, 2004
    Messages:
    11,283
    Location:
    Corona regni Bohemiae
    Codex 2012 Serpent in the Staglands Dead State Divinity: Original Sin Project: Eternity Torment: Tides of Numenera Wasteland 2 A Beautifully Desolate Campaign
    I have read lots of licensed novels and let me tell you they are of different level of quality completely.
     
    ^ Top  
  16. ghostdog Prestigious Gentleman Arcane Patron

    ghostdog
    Joined:
    Dec 31, 2007
    Messages:
    10,450
    Bah, it's known that he hates everyone and everything (except books and writing I guess). He would fit right in Codex, if only he was obsessive about certain games instead of books.

    Actually he is a pretty good fantasy writer and I say this form reading some of his novels that are obviously badly translated in English. Too bad I can't read Polish or a decent translation. There is speculation that the English release of Times Of Contempt was pushed back because Sapkowski wasn't happy with the translations.
     
    ^ Top  
  17. Zboj Lamignat Arcane

    Zboj Lamignat
    Joined:
    Feb 15, 2012
    Messages:
    3,789
    More relevant Codex news - Sapkowski is also a communist and an alcoholic.

    Also, I don't care about the setting, the Hussite trilogy was awful, one of the most schematic books ever written.

    Witcher books are great when you read them as a 15yo kid, you might be in for a disappointment if you try them as an adult.
     
    • Brofist Brofist x 3
    ^ Top  
  18. Lagole Gon Arcane Patron

    Lagole Gon
    Joined:
    Nov 4, 2011
    Messages:
    4,449
    Location:
    Retaken Potato
    Insert Title Here RPG Wokedex Pathfinder: Kingmaker
    Taken out of context. He meant "canon witcher story is in the books".


    So much hate in this old man... He's quite codexian.
     
    ^ Top  
  19. Black Arcane

    Black
    Joined:
    May 8, 2007
    Messages:
    1,869,847
    Can't blame him, most of them are shit!
     
    • Brofist Brofist x 1
    ^ Top  
  20. St. Toxic Arcane

    St. Toxic
    Joined:
    Jun 9, 2006
    Messages:
    9,098
    Location:
    Yemen / India
    There are Witcher books? What a waste of paper.
     
    ^ Top  
  21. thesheeep Arcane Patron

    thesheeep
    Joined:
    Mar 16, 2007
    Messages:
    8,650
    Location:
    Tampere, Finland
    Codex 2012 Serpent in the Staglands Dead State Divinity: Original Sin Torment: Tides of Numenera Codex USB, 2014 Shadorwun: Hong Kong Divinity: Original Sin 2 BattleTech Bubbles In Memoria A Beautifully Desolate Campaign Pillars of Eternity 2: Deadfire Pathfinder: Kingmaker Pathfinder: Kingmaker
    Wow. Complete loss of perception of reality.

    Impressive, somehow. Must come with the isolation.
     
    • Brofist Brofist x 1
    ^ Top  
  22. Awor Szurkrarz Arcane In My Safe Space

    Awor Szurkrarz
    Joined:
    Dec 11, 2009
    Messages:
    21,903
    Codex 2012
    He's famous for coming to fan meetings completely drunk and insulting people.
     
    ^ Top  
  23. Toffeli Atomkrieg, ja bitte Patron

    Toffeli
    Joined:
    Feb 24, 2011
    Messages:
    1,461
    Location:
    Nordic Mongolia
    Wasteland 2
    Kurwa Andrzej
     
    ^ Top  
  24. Taluntain Most Frabjous

    Taluntain
    Joined:
    Oct 7, 2003
    Messages:
    4,081
    Location:
    Your Mind
    The poorly translated booklet included with the first game was my first contact with his writing. And last. Funny how the games probably ended up being better without his involvement.
     
    • Brofist Brofist x 1
    ^ Top  

As an Amazon Associate, rpgcodex.net earns from qualifying purchases.