Anno 1800

[Infinitron]

Pulling shit from Steam again? Haven't they said "we'll never go this ever again" or some such? Idiots.

I like how they're just openly continuing to sell it until the release date to juice up pre-orders from players desperate to have the game on Steam.

 

[cvv]

Pulling shit from Steam again? Haven't they said "we'll never go this ever again" or some such? Idiots.

I like how they're just openly continuing to sell it until the release date to juice up pre-orders from players desperate to have the game on Steam.

I thought they're gonna pull back on stoking that PR shitstorm but instead they're doubling down. I can't even.

 

[Infinitron]

It's actually not a bad compromise tbh. You can still get the game on Steam if you're willing to take the risk of pre-ordering, kind of a "delayed exclusivity". Now that Ubisoft have gotten this I wonder if other developers will demand a similar deal.

 

[Mazisky]

It's ok. People will complain here on codex while secretly purchasing it on Epic store.

 

[cvv]

Plus anyone buying games requiring their own launcher on some other store is patently retarded. It was true of Ubi games on Steam and it's true for them on Epic. On the uPlay store you have a default -20% off of all new games, why would you buy them anywhere else?

 

[fantadomat]

It's actually not a bad compromise tbh. You can still get the game on Steam if you're willing to take the risk of pre-ordering, kind of a "delayed exclusivity". Now that Ubisoft have gotten this I wonder if other developers will demand a similar deal.

I would wager that that is their goal,to push pre-orders. It is not like they will be selling shit ton on epic. Steam should ban such games for illegal practices or something.

 

[Azazel]

After like a decade clean, I'm back to just pirating shit. Amazing.

 

[GrainWetski]

Plus anyone buying games requiring their own launcher on some other store is patently retarded. It was true of Ubi games on Steam and it's true for them on Epic. On the uPlay store you have a default -20% off of all new games, why would you buy them anywhere else?

While I would never buy a game on Steam/whatever that still requires another launcher(not that I've had to make such a choice yet since all the games have been garbage so far), I can at least see why someone else would. Maybe they prefer Steam's support/refunds or just want to have everything on there for whatever reason. I mean, they could've been using Steam for almost 16 years by now. That's a long time.

On the other hand, I can't come up with a single reason why anyone should buy this on Epic's store. Even the "developer cut" non-argument goes out the window because you're actively giving less to the developers in this case. Which makes all the gamejournos trying to get people to buy it on there instead of Uplay pretty fucking funny.

 

[cvv]

Trying to have everything on Steam is increasingly futile. It might've seemed as a viable goal 10 years ago when Steam had literal monopoly but in 2019? You'd have to boycott a solid chunk of the gaming market by now.

But as for why'd anyone buy an Ubisoft game on the Epic store, yeah... Unlike Steam, can't imagine many Epic brand loyalists out there.

 

[Life of the Party]

 

[Infinitron]

 

[Belegarsson]

Plus anyone buying games requiring their own launcher on some other store is patently retarded. It was true of Ubi games on Steam and it's true for them on Epic. On the uPlay store you have a default -20% off of all new games, why would you buy them anywhere else?

For me personally:

- even with 20% off discount, the game's still more expensive in my country. For some reasons those Ubisoft retards force my country (Vietnam) to buy stuffs in EUR on Uplay store, so Anno 1800 on Steam is like 42 bucks, while the Uplay version with discount is 54 bucks.
- easier to buy and manage DLC, cheaper price too. I own Assassin's Creed Syndicate with all DLCs on Uplay, installing it on my 1TB HDD is a pain with its massive size, can't uncheck the Jack the Ripper DLC like on Steam.
- I prefer downloading games on Steam, for Uplay not sure if it's my ISP or fuckery inside Uplay, the client occasionally freeze download in progress for no reasons then resume automatically. It took me like 4 hours to download a 5gb patch for The Division 2 yesterday because of this. Never had any problem with Steam download in the last 5+ years.

Having Uplay games on Steam isn't that much of a retarded idea actually. For a new game, once you log into Uplay account and activate the game, you can freely play it through Steam and the mini version of Uplay does everything in background, it only pops up a splash screen which can be ignored completely. I can understand why people prefer less clients = better, but to me, Uplay games on Steam are actually less intrusive. Besides, I have Steam opened all the time so whenever there's an update, it keeps working in the background and will be ready once I wanna play. That's why even though I already own R6 Siege on Uplay, I paid a bit more for Siege starter edition to have the game on Steam, it's all about convenience.

 

[cvv]

Well Steam's regional pricing is one legit reason to buy on Steam I suppose. Funnily enough the European Commission is suing Valve for offering regional pricing in my poorfag country (Czechia), saying it's unfair to Germans and Brits since their games are more expensive and the Yuro market musst be united. United I say! Ein Volk, Ein Reich, Ein Fuhrer!

Btw Belegarsson, you Vietnamese or just living in Vietnam?

 

[Belegarsson]

I'm Vietnamese, that's probably one of the reasons why I'm biased against Epic Store :D

 

[MadMaxHellfire]

Well Steam's regional pricing is one legit reason to buy on Steam I suppose. Funnily enough the European Commission is suing Valve for offering regional pricing in my poorfag country (Czechia), saying it's unfair to Germans and Brits since their games are more expensive and the Yuro market musst be united. United I say! Ein Volk, Ein Reich, Ein Fuhrer!

Btw Belegarsson, you Vietnamese or just living in Vietnam?

don't be an ass, eu is suing against the inability for others to access the lower prices, which is against eu regulations, not the other way around.

 

[whydoibother]

Oh well, I guess its time to post the manifesto again.

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[thesheeep]

Well Steam's regional pricing is one legit reason to buy on Steam I suppose. Funnily enough the European Commission is suing Valve for offering regional pricing in my poorfag country (Czechia), saying it's unfair to Germans and Brits since their games are more expensive and the Yuro market musst be united. United I say! Ein Volk, Ein Reich, Ein Fuhrer!

Btw Belegarsson, you Vietnamese or just living in Vietnam?

don't be an ass, eu is suing against the possibility for others to access the lower prices, which is against eu regulations, not the other way around.

Wow, the amount of ignorance surrounding this is kinda staggering, and fueled by Valve's absurd panic spreading, had this same discussion already.
The only thing EU wants to remove is region locking (which is applied to about 3% of games on Steam) within the EU. So that you are able to buy a game in EU country 1 and play it in EU country 2 (which region locking prevents).
Nothing in this even affects 97% of games on Steam. And even if it would affect this one, all it would change is that now you could buy the game somewhere cheap (via VPN or otherwise) and play it wherever you are (within the EU, anyway). Or the publisher would decide that they should raise the price in the cheaper countries, which would lose them a ton of sales from said countries, just to prevent people from other countries to get it there cheaper - would be a dumb as hell move, financially, but I guess that is theoretically possible.

 

[MadMaxHellfire]

Well Steam's regional pricing is one legit reason to buy on Steam I suppose. Funnily enough the European Commission is suing Valve for offering regional pricing in my poorfag country (Czechia), saying it's unfair to Germans and Brits since their games are more expensive and the Yuro market musst be united. United I say! Ein Volk, Ein Reich, Ein Fuhrer!

Btw Belegarsson, you Vietnamese or just living in Vietnam?

don't be an ass, eu is suing against the possibility for others to access the lower prices, which is against eu regulations, not the other way around.

Wow, the amount of ignorance surrounding this is kinda staggering, and fueled by Valve's absurd panic spreading, had this same discussion already.
The only thing EU wants to remove is region locking (which is applied to about 3% of games on Steam) within the EU. So that you are able to buy a game in EU country 1 and play it in EU country 2 (which region locking prevents).
Nothing in this even affects 97% of games on Steam. And even if it would affect this one, all it would change is that now you could buy the game somewhere cheap (via VPN or otherwise) and play it wherever you are (within the EU, anyway). Or the publisher would decide that they should raise the price in the cheaper countries, which would lose them a ton of sales from said countries, just to prevent people from other countries to get it there cheaper - would be a dumb as hell move, financially, but I guess that is theoretically possible.

which is exactly what i said :V

 

[cvv]

don't be an ass, eu is suing against the inability for others to access the lower prices, which is against eu regulations, not the other way around.

Yes, that's actually exactly what I said lol.

The only thing EU wants to remove is region locking (which is applied to about 3% of games on Steam)

Region locking is a part of regional pricing bro. Can't have the latter without the former, obviously. And talking about 3% games is muddying the waters with statistics, the oldest trick ever. What it probably actually means is it's true for most games that matter, not the mountains of worthless trash Steam has been hosting for years how.

 

[fantadomat]

Oh well, I guess its time to post the manifesto again.

动态网自由门 天安門 天安门 法輪功 李洪志 Free Tibet 六四天安門事件 The Tiananmen Square protests of 1989 天安門大屠殺 The Tiananmen Square Massacre 反右派鬥爭 The Anti-Rightist Struggle 大躍進政策 The Great Leap Forward 文化大革命 The Great Proletarian Cultural Revolution 人權 Human Rights 民運 Democratization 自由 Freedom 獨立 Independence 多黨制 Multi-party system 台灣 臺灣 Taiwan Formosa 中華民國 Republic of China 西藏 土伯特 唐古特 Tibet 達賴喇嘛 Dalai Lama 法輪功 Falun Dafa 新疆維吾爾自治區 The Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region 諾貝爾和平獎 Nobel Peace Prize 劉暁波 Liu Xiaobo 民主 言論 思想 反共 反革命 抗議 運動 騷亂 暴亂 騷擾 擾亂 抗暴 平反 維權 示威游行 李洪志 法輪大法 大法弟子 強制斷種 強制堕胎 民族淨化 人體實驗 肅清 胡耀邦 趙紫陽 魏京生 王丹 還政於民 和平演變 激流中國 北京之春 大紀元時報 九評論共産黨 獨裁 專制 壓制 統一 監視 鎮壓 迫害 侵略 掠奪 破壞 拷問 屠殺 活摘器官 誘拐 買賣人口 遊進 走私 毒品 賣淫 春畫 賭博 六合彩 天安門 天安门 法輪功 李洪志 Free Tibet 劉曉波动态网自由门

We are not in WoW,they won't log off all the asians.

 

[thesheeep]

The only thing EU wants to remove is region locking (which is applied to about 3% of games on Steam)

Region locking is a part of regional pricing bro. Can't have the latter without the former, obviously.

It is very obvious that you do not know what regional pricing is. Or what region locks are (which I explained it my post). Or both.
Either way, please do not talk about things you possess no knowledge of. Better stick to RPGs, not financials or IT.

Region lock = Can only play/activate (afaik depends on the game) a game in the region it was bought
Regional pricing = Different prices depending on your region (which the EU obviously has nothing against or you couldn't order cross-country for cheaper prices)

The second has absolutely nothing to do with the first. You do not need to lock anything to have different prices for different regions. Nor do you need any locks to detect regions.

And talking about 3% games is muddying the waters with statistics, the oldest trick ever. What it probably actually means is it's true for most games that matter, not the mountains of worthless trash Steam has been hosting for years how.

Do you have any proof for your absurd claims? Rhetorical question, I know by now you got no clue what you're talking about.
97% of games not being affected means 97% of games not being affected, nothing more and nothing less.

Though I wouldn't be surprised if it would mostly be for games by publishers that put crap like Denuvo in their games, because they keep believing in fairytales.
People should be happy EU is trying to put an end to at least one of their schemes

 

[cvv]

It is very obvious that you do not know what regional pricing is. Or what region locks are (which I explained it my post). Or both.
Either way, please do not talk about things you possess no knowledge of. Better stick to RPGs, not financials or IT.

Region lock = Can only play/activate (afaik depends on the game) a game in the region it was bought
Regional pricing = Different prices depending on your region (which the EU obviously has nothing against or you couldn't order cross-country for cheaper prices)

The second has absolutely nothing to do with the first.

Wait, you can't be seriously that dumb. This is a slightly delayed April's fool joke right?

 

[thesheeep]

It is very obvious that you do not know what regional pricing is. Or what region locks are (which I explained it my post). Or both.
Either way, please do not talk about things you possess no knowledge of. Better stick to RPGs, not financials or IT.

Region lock = Can only play/activate (afaik depends on the game) a game in the region it was bought
Regional pricing = Different prices depending on your region (which the EU obviously has nothing against or you couldn't order cross-country for cheaper prices)

The second has absolutely nothing to do with the first.

Wait, you can't be seriously that dumb. This is a slightly delayed April's fool joke right?

https://www.steamregionalprices.com/

Just look at these (actually lets you check all others as well) and tell me how many of those games with different regional prices (which might be almost every game?) are also region locked within the EU.
If it is not 100%, then region locking is not at all a part of regional pricing, as you claim.
But instead something entirely unrelated that doesn't even need regional pricing to function.

Oh, hey, look:
https://steamlocked.com/list

Good luck trying to somehow get out of the argumentative grave you dug yourself.

 

[cvv]

Wait, you can't be seriously that dumb. This is a slightly delayed April's fool joke right?
https://www.steamregionalprices.com/

Just look at these (actually lets you check all others as well) and tell me how many of those games with different regional prices (which might be almost every game?) are also region locked within the EU.
If it is not 100%, then region locking is not at all a part of regional pricing, as you claim.
But instead something entirely unrelated that doesn't even need regional pricing to function.

Oh, hey, look:
https://steamlocked.com/list

Good luck trying to somehow get out of the argumentative grave you dug yourself.

You're incredible thesheeep, best fun I've had this week.

That list of yours, how to put it....those are not the "regional prices" you're looking for

 

[thesheeep]

You're incredible thesheeep, best fun I've had this week.

That list of yours, how to put it....those are not the "regional prices" you're looking for

Oh, you mean the site that collects all regional prices from Steam does not have the regional prices for Steam?
That's... actually correct, they do not list all the prices, only for about five main regions. Wtf, indeed.
Still, you can use https://www.steamprices.com/ to check for more.

So using https://www.steamprices.com/ in combination with https://steamlocked.com/list you can check which games have different prices as well as are region locked.
A bit cumbersome, admittedly, but the vast majority of those I checked simply do not have inner-EU region locking despite having inner-EU different prices. So there goes your theory.