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Another Oblivion Thread

Tintin

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Twinfalls said:
Tintin said:
You are the problem with this world. Congratulations.

I think terrorists, racists, sexists, rapists, thieves, criminals, corrupt politicians, murderers, suicide bombers, and smugglers (and etc etc) are more of a problem to this world than a guy who wants a compass in a video game.

Nah.

I'd much rather be terrorised, villified, raped, robbed, blackmailed, disenfranchised, murdered, suicide-bombed and smuggled

....than see smart games get dumbed down.

Well, at least now we know why you spend all your time on a computer instead of a social life.
 

Rat Keeng

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"Waahhh text and numbers, i want akshun!!!1"

Again, this is steering away from being a role-playing game, and towards being a twitch-twitch player-dependant action game. I think it IS dumbing down, if i have to ponce about, swatting kobolds and goblins, in order to find out what my character can do. And yet again, you're a prisoner, you have a backstory, and your character type is based on what skills and stats you choose. Your character should know what he can and can't do in the game world, and therefore, YOU as the player should know too.
 

TheGreatGodPan

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Re: dumbing down

rushthatspeaks said:
That's irony for you. Some of you say you don't want the game dumbed down but projecting a characters skills, strengths etc through numbers rather than through the characters actions IS dumbing down.
Cavemen must have been geniuses not to express things with numbers. How have we become so much dumber today?
 

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You could have a skill that let's you sense how good they are at whatever. And stuff. They could call it "wussy sense", as in "My wussy sense is tingling! That dude would kick my ass! I'll go find someone smaller to beat on!".

This is effectively what most MMOGs do. Since death can be anything from a fairly dramatic setback to a minor nuisance, it's only fair that the player can reasonably gauge the difficulty of their foe.

Now I'm a big supporter of any feature that is, by design, intended to eliminate a need for saving and loading, but the simplicity of a "consideration" system in a MMOG leaves a lot to be desired. But then again, an acceptable system of player resurrection that fits the game and the setting, without punishing the player too harshly is probably a simpler solution.
 

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You could have a skill that let's you sense how good they are at whatever. And stuff. They could call it "wussy sense", as in "My wussy sense is tingling! That dude would kick my ass! I'll go find someone smaller to beat on!".

That better system is called 'ingame lore'.
Like, what you'll do (unless you are a retarded moron with suicidal tendencies, of course), if you'll head out to explore some terrain?

Find out that to expect there, what creatures/races dwell there, which of them are dangerous/aggressive/poisonous/use magic/fart fire/etc.

Preferably, it should also list their weaknesses, like some have tough skin, but brittle bones, some cannot stand cold, some immune to magic, but will quickly bleed to death from stab wounds in certain bodypart, etc, etc.

And if find out, that all explorers that went there never came back, you should get the idea that it’s better not to go there until you are at the very least as good as they were.

But of course, we cannot possibly expect players to actually READ stuff, right?
Each monster must have a big indicator with comparison of it's and player's level, no more, no less.
...
Well, in case of Oblivion, for instance, we have voiced dialogues, so it’s easier for the retarded among us, though.
It’s a bit pointless, though, because it features leveled lists that will not allow you to meet tough enemies anywhere no matter how suicidal you are.
If you, being a total noob, will venture to the deadliest Daedric shrine out there, where entire armies disappeared with as much as screams of terror and agony, you, at the very best, will find a couple of depressed scamps.
 

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Tintin said:
Twinfalls said:
Tintin said:
You are the problem with this world. Congratulations.

I think terrorists, racists, sexists, rapists, thieves, criminals, corrupt politicians, murderers, suicide bombers, and smugglers (and etc etc) are more of a problem to this world than a guy who wants a compass in a video game.

Nah.

I'd much rather be terrorised, villified, raped, robbed, blackmailed, disenfranchised, murdered, suicide-bombed and smuggled

....than see smart games get dumbed down.

Well, at least now we know why you spend all your time on a computer instead of a social life.

En garde, my friend!

For you see I have once again decided to tear you a new asshole! I almost feel sorry for you, because it's just too easy whenever I can be bothered.

With no further adieu:
I HAVE NOTICED YOU POST HERE MORE THAN ANYONE ELSE ON THE FUCKING BOARD. YOU HAVE A LOT OF NERVE TO CALL SOMEONE ELSE A NOLIFE LOSER WHEN YOU NEVER HAVE JACK SHIT TO ADD TO ANY DISCUSSION AND ALL YOU DO IS COMPLAIN ABOUT ALL THE MEAN SMART PEOPLE WHO DON'T LIKE THE DUMBFUCK GAME YOU GO TO RIDICULOUS AND SENSELESS LENGTHS TO DEFEND!

You may not change your moniker and/or kill yourself. Have a nice day.
 

Tintin

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CALL SOMEONE ELSE A NOLIFE LOSER

Did you read his post?

"I'd much rather be terrorised, villified, raped, robbed, blackmailed, disenfranchised, murdered, suicide-bombed and smuggled"
 

bryce777

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Tintin said:
Twinfalls said:
Tintin said:
You are the problem with this world. Congratulations.

I think terrorists, racists, sexists, rapists, thieves, criminals, corrupt politicians, murderers, suicide bombers, and smugglers (and etc etc) are more of a problem to this world than a guy who wants a compass in a video game.

Nah.

I'd much rather be terrorised, villified, raped, robbed, blackmailed, disenfranchised, murdered, suicide-bombed and smuggled

....than see smart games get dumbed down.

Well, at least now we know why you spend all your time on a computer instead of a social life.

En garde, my friend!

For you see, I have once again decided to tear you a new asshole! I almost feel sorry for you, because it's just too easy whenever I can be bothered.

With no further adieu:
I HAVE NOTICED YOU POST HERE MORE THAN ANYONE ELSE ON THE FUCKING BOARD. YOU HAVE A LOT OF NERVE TO CALL SOMEONE ELSE A NOLIFE LOSER WHEN YOU NEVER HAVE JACK SHIT TO ADD TO ANY DISCUSSION AND ALL YOU DO IS COMPLAIN ABOUT ALL THE MEAN SMART PEOPLE WHO DON'T LIKE THE DUMBFUCK GAME YOU GO TO RIDICULOUS AND SENSELESS LENGTHS TO DEFEND!

You may not change your moniker and/or kill yourself. Have a nice day.
 

bryce777

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Tintin said:
Twinfalls said:
Tintin said:
You are the problem with this world. Congratulations.

I think terrorists, racists, sexists, rapists, thieves, criminals, corrupt politicians, murderers, suicide bombers, and smugglers (and etc etc) are more of a problem to this world than a guy who wants a compass in a video game.

Nah.

I'd much rather be terrorised, villified, raped, robbed, blackmailed, disenfranchised, murdered, suicide-bombed and smuggled

....than see smart games get dumbed down.

Well, at least now we know why you spend all your time on a computer instead of a social life.

En garde, my friend!

For you see, I have once again decided to tear you a new asshole! I almost feel sorry for you, because it's just too easy whenever I can be bothered.

With no further adieu:
I HAVE NOTICED YOU POST HERE MORE THAN ANYONE ELSE ON THE FUCKING BOARD. YOU HAVE A LOT OF NERVE TO CALL SOMEONE ELSE A NOLIFE LOSER WHEN YOU NEVER HAVE JACK SHIT TO ADD TO ANY DISCUSSION AND ALL YOU DO IS COMPLAIN ABOUT ALL THE MEAN SMART PEOPLE WHO DON'T LIKE THE DUMBFUCK GAME YOU GO TO RIDICULOUS AND SENSELESS LENGTHS TO DEFEND!

You may now change your moniker and/or kill yourself. Have a nice day.
 

Tintin

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I HAVE NOTICED YOU POST HERE MORE THAN ANYONE ELSE ON THE FUCKING BOARD.

Not really.

. YOU HAVE A LOT OF NERVE TO CALL SOMEONE ELSE A NOLIFE LOSE

Did you read his post? "I'd much rather be terrorised, villified, raped, robbed, blackmailed, disenfranchised, murdered, suicide-bombed and smuggled"
 

bryce777

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Tintin said:
Twinfalls said:
Tintin said:
You are the problem with this world. Congratulations.

I think terrorists, racists, sexists, rapists, thieves, criminals, corrupt politicians, murderers, suicide bombers, and smugglers (and etc etc) are more of a problem to this world than a guy who wants a compass in a video game.

Nah.

I'd much rather be terrorised, villified, raped, robbed, blackmailed, disenfranchised, murdered, suicide-bombed and smuggled

....than see smart games get dumbed down.

Well, at least now we know why you spend all your time on a computer instead of a social life.

En garde, my friend!

For you see, I have once again decided to tear you a new asshole! I almost feel sorry for you, because it's just too easy whenever I can be bothered.

With no further adieu:
I HAVE NOTICED YOU POST HERE MORE THAN ANYONE ELSE ON THE FUCKING BOARD. YOU HAVE A LOT OF NERVE TO CALL SOMEONE ELSE A NOLIFE LOSER WHEN YOU NEVER HAVE JACK SHIT TO ADD TO ANY DISCUSSION AND ALL YOU DO IS COMPLAIN ABOUT ALL THE MEAN SMART PEOPLE WHO DON'T LIKE THE DUMBFUCK GAME YOU GO TO RIDICULOUS AND SENSELESS LENGTHS TO DEFEND!

You may now change your moniker and/or kill yourself. Have a nice day.
 

NeutralMilkHotel

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bryce777 said:
Tintin said:
Twinfalls said:
Tintin said:
You are the problem with this world. Congratulations.

I think terrorists, racists, sexists, rapists, thieves, criminals, corrupt politicians, murderers, suicide bombers, and smugglers (and etc etc) are more of a problem to this world than a guy who wants a compass in a video game.

Nah.

I'd much rather be terrorised, villified, raped, robbed, blackmailed, disenfranchised, murdered, suicide-bombed and smuggled

....than see smart games get dumbed down.

Well, at least now we know why you spend all your time on a computer instead of a social life.

ima tuff guy duuurr

You may now change your moniker and/or kill yourself. Have a nice day.

You're hardly one to tear anyone a new asshole, with the sole exception of yourself.

In any case, someone like Angler (or chefe now or something) or Sandefron (or something similar) post three times as much as him, going great lengths to bash this "dumbfuck" game (even photoshopping pics and making gifs). They don't seem any smarter than Tintin or whoever defends this game, though they may act more like whiny bitches with anger issues. But, of cource, no one can match your unrivalled intellect and razor sharp wit.
 

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NeutralMilkHotel said:
bryce777 said:
Tintin said:
Twinfalls said:
Tintin said:
You are the problem with this world. Congratulations.

I think terrorists, racists, sexists, rapists, thieves, criminals, corrupt politicians, murderers, suicide bombers, and smugglers (and etc etc) are more of a problem to this world than a guy who wants a compass in a video game.

Nah.

I'd much rather be terrorised, villified, raped, robbed, blackmailed, disenfranchised, murdered, suicide-bombed and smuggled

....than see smart games get dumbed down.

Well, at least now we know why you spend all your time on a computer instead of a social life.

ima tuff guy duuurr

You may now change your moniker and/or kill yourself. Have a nice day.

You're hardly one to tear anyone a new asshole, with the sole exception of yourself.

In any case, someone like Angler (or chefe now or something) or Sandefron (or something similar) post three times as much as him, going great lengths to bash this "dumbfuck" game (even photoshopping pics and making gifs). They don't seem any smarter than Tintin or whoever defends this game, though they may act more like whiny bitches with anger issues. But, of cource, no one can match your unrivalled intellect and razor sharp wit.

Well, you certainly can't, and if you didn't get a laugh from my post, you really should kill yourself.

As for being smart, I have no doubt I am much smarter than you at least. You have the linear thinking of a calculator, but without the same margin of error.

SUCK IT N00B.
 

NeutralMilkHotel

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bryce777 said:
NeutralMilkHotel said:
bryce777 said:
Tintin said:
Twinfalls said:
Tintin said:
You are the problem with this world. Congratulations.

I think terrorists, racists, sexists, rapists, thieves, criminals, corrupt politicians, murderers, suicide bombers, and smugglers (and etc etc) are more of a problem to this world than a guy who wants a compass in a video game.

Nah.

I'd much rather be terrorised, villified, raped, robbed, blackmailed, disenfranchised, murdered, suicide-bombed and smuggled

....than see smart games get dumbed down.

Well, at least now we know why you spend all your time on a computer instead of a social life.

ima tuff guy duuurr

You may now change your moniker and/or kill yourself. Have a nice day.

You're hardly one to tear anyone a new asshole, with the sole exception of yourself.

In any case, someone like Angler (or chefe now or something) or Sandefron (or something similar) post three times as much as him, going great lengths to bash this "dumbfuck" game (even photoshopping pics and making gifs). They don't seem any smarter than Tintin or whoever defends this game, though they may act more like whiny bitches with anger issues. But, of cource, no one can match your unrivalled intellect and razor sharp wit.

Well, you certainly can't, and if you didn't get a laugh from my post, you really should kill yourself.

As for being smart, I have no doubt I am much smarter than you at least. You have the linear thinking of a calculator, but without the same margin of error.

SUCK IT N00B.

Yeah, "SUCK IT N00B" really hits close to home. The unparalleled Bryce wit shows itself again...
 

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NeutralMilkHotel said:
bryce777 said:
NeutralMilkHotel said:
bryce777 said:
Tintin said:
Twinfalls said:
Tintin said:
You are the problem with this world. Congratulations.

I think terrorists, racists, sexists, rapists, thieves, criminals, corrupt politicians, murderers, suicide bombers, and smugglers (and etc etc) are more of a problem to this world than a guy who wants a compass in a video game.

Nah.

I'd much rather be terrorised, villified, raped, robbed, blackmailed, disenfranchised, murdered, suicide-bombed and smuggled

....than see smart games get dumbed down.

Well, at least now we know why you spend all your time on a computer instead of a social life.

ima tuff guy duuurr

You may now change your moniker and/or kill yourself. Have a nice day.

You're hardly one to tear anyone a new asshole, with the sole exception of yourself.

In any case, someone like Angler (or chefe now or something) or Sandefron (or something similar) post three times as much as him, going great lengths to bash this "dumbfuck" game (even photoshopping pics and making gifs). They don't seem any smarter than Tintin or whoever defends this game, though they may act more like whiny bitches with anger issues. But, of cource, no one can match your unrivalled intellect and razor sharp wit.

Well, you certainly can't, and if you didn't get a laugh from my post, you really should kill yourself.

As for being smart, I have no doubt I am much smarter than you at least. You have the linear thinking of a calculator, but without the same margin of error.

SUCK IT N00B.

Yeah, "SUCK IT N00B" really hits close to home. And the unparalleled Bryce wit shows itself again...

Again, my brilliance escapes your tiny mind which is incapable of thinking outside its tiny little cage.

You are not smart enough to know how stupid you look, much like our friend tintin here.
 

NeutralMilkHotel

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bryce777 said:
Again, my brilliance escapes your tiny mind which is incapable of thinking outside its tiny little cage.

You are not smart enough to know how stupid you look, much like our friend tintin here.

Yeah, shame I don't have the humor and intelligence of a middle schooler, it's really hurting my internet persona rep.
 

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bryce777 said:
NeutralMilkHotel said:
bryce777 said:
NeutralMilkHotel said:
bryce777 said:
Tintin said:
Twinfalls said:
Tintin said:
You are the problem with this world. Congratulations.

I think terrorists, racists, sexists, rapists, thieves, criminals, corrupt politicians, murderers, suicide bombers, and smugglers (and etc etc) are more of a problem to this world than a guy who wants a compass in a video game.

Nah.

I'd much rather be terrorised, villified, raped, robbed, blackmailed, disenfranchised, murdered, suicide-bombed and smuggled

....than see smart games get dumbed down.

Well, at least now we know why you spend all your time on a computer instead of a social life.

ima tuff guy duuurr

You may now change your moniker and/or kill yourself. Have a nice day.

You're hardly one to tear anyone a new asshole, with the sole exception of yourself.

In any case, someone like Angler (or chefe now or something) or Sandefron (or something similar) post three times as much as him, going great lengths to bash this "dumbfuck" game (even photoshopping pics and making gifs). They don't seem any smarter than Tintin or whoever defends this game, though they may act more like whiny bitches with anger issues. But, of cource, no one can match your unrivalled intellect and razor sharp wit.

Well, you certainly can't, and if you didn't get a laugh from my post, you really should kill yourself.

As for being smart, I have no doubt I am much smarter than you at least. You have the linear thinking of a calculator, but without the same margin of error.

SUCK IT N00B.

Yeah, "SUCK IT N00B" really hits close to home. And the unparalleled Bryce wit shows itself again...

Again, my brilliance escapes your tiny mind which is incapable of thinking outside its tiny little cage.

You are not smart enough to know how stupid you look, much like our friend tintin here.

You know what I love? Stupidly long quotes within quotes.

Can't we all just get along?
 

bryce777

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Chefe said:
bryce777 said:
NeutralMilkHotel said:
bryce777 said:
NeutralMilkHotel said:
bryce777 said:
Tintin said:
Twinfalls said:
Tintin said:
You are the problem with this world. Congratulations.

I think terrorists, racists, sexists, rapists, thieves, criminals, corrupt politicians, murderers, suicide bombers, and smugglers (and etc etc) are more of a problem to this world than a guy who wants a compass in a video game.

Nah.

I'd much rather be terrorised, villified, raped, robbed, blackmailed, disenfranchised, murdered, suicide-bombed and smuggled


....than see smart games get dumbed down.

Well, at least now we know why you spend all your time on a computer instead of a social life.

ima tuff guy duuurr

You may now change your moniker and/or kill yourself. Have a nice day.

You're hardly one to tear anyone a new asshole, with the sole exception of yourself.

In any case, someone like Angler (or chefe now or something) or Sandefron (or something similar) post three times as much as him, going great lengths to bash this "dumbfuck" game (even photoshopping pics and making gifs). They don't seem any smarter than Tintin or whoever defends this game, though they may act more like whiny bitches with anger issues. But, of cource, no one can match your unrivalled intellect and razor sharp wit.

Well, you certainly can't, and if you didn't get a laugh from my post, you really should kill yourself.

As for being smart, I have no doubt I am much smarter than you at least. You have the linear thinking of a calculator, but without the same margin of error.

SUCK IT N00B.

Yeah, "SUCK IT N00B" really hits close to home. And the unparalleled Bryce wit shows itself again...

Again, my brilliance escapes your tiny mind which is incapable of thinking outside its tiny little cage.

You are not smart enough to know how stupid you look, much like our friend tintin here.

You know what I love? Stupidly long quotes within quotes.

Can't we all just get along?

Nobody puts baby in a corner!
 
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Good luck

Hope you all enjoy oblivion. If Oblivion has too much action for you, there's always those turned based RPG's made in Japan. PLENTY of numbers, very little action. Man, I can't play those games, they're WAAYYY too smart for me. I'll be playing the way dumbed down Oblivion, dumb ass I am. That is if I can figure out how to hold my joystick. You can all go masturbate to numbers on a screen.
 

HardCode

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Re: Good luck

rushthatspeaks said:
Hope you all enjoy oblivion. If Oblivion has too much action for you, there's always those turned based RPG's made in Japan. PLENTY of numbers, very little action. Man, I can't play those games, they're WAAYYY too smart for me. I'll be playing the way dumbed down Oblivion, dumb ass I am. That is if I can figure out how to hold my joystick. You can all go masturbate to numbers on a screen.

Don't be a stupid ass. No one (almost no one) is complaining about the game having action. People are complaining that the action is based off of less skills than Morrowind, or action based on NO skill at all (cast speed, providing this is a constant cast speed as seen in the DVD demo)). I love the action, as long as Axe action is driven by an Axe skill, Short Blade action is driven by a Short Blade skill, and Mace action is driven by a Blunt Weapon skill.

Why can't the narrow minds understand that the underlying stats/numbers/etc are the foundation of the game. Slapping nicey-nice graphics on something doesn't make a game, unless you are in the ADHD demographic.
 

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Wrong, actually a lot of people here are complaining about too much action per se, from what I have seen. I am not here to defend Bethesda, I would not have merged those skills either. BUT, I honestly don't think it will be any detriment to my enjoying the game. The only effect is an unnaturally large amount of "crosstraining" now (between a claymore and a dagger, an axe and a mace), while before there was way too little (between a short and a longsword, an axe and a mace). Now if spears are really out, that would be indeed lamentable - i like long spiky weapons.
 

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