Eternity Avowed - Obsidian's first person action-RPG in the Pillars of Eternity setting - coming February 18th

[Ryzer]

So can Avowed be the Baldurs gate 3 killer or will we have to wait for Dragon Age 4

The only thing DA4 is gonna kill is itself.

It will be a good laughing stock for years to come.

 

[deuxhero]

You think people still care enough about DA to remember it a month after launch?

 

[Butter]

Expect DA4 player count to drop 41% after the first week.

 

[cvv]

I honestly expect the same exact scenario with DA4 as what happened with Starfield.

Game launches, fanboys and many journos (game will be packed to the gills with The Message) will be waxing lyrically, but already dark reality starts creeping into the candy Barbie world of "wooow this game is amaaazing" and soon the whole edifice comes crashing down and the game ends up sitting at Mixed of Mostly Negative on Steam.

 

[Zombra]

prognostication x 1

 

[Gargaune]

I honestly expect the same exact scenario with DA4 as what happened with Starfield.

Game launches, fanboys and many journos (game will be packed to the gills with The Message) will be waxing lyrically, but already dark reality starts creeping into the candy Barbie world of "wooow this game is amaaazing" and soon the whole edifice comes crashing down and the game ends up sitting at Mixed of Mostly Negative on Steam.

That also depends on brand reach. If you're only selling to the faithful, it's less likely you'll get overwhelming blowback as they struggle to keep buyer's remorse at bay. Which, in turn, might prevent the backlash from reaching the sort of Internet Phenomenon™ avalanche that Cyberpunk or Starfield got snowed under. If you sell to everyone, well... fuck you and the horse your rode in on.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that I don't think a lot of people give a shit about Avowed, which ironically might be safer for Obsidian's prospects under Microsoft than if they did.

 

[Child of Malkav]

Expect DA4 player count to drop 41% after the first week.

Hm, apparently it's been up to 52% since 2018.
2018
And in 2021.
2021

 

[KeighnMcDeath]

- Tries to post low-effort cringe humor trailer.

- Trailer is clearly high-budget, high effort, unfunny.

Bitches please. This is how you do it.

I spent no money/fucks on the below shit and it shows.

I've seen those sprites in at least 4 different games, it def shows

How the fuck I miss that KS? I must’ve been really depressed. Well, I’ll just wait for itchio release.

 

[Assisted Living Godzilla]

I honestly expect the same exact scenario with DA4 as what happened with Starfield.

Game launches, fanboys and many journos (game will be packed to the gills with The Message) will be waxing lyrically, but already dark reality starts creeping into the candy Barbie world of "wooow this game is amaaazing" and soon the whole edifice comes crashing down and the game ends up sitting at Mixed of Mostly Negative on Steam.

Unless the action gameplay hits some massive improvement between the leak and launch I don’t expect any lyrical waxing to be going on. Not unless there’s some unknown aspect of the game for them to do that over.

They’re throwing their hat in the arena of action gameplay, melee action gameplay, and it looked terrible in the leak. Dragon Age 4 is going to be judged against all the various Hack & Slash games on the market, and it doesn’t look like it’s going to come out looking good if the bit of leaked gameplay we saw last year is any indication.

 

[scytheavatar]

So can Avowed be the Baldurs gate 3 killer or will we have to wait for Dragon Age 4

Dreadwolf is aiming to be a God of War killer, if it ends up being the best game ever made it would become the game Yoshi-P wanted FFXVI to be rather than some BG3 killer. Avowed originally was aiming to be a Skyrim killer but now that they have downgraded the game to being a medieval The Outer Worlds it seems being an Outer Worlds killer is the best they can hope for.

Basically the game with the best chance of being a BG3 killer is the next game Larian is making.

 

[Zombra]

Quick question, what are you guys talking about?

 

[Kem0sabe]

I honestly expect the same exact scenario with DA4 as what happened with Starfield.

Game launches, fanboys and many journos (game will be packed to the gills with The Message) will be waxing lyrically, but already dark reality starts creeping into the candy Barbie world of "wooow this game is amaaazing" and soon the whole edifice comes crashing down and the game ends up sitting at Mixed of Mostly Negative on Steam.

Unless the action gameplay hits some massive improvement between the leak and launch I don’t expect any lyrical waxing to be going on. Not unless there’s some unknown aspect of the game for them to do that over.

They’re throwing their hat in the arena of action gameplay, melee action gameplay, and it looked terrible in the leak. Dragon Age 4 is going to be judged against all the various Hack & Slash games on the market, and it doesn’t look like it’s going to come out looking good if the bit of leaked gameplay we saw last year is any indication.

After what dragon's dogma 2 has been showing in gameplay videos, bioware and Obsidian should be ashamed by the shit they are peddling as "action rpg combat" in their next AAA RPGs.

 

[Häyhä]

Quick question, what are you guys talking about?

 

[Roguey]

After what dragon's dogma 2 has been showing in gameplay videos, bioware and Obsidian should be ashamed by the shit they are peddling as "action rpg combat" in their next AAA RPGs.

They have different priorities.

 

[Zeriel]

After what dragon's dogma 2 has been showing in gameplay videos, bioware and Obsidian should be ashamed by the shit they are peddling as "action rpg combat" in their next AAA RPGs.

They have different priorities.

My favorite excuse. Imagine it in other arenas of life.

"We had different priorities than winning the war. If only you understood the avant garde art piece we were constructing at Saigon."

 

[Roguey]

My favorite excuse. Imagine it in other arenas of life.

"We had different priorities than winning the war. If only you understood the avant garde art piece we were constructing at Saigon."

I liked Dragon's Dogma well enough but it's not giving me what I want when I want to play a Bioware or Obsidian-branded game. All games/studios have different priorities, some are going to be more suited for what you want than others.

 

[scytheavatar]

I honestly expect the same exact scenario with DA4 as what happened with Starfield.

Game launches, fanboys and many journos (game will be packed to the gills with The Message) will be waxing lyrically, but already dark reality starts creeping into the candy Barbie world of "wooow this game is amaaazing" and soon the whole edifice comes crashing down and the game ends up sitting at Mixed of Mostly Negative on Steam.

Unless the action gameplay hits some massive improvement between the leak and launch I don’t expect any lyrical waxing to be going on. Not unless there’s some unknown aspect of the game for them to do that over.

They’re throwing their hat in the arena of action gameplay, melee action gameplay, and it looked terrible in the leak. Dragon Age 4 is going to be judged against all the various Hack & Slash games on the market, and it doesn’t look like it’s going to come out looking good if the bit of leaked gameplay we saw last year is any indication.

After what dragon's dogma 2 has been showing in gameplay videos, bioware and Obsidian should be ashamed by the shit they are peddling as "action rpg combat" in their next AAA RPGs.

What have they been showing in gameplay videos? As I said in the DD2 thread, the original DD was a 7.5/10 game with some cool ideas but design issues which go beyond it being jank. And DD2 seems to be DD1.5 more than some effort to make an actual good game.

 

[Zeriel]

My favorite excuse. Imagine it in other arenas of life.

"We had different priorities than winning the war. If only you understood the avant garde art piece we were constructing at Saigon."

I liked Dragon's Dogma well enough but it's not giving me what I want when I want to play a Bioware or Obsidian-branded game. All games/studios have different priorities, some are going to be more suited for what you want than others.

I'd agree if Bioware or Obsidian made the same type of games they used to, but they really don't.

What even IS a Bioware game at this point? Their latest entries are Andromeda, fucking Anthem... and apparently Dreadwolf is gonna be some Dark Souls type game. They just keep copying other popular games and failing at making them. Obsidian is less copy-happy, but they also seem to be doubling down in avoiding doing what used to make their games popular and provide them a niche.

 

[Silverfish]

I liked Dragon's Dogma well enough but it's not giving me what I want when I want to play a Bioware or Obsidian-branded game.

I've played Dragon's Dogma for hours at a time without crashes, so it falls comedically short of the Obsidian experience.

 

[Assisted Living Godzilla]

I honestly expect the same exact scenario with DA4 as what happened with Starfield.

Game launches, fanboys and many journos (game will be packed to the gills with The Message) will be waxing lyrically, but already dark reality starts creeping into the candy Barbie world of "wooow this game is amaaazing" and soon the whole edifice comes crashing down and the game ends up sitting at Mixed of Mostly Negative on Steam.

Unless the action gameplay hits some massive improvement between the leak and launch I don’t expect any lyrical waxing to be going on. Not unless there’s some unknown aspect of the game for them to do that over.

They’re throwing their hat in the arena of action gameplay, melee action gameplay, and it looked terrible in the leak. Dragon Age 4 is going to be judged against all the various Hack & Slash games on the market, and it doesn’t look like it’s going to come out looking good if the bit of leaked gameplay we saw last year is any indication.

After what dragon's dogma 2 has been showing in gameplay videos, bioware and Obsidian should be ashamed by the shit they are peddling as "action rpg combat" in their next AAA RPGs.

Forget Dragon’s Dogma 2, the first game was 11 years ago now and they still can’t touch it.

I do find it kind of interesting that Ubisoft kind of seems like they’re trying to do it in their most recent Assassin’s Creed games. But the combat in something like Valhalla is so far behind Dragon’s Dogma it’s not even comparable.

 

[Zombra]

What. The fuck. Are you guys. Talking about.

 

[Cross]

My favorite excuse. Imagine it in other arenas of life.

"We had different priorities than winning the war. If only you understood the avant garde art piece we were constructing at Saigon."

I liked Dragon's Dogma well enough but it's not giving me what I want when I want to play a Bioware or Obsidian-branded game. All games/studios have different priorities, some are going to be more suited for what you want than others.

So copying Dragon's Dogma would be bad and creatively bankrupt but meticulously replicating Skyrim's atrocious combat system is fine? Because that's what you're getting with Avowed.

This might end up being such a shitshow that even you won't try to defend it.

 

[cvv]

What. The fuck. Are you guys. Talking about.

We're talking about Avowed.

 

[Roguey]

I'd agree if Bioware or Obsidian made the same type of games they used to, but they really don't.

What even IS a Bioware game at this point? Their latest entries are Andromeda, fucking Anthem... and apparently Dreadwolf is gonna be some Dark Souls type game. They just keep copying other popular games and failing at making them. Obsidian is less copy-happy, but they also seem to be doubling down in avoiding doing what used to make their games popular and provide them a niche.

The Core Obsidian audience is happy with what they're doing considering their Steam user scores, the only clear metric.

I liked Dragon's Dogma well enough but it's not giving me what I want when I want to play a Bioware or Obsidian-branded game.

I've played Dragon's Dogma for hours at a time without crashes, so it falls comedically short of the Obsidian experience.

I haven't experienced a crash in an Obsidian game in over a decade, gramps.

So copying Dragon's Dogma would be bad and creatively bankrupt but meticulously replicating Skyrim's atrocious combat system is fine? Because that's what you're getting with Avowed.

This might end up being such a shitshow that even you won't try to defend it.

Avowed will not be like Skyrim in terms of content, they seem determined to make it an Obsidian game.

I never said anything about being bad or creatively bankrupt. They're choosing not to make a game similar to Dragon's Dogma. They don't do games like that. The DD team is derived from the Devil May Cry sequels and the Monster Hunter series. Those are the kinds of games they're suited for making. It's unlikely they would be able to make an Obsidian-style game Obsidian fans would enjoy just as much.

 

[Russia is over. The end.]

The Core Obsidian audience is happy with what they're doing considering their Steam user scores, the only clear metric.

The only clear metric is their financial success and in their 20+ years of existence they haven't gotten financial independence to fund their own projects. That's called sucking ass and barely making it.

If your core audience is three and a half bums and you think their reviews are a metric of anything,...

Elden Ring got crazy sales not from their "core audience", but from random casuls. BG3 - same deal. You don't understand the business.