Baldur's Gate #BaldurGate: Siege of Dragonspear

[Bubbles]

It would if everyone wasn't Bi in the game.

Hawke's mother was a cishet.

 

[Lacrymas]

It would if everyone wasn't Bi in the game.

I meant that it showed that he was antagonized by rejection, not that he's bi. I think you gain rivalry points if you reject him with either gender. The problem I see, if he didn't react negatively, but you got rivalry points, is that the UI is informing you of stuff that your character wouldn't know and that's bad design.

 

[Western]

If you are going to move from one site to another as soon as it gets corrupted, one day you will run out of sites where to go.

IPv6 allows 3.4×10^38 addresses. So not gonna happen soon.

That wasn't an attack on free speech. You simply ran afoul of restrictions that already were there, that you hadn't noticed before because up to this point your views were comfortably compatible with the corporate mainstream.

It's pretty pointless to move off somewhere else with an opinion when there's almost nobody there to hear it, but that's what's behind this new wave of 'it's not really censorship' , 'no platforming' garbage.

Advocates for this kind of thing tend to see free speech as purely a legal construct, and have no respect for it as a concept or ideal, which is why they're clearly circumventing it by taking away the audience but leaving you free to talk to yourself.

 

[Reinhardt]

Hawke's mother was a cishet.

And she was murdered.

 

[Theldaran]

It would if everyone wasn't Bi in the game.

Hawke's mother was a cishet.

Yeah, how she dared to have children.

 

[Bubbles]

Hawke's mother was a cishet.

And she was murdered.

Sic semper tyrannis.

 

[SionIV]

From the Beamdog Forum.

"Just a note, since it seems to have been ignored: the tweets you're referencing were deleted, and no response was given from either Anita or the (incorrectly mentioned) Jezebel. It was an honest mistake, which has since been remedied."

"Honestly I would hope they would also apologize for their unprofessionalism regarding this stuff. Calling femfreq, Jezbell etc for help via social media was just really stupid."

"I've apologized for this a couple times here on the forums. The tweet you're referring to was deleted shortly after it was posted."

They keep talking about some tweeting that caused a controversy, they even end up apologizing for that tweet, did anyone save it before they removed it?

 

[Excidium II]

From the Beamdog Forum.

"Just a note, since it seems to have been ignored: the tweets you're referencing were deleted, and no response was given from either Anita or the (incorrectly mentioned) Jezebel. It was an honest mistake, which has since been remedied."

"Honestly I would hope they would also apologize for their unprofessionalism regarding this stuff. Calling femfreq, Jezbell etc for help via social media was just really stupid."

"I've apologized for this a couple times here on the forums. The tweet you're referring to was deleted shortly after it was posted."

They keep talking about some tweeting that caused a controversy, they even end up apologizing for that tweet, did anyone save it before they removed it?

http://archive.is/tlJCs

Deleting it did fuck all, the damage was already done by dragging the bulk of SJW vs GG into SoD.

 

[*-*/\--/\~]

Come to think of it, Crapdog just invented a new level of "activism" - not only they bitch about imagined slights, but they do so in imaginary worlds.

 

[SionIV]

From the Beamdog Forum.

"Just a note, since it seems to have been ignored: the tweets you're referencing were deleted, and no response was given from either Anita or the (incorrectly mentioned) Jezebel. It was an honest mistake, which has since been remedied."

"Honestly I would hope they would also apologize for their unprofessionalism regarding this stuff. Calling femfreq, Jezbell etc for help via social media was just really stupid."

"I've apologized for this a couple times here on the forums. The tweet you're referring to was deleted shortly after it was posted."

They keep talking about some tweeting that caused a controversy, they even end up apologizing for that tweet, did anyone save it before they removed it?

http://archive.is/tlJCs

Deleting it did fuck all, the damage was already done by dragging the bulk of SJW vs GG into SoD.

This is why I love the codex, thank you.

 

[Celerity]

It's a lot more than one, dumbfucks. You keep bouncing between me/carl/sjw bullshit/gg bullshit/the actual game. It's great. Far more entertaining than the game itself. The original of course, not the bastarded revision.

Who's Carl? That crazy Planescape Torment and Daggerfall fanboy?

I haven't seen him mention either game recently. I thought he hated Torment though because RPGs are all about combat as we all know and storyfucks should fuck right off. He's far more interested in ToEE and Grim Dawn.

 

[Excidium II]

Come to think of it, Crapdog just invented a new level of "activism" - not only they bitch about imagined slights, but they do so in imaginary worlds.

Yes

 

[MilesBeyond]

Can there be, like, some sort of thread split? So we can read what people actually think about the expansion itself without having to dig through pages of garbage about some pointless controversy?

 

[Bubbles]

http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/inde...eplay-and-mechanics-no-political-crap.108057/

 

[Murk]

You mean like the two page thread only a few entries below this one?

http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/inde...eplay-and-mechanics-no-political-crap.108057/

No, no there can't be.

EDIT: gatdamnit Bubbles ;(

 

[pippin]

Come to think of it, Crapdog just invented a new level of "activism" - not only they bitch about imagined slights, but they do so in imaginary worlds.

I think they just went back to the place where they came from. Just take a peek at the usual fanfiction drivel or how tumblr talks about headcanon, that is, characters being gay because they want them to be gay.

 

[MilesBeyond]

http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/inde...eplay-and-mechanics-no-political-crap.108057/

Durr. I r dum. Cheers mate, thanks.

 

[pippin]

I'd give some credit to the actual content of the game, but men, it's IE. I mean, it's nothing you haven't seen before. In fact I just reinstalled IWD2 just for shit an giggles. I think it's a decent game. 3E in the Infinity Engine is still good enough to interest me. That's is the point: SoD brings nothing worthwile to the table because it's a glorified paid mod. Sad but true, as they say.

 

[Kaucukovnik]

Maybe this thread should be renamed to "Bowdler's Gate" to better distinguish the two.

 

[prodigydancer]

I wanted to find out what the "controversy" was about and watched the tranny scene on YouTube. To be honest, I'm mostly angry about their crappy boring voice acting. It's so irritating that after working on the EEs they still don't even understand what made BG great.

Reciting something slowly in a solemn voice... /sigh Of course, "something" being a Twitter-approved politically correct dogma doesn't help either but your VA makes it all worse by an order of magnitude. That's not BG, guys. This is BG: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrfyOESMFMY

Mommy, I don't feel so good...

 

[SionIV]

"I still wish they'd rather just get an actual trans consultant, especially when there are people, not limited to myself, offering up their help and spending probably longer thinking and writing about it than anyone in Beamdog has time to.

I'd like to do it because I have my finger on the pulse for the most part in terms of the current trans lexicon, tumblr trans communities etc. but I also know how to present these things in a way that's much more approachable for the average person. I spend a lot of time thinking about how to naturally introduce these things, as I don't like when things stick out too much in the wrong way(which I DON'T think Mizhena does, but anyway).

I would like at the least if Amber_Scott and David_Gaider interacted with us a bit more... IMO looking at it now the most important issue is fixing the bugs. I just got my BG1EE saves working again and don't want more stress on that grounds. But having people to do the homework on trans representation could save them a lot of time if they mean to expand her a lot...

I'd love the chance to write some dialogue for her directly even >.< I'd do a ton of work just for a quick plug or thanks, or just to know that there's a decent trans character out there for someone who hasn't seen themselves in a positive role before(though I would question how super heroic a cleric of the Neutral GOD OF WAR could be, "positive" can mean complex and intriguing too). Then if there was one or two other people here to run stuff by... you know it'd end up being fairly solid."

 

[Gay-Lussac]

This is a bit of a simplistic view. Consider that the company is giving you the very avenue in which you wish to express yourself in the first place. If they really wanted to deny you the opportunity, they could just cease operations, and there would be nothing you could do about it. All they owe you is what they agreed to provide in their Terms of Service, which you entered willingly. This holds true specially when alternative services are readily available (and they typically abound in the internet). It's a bit far fetched to state that they're "attacking people's right to express their opinions" when all they're doing is providing a platform which you're willingly electing to use.

I actually think your view is simplistic and very naive.

1. I haven't broken any terms of service and was banned. So when you say that "all they owe me is what they agreed to provide me in terms of service" - well they failed doing that.
2. The only reason Metacritc has any influence on people's choices is because people believe that they will get a fair quick overview of the product - not skewed by politics, payola, etc. That is the whole idea behind the site. If Metacritic can remove any dissenting opinion they disagree with or because X-company payed them to do it, then that undermines the whole concept of their site.
3. Journalists and review sites such as Metacritic have a moral obligation to be neutral - otherwise they are nothing more than propaganda machines.

Basically what you are arguing boils down to this: - Metacritic has terms of service, but they can break those terms of service at their own prorogative. They have no moral obligation to do anything. If you don't like it, go somewhere else - there are plenty of other sites you can use!

Yes son, there are plenty of other sites I can use, but you missed the point I was making. My argument never was that the free speech has been removed. My argument was that this is an attcak on free speech. If you are going to move from one site to another as soon as it gets corrupted, one day you will run out of sites where to go. As I said, I think you have to be a complete dunce in order not to see the damage SJWs have done to freedom of speech, and Metacritic banning people on behalf of Beamdog is just another example of these attacks.

Father, you're talking about moral obligations and Metacritic breaking their own ToS (which you never read) based on some vague personal notion of justice, and I'm the one who's naive?

The fact is you have absolutely no idea what's actually written in there - I would bet money that it says they reserve the right to remove reviews for any number of reasons. If you had read it, you'd know that you're dealing with a website that's "sanitized" and, as a result, possibly biased. Yet, you entered it willingly. Nobody is forcing you to use a review aggregator that's free from developer death threats and spam from internet crusaders who have obviously not played the game (and that's what you get if there was 0 moderation).

What you can do now is denounce them for having misused that moderation by having removed your own review, just drop the notion that you're entitled to say whatever you want on other people's private domains. I doubt most people would seriously care about allegations of bias anyway when the site still contains over 200 negative reviews citing that BG is shit because it's a SJW game, but feel free to vent your spleen.

Your last paragraph is basically entirely compatible with what I said about consumerist rights, so absolutely no clue why you put that in your reply as if I had "missed the point", when I'm in fact agreeing with you; all I argued was that imposing regulations on private institutions is to be seen not as the default, but as an exceptional measure when free market conditions effectively disappear - which is exactly the scenario you described. This is also a defense of freedom.

If I had to guess, dad, you only mentioned that last bit because you're infatuated with winning Internet fights and you really like the sound of your passive-agressive voice.

 

[SionIV]

I'm positive that Beamdog is regretting opening that can of worms right now. The forum is full with people wanting more LGBT, Black, Furry and whatever not characters. They are even talking about wanting Beamdog to get one or more consultant for these characters.

"Hey now, they always had a one black guy portrait to make their quota. BG2 throws in an Asian and a native American to branch out. Beamdog took it even further in the Enhanced editions and threw in another brother with the new portrait pack. I was hoping for at least 5brothers to choose from but I am glad the "white guilt" still functions to at least give us a new brother in the game."

"But I don't think it's a stretch to get on a trans consultant at all - it's sort of standard practice now since it's a sensitive thing. I'm talking more someone to read over the existing dialogue, or to come to and say "what might she say in this scenario?" . Like for someone like us, it would be fairly minor, but for them doing it alone it would be an awful lot of work. Being able to have someone they can identify as a consultant also means they can point to someone who is actually trans, who has a voice in this, which is important(though generally a lot of shows and stuff pick somewhat problematic people to do it)."

 

[Lhynn]

Buncha degenerates.

 

[Echo Mirage]

Sounds like they got Biowares audience.