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Daemongar

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I wonder - if you wrote a mod to cure that tranny, (that is, if player case Heal on Tranny, add these dialogue options, dialogue is read in a deeper voice, whatever) could you put it on the Steam workshop?

Jaheira is the 'nagging wife'. The later one may sound like it doesn't fit, but it is construed as a negative stereotype in a number of cultures, though not all.
Can you point out the quotes from Jaheira that back this up or are you repeating what was said?

Also, "nagging wife negative stereotype?" This is an issue they felt they had to address? What a bunch of cunts.
 

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Going by BG1 alone, Safana is iittle more than a femme fatale and Jaheira is the 'nagging wife'. The later one may sound like it doesn't fit, but it is construed as a negative stereotype in a number of cultures, though not all.
I don't remember if that quality time line was in BG1 so I guess that's how they fixed her. :M

I thought most of the "naggy" Jaheria was in the BG1 NPC mod. Not the base game.
That's part of how strange this all is. BG's characterization is so minimal that interpretation can get all over the place. If Jaheira can be considered a 'bossy wife' by vanilla content by itself its mostly due to her VO's personality when compared to Khalid's (spineless, shy man versus confident, forceful wife) and her line for Khalid's death ("Blast it Khalid! You die... you'll never hear the end of it!").

I should perhaps mention that I'm trying to explain where the writer's motivations may come from without necessarily endorsing it in any way.
 

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I could agree with the "they fucked up, yes, but do they really deserve this israeli style response?"

I was feeling a bit sad for them, they are idiots that thought they were oh so funny *tehee*, and as all idiots who think they are funny, they did a stupid thing that was spectacularly bad, but I wasn't convinced they deserved so much shit raining on them.

And then I saw this: http://archive.is/tlJCs

I'm pretty sure that shows there's no self-awareness, no redemption, nothing at all, for Beamdog. They dug a hole, and now seem very intent on digging until, with a bit of luck, they see the light on the other side. But there's no light there, only some SJW's fetid asshole for them to lick to see if they get some nice result. They won't. Too bad for them.
 

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I really don't get it; do they believe that there is no such thing as a nagging wife? Because if nagging wives exist, or nagging people in general, then why wouldn't they be included in a game if the writer wished to include such a character? It's not like they're creating a false image to insult womankind or something; they're not even basing the whole game around the person as some sort of elaborate insult, it's just one NPC that is kind of tough and hits things with sticks.

I rarely take Jaheira and Khalid, though, so whatever.




What are our ideas on the actual gameplay and story, though? I don't care if there's a transexual character or a lesbian character, I really don't. Even if they're really regressive and vocal, I just don't care. I'll avoid or kill the character if he/she gets too annoying.

I completed the intro mission, which was relatively easy except one fight that got me (stupid thief who drinks invisibility potions and poisons your mages). Beyond that, though, I haven't done anything.
 

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I do feel a bit of pity for Beamdog. But it is a cultural war, and I dont want any trannies or medieval feminists in my future DnD games. I want beautiful women instead, like all those from original BG2. So if to get what I want I have to hurt this games sales - so be it. I'm trying to offer solutions how to establish peace to the devs, but my proposal of reconciliation was buried on their forums.
 

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Never thought of BG1's Jaheira as a "nagging wife"

I did think of her as a self-righteous little shit though - maybe it's just the VA's delivery - it has this unlikable tone to it
 

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It's a bit unfair that Obsidian got through it more-or-less completely unscathed while Beamdog might get completely trashed, but life is always harder when you're smaller.

I think the reason people are attacking so hard is they were hoping Beamdog was not going to turn into another bioware. If people had gone this crazy when bio started putting this shit into their games maybe they would not be the joke they are today.

These guys want to make BG3. Who knows if that will happen and if it does who knows if Trent and Team Gayder will get the message but if nothing is said they definitely will not.

And its not harder when you are smaller, its harder when you are stupider.


Holy crap, they should fire this Pennyway character immediately

Yes Jezebel is where all the real gaming news is found. Totally an unbiased news organization. Idiot.
 

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BG1 characters like Safana and to a lesser Jaheira (who lived through some character development in BG2) are, in the end, simplistic caricatures supported by a special style of voice acting and the character portraits. That sort of characterization tends to be hit and miss with people. Lots of people love Minsc, I fucking hate him. I actually like Dynaheir, even though there's not a lot about her at all.

Going by BG1 alone, Safana is iittle more than a femme fatale and Jaheira is the 'nagging wife'. The later one may sound like it doesn't fit, but it is construed as a negative stereotype in a number of cultures, though not all.

So why do she not point out all the other characters then? Seemingly it is okay with that angry Shar-Teel male hater? I guess she think that is real deep and realistic. ALL Characters are shallow in BG. They are so many, non is that deep. Fucking hypocrite bitch.

What confuses me is how they define Safana as a sex object when she was the one constantly flirting with the male crew. She's an assassin, a thief, a trickster and a tease. She was never supposed to be a good girl.

She comes of as one using her assets while no one bitches on Xan the pessimistic man, I guess it's all fine or the lazy dwarf Kagain. Fuck it to please them we probably need a RPG where you play these grey cubes floating around space, that be interesting and deep, right?
 

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I could agree with the "they fucked up, yes, but do they really deserve this israeli style response?"

I was feeling a bit sad for them, they are idiots that thought they were oh so funny *tehee*, and as all idiots who think they are funny, they did a stupid thing that was spectacularly bad, but I wasn't convinced they deserved so much shit raining on them.

And then I saw this: http://archive.is/tlJCs

I'm pretty sure that shows there's no self-awareness, no redemption, nothing at all, for Beamdog. They dug a hole, and now seem very intent on digging until, with a bit of luck, they see the light on the other side. But there's no light there, only some SJW's fetid asshole for them to lick to see if they get some nice result. They won't. Too bad for them.

such a pathetic cry for help and attention on twitter, its always the same shit with these cucks "come help me fellow feminists, gamergate is after me because trannies"
 

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Holy crap, they should fire this Pennyway character immediately

It doesn't really matter anymore. I got that from KotakuInAction. It's archived and all, so as soon as a sizable portion of gamergators sees that, they are going to fall on Beamdog like locusts. And Beamdog is going to double down on the harassment angle, the game press is going to come to their aid, and it's all going to go to shit. It's as good as done.

If someone thought this was salvageable, this Dee fella just dropped a bomb on any hope.
 

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Holy crap, they should fire this Pennyway character immediately

And yet you blame -me- for quote mining. They did this to themselves..

I could agree with the "they fucked up, yes, but do they really deserve this israeli style response?"

I was feeling a bit sad for them, they are idiots that thought they were oh so funny *tehee*, and as all idiots who think they are funny, they did a stupid thing that was spectacularly bad, but I wasn't convinced they deserved so much shit raining on them.

And then I saw this: http://archive.is/tlJCs

I'm pretty sure that shows there's no self-awareness, no redemption, nothing at all, for Beamdog. They dug a hole, and now seem very intent on digging until, with a bit of luck, they see the light on the other side. But there's no light there, only some SJW's fetid asshole for them to lick to see if they get some nice result. They won't. Too bad for them.

Maybe they should try @HulkHogan instead. :lol:
 

FeelTheRads

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That's so sad. :lol:

Though I guess at this point their best bet it to go full in and hope for salvation and money from that "modern audience".
I'm telling you the Patreon page for this is the making right now.
 

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Haha, fuck you Beamdog. The reception to this pile has been fantastic.
 

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Steve gets a Kidney but I don't even get a tag.
Because if nagging wives exist, or nagging people in general, then why wouldn't they be included in a game if the writer wished to include such a character? It's not like they're creating a false image to insult womankind or something

For this kind of people, a character is never a character but something more about a bigger class. That's why you still can create all sort of male characters (stupid, intelligent, depressed, lecherous, asexual, abusive, compassionate, whatever,) because "Men" are not yet that politicised and individual traits are still seen as individual traits. On the other hand, woman (or "minority") characters are a minefield because idiots believe individual traits are collective representations and "reinforcements" of those traits in the real world or whatever. So yes, in their minds, a woman who uses her looks is a false image of Womankind, a nagging wife is a dangerous stereotype, etc. Nonsense, of course, but people fall for it. Hell, Anita Sarkeesian made her fortune just repeating that again and again.
 

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I could agree with the "they fucked up, yes, but do they really deserve this israeli style response?"

I was feeling a bit sad for them, they are idiots that thought they were oh so funny *tehee*, and as all idiots who think they are funny, they did a stupid thing that was spectacularly bad, but I wasn't convinced they deserved so much shit raining on them.

And then I saw this: http://archive.is/tlJCs

I'm pretty sure that shows there's no self-awareness, no redemption, nothing at all, for Beamdog. They dug a hole, and now seem very intent on digging until, with a bit of luck, they see the light on the other side. But there's no light there, only some SJW's fetid asshole for them to lick to see if they get some nice result. They won't. Too bad for them.

Same here. I thought they were just idiots or clumsy. But when I see links like this one it feels more like people with the usual narcissistic pathology using sensitive controversial subjects to gain exposure and get the attention their talent alone will not guarantee.
Being as binary & intransigent means they fell only one chromosome away from the people they denounce, as homophobic, racist or whoever they are. They just are the two opposite side of a same coin.
Transgender RPG players deserve better friends.
 

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It's all related, mods don't work because of that tranny character. GamerGate to the rescue.
 

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Beamdog already proved that their writers are average to below average and often tasteless (Neera sudden kissu-now-waifu, Dorn black bdsm gay blackguard lord), so I'm not sure what people expected. Guess most just still haven't played EE's.

SoD has strong points too: main plot path massive fights, some unique encounters, advanced ai, very good locations. Just play it as multiplayer game with your own party or with party of old characters (Edwin is as fun as always was, I adore his new catchphrase about making his own dungeons with traps and treasure) instead of homognomes.

Their whole SJWism is unjust and binary (there can't be nagging Jaheira, but there can be c--c-cowardly K-k-khaild d-darling or whiteknight Ajantis), and it sucks they think they can overwrite personalities of characters which were written before them and made game popular and now give them chance to earn money of course, but whatever.
(Actually, this in my opinion is most shameful and disgraceful - not that they insert their trannies, but that they think that characters that made BG popular and give them moneys can be re-written how they desire)
 

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I'm actually disappointed there's not enough hate to get this thing under 70% in steam reviews. C'mon people.
 

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