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The bload could actually be good, I think. Vanilla 5e SUFFERS from fights being too short.

literally WAT. 5E lethality is laughable compared to former editions. There's a reason the 3E/PF joke is that initiative is the most OP stat, and 5E is even less lethal than AD&D

I guess 4E is less lethal but I assume you weren't refering to that
 

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RPG's with a controller is heresy. May Adanos have mercy upon your soul!
RPG used to be ported on consoles long after the computer , and thats a good thing. The mutltiplatform day one is very bad thing however . Not everyone has or can afford a gaming pc, so if some kid only own a switch its a good thing he can still play them .
''rpgs'' get ported over to console.
Not for AAA , they rather get ported to pc since the xbox era starting with oblivion, console interface and so on .
 

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There's a reason the 3E/PF joke is that initiative is the most OP stat, and 5E is even less lethal than AD&D

I guess 4E is less lethal but I assume you weren't refering to that

As I've said in other topics, 4e is extremely non lethal. The maximum damage of disintegrate = 65 damage in 2 rounds.

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Meanwhile, a low level orc has almost 200 hp
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An spell/psionic which could OHK high level mobs on 2e and dish ludicrous high damage on 3.5e, on 4e can be soaked multiple times by a low level enemy... The unique merit of 5e is not being THAT low lethality. But I disagree about the 3e being more lethal than 2e. A lv 15 mage on 2e would have 10d4+5 hp. And the CON mod would be at best +1. On 3e, the same mage would have 15 * d4 + CON MOD and he can easily with spells, magical gear and so on, get a + 5 con mod at this level.

Having ludicrous high saves on 2e is harder, evasion and improved evasion din't existed. If a low level/CR(1~6) character/monster can soak a spelljammer heavy cannon, your game is too "gamey" and low lethality for my taste. If you include a weapon, spell, power, ability, psion or wathever called disintegrate, it should disintegrate. "flesh and bone disappear in a puff of gray dust". How someone survives it? And why it is evocation if you are transforming stuff?

In therms of lethality :
  • 4e = Sucks. Literally unplayable.
  • 5e = Awful but bearable in low levels and mid levels
  • 3e = OK
  • 2e = Amazing.

ported on consoles long after the computer , and thats a good thing. T

Rarely is a good thing. See the Ultima 7 snes port as an example...

And is a myth that PC gaming is that expensive, mainly for RPG's which the best ones are the old ones and believe or not, I run Solasta on a GTS 450 with no problems.
 
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There's a reason the 3E/PF joke is that initiative is the most OP stat, and 5E is even less lethal than AD&D

I guess 4E is less lethal but I assume you weren't refering to that

As I've said in other topics, 4e is extremely non lethal. The maximum power which a disintegrate spell which is a "daily power" can do is 65 damage in 2 turns, if the target fails 2 saves.

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Meanwhile, a low level orc has almost 200 hp
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An spell/psionic which could OHK high level mobs on 2e and dish ludicrous high damage on 3.5e, on 4e can be soaked multiple times by a low level enemy... The unique merid of 5e is not being THAT low lethality. But I disagree about the 3e being more lethal than 2e. Mainly on higher levels. You have way less HP on high levels on 2e. For eg, a lv 15 magic user on 2e would have 10d4+5 hp. And the CON mod would be at best +1. On 3e, the same mage would have 15 * d4 + CON MOD and he can easily with spells, magical gear and so on, get a + 5 con mod at this level. Note that on 4e, the spell game wise and in the description works completely different.

Not mentioning that having ludicrous high saves on 2e is harder, evasion and improved evasion din't existed. IMO if a low level/CR(1~6) character/monster can soak a spelljammer heavy cannon, your game is too "gamey" and low lethality for my taste. If you include a weapon, spell, power, ability, psion or wathever called disintegrate, it should disintegrate. "flesh and bone disappear in a puff of gray dust". How someone survives it? And why it is evocation if you are transforming stuff?

4e sucks. 5e just sucks less than 4e in this aspect.

ported on consoles long after the computer , and thats a good thing. T

Rarely is a good thing. See the Ultima 7 snes port as an example...

And is a myth that PC gaming is that expensive, mainly for RPG's which the best ones are the old ones and believe or not, I run Solasta on a GTS 450 with no problems.
Of course port of U7 is less than optimum but good to play when you dont have anything else. Same for the other ultima and wizardy.Yes the pc being more expensive is a myth , but it's also too complex for the average guy, who prefer to just get a console. The % of owner of high end GPU on PC is very low, look at steam stats. Lot of potato pc , they may as well play on console.
 

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Lot of potato pc

Most of the world population doesn't live in first world countries. In some countries, consoles are taxed as gambling items. A potato PC is far more affordable than a console in this places. Mainly when you take into consideration, that a PC has 1001 utilities, not only gaming. And here is 10 relative modern games in a GTS 450(a extremely low and old video card)



When you consider that the best RPG's are old games, PC's become even better. I can run dos era games on my PC, even posted screenshots of Dark Sun : Wake of The ravager on screenshot some time ago. But on PS4, I can't even run PS3 games. I would't trade my potato PC for a PS5 or other modern console unless I could sell the console to get a better PC.

And this not talking about modding. Be able to pick a great game like Gothic 2 and make it even better with mods like Returning, pick NWN2 and fixes the game spells, is extremely better than having only modern games to play and no modding.

Of course, if you wanna only play modern AAA games, consoles would be better than a potato PC.
 
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RPG's with a controller is heresy. May Adanos have mercy upon your soul!
RPG used to be ported on consoles long after the computer , and thats a good thing. The mutltiplatform day one is very bad thing however . Not everyone has or can afford a gaming pc, so if some kid only own a switch its a good thing he can still play them .
''rpgs'' get ported over to console.
Not for AAA , they rather get ported to pc since the xbox era starting with oblivion, console interface and so on .
yeah and oblivion isn't a real rpg
 

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The bload could actually be good, I think. Vanilla 5e SUFFERS from fights being too short.

literally WAT. 5E lethality is laughable compared to former editions. There's a reason the 3E/PF joke is that initiative is the most OP stat, and 5E is even less lethal than AD&D

Well, my experiences from tabletop 5e are wildly different from those of tabletop 3e or crpg PFK. 5e fights tend to be over in a heartbeat. But maybe it's just my DM...
 

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You can extend the fights as a DM however much you like. That's actually a valuable skill to master in order to compensate for overpowered subclasses or underpowered parties.
 

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Well, my experiences from tabletop 5e are wildly different from those of tabletop 3e or crpg PFK. 5e fights tend to be over in a heartbeat. But maybe it's just my DM...

Is probably your DM. Vecna on 3e or 2e can end a high level if not epic level party in a single round. On 5e his spells are far less deadly...
 

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Well, my experiences from tabletop 5e are wildly different from those of tabletop 3e or crpg PFK. 5e fights tend to be over in a heartbeat. But maybe it's just my DM...

Is probably your DM. Vecna on 3e or 2e can end a high level if not epic level party in a single round. On 5e his spells are far less deadly...

No no, it's the other way around. The issue is how long will it take an epic level 5e party to end Vecna.
 

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There's a Codex steam group? I'd like to monitor who here is playing it too so that I can always know who has bad taste and no passion. I'm going to make a list

I played BG3 and DOS2, however, my most played RPG is PFKM and only played dos2 for about 8 hours and din't had any fun TBH.

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I tried really hard to like DOS2 since I saw a lot of people praising it, but just cound't... I also don't consider DOS2 a bad game, is just not for me. Baldur's Gate 3 is also not a bad game. My standards for a bad game are very strict, a RPG needs to be awful like ArcaniA, vanilla Oblivion, Sword Coast Legends, DA:Inquisition and Diablo 3 for me to consider then bad.

That said, BG3 is a "average" game IMO. We have great RPG's like Solasta and Pathfinder : Wrath of The righteous and BG3 fells bad in comparison. But if was launched in the same year that we had sword coast legends, everyone would be praising and saying that is good. Because in relation to SCL, it is good.
 

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I wonder which one is worse, the BG3 subreddit or the forum. I don't have the bravery or the sanity to check either of those shitholes again though.

Yet you are brave enough to check out this shithole. Come on.

Name a community where people aren't simping for the game. Here, at least, it's only half the thread.

Every single thread on 4chan, if you count "incessant bitching" as "not simping".
 

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