Baldur's Gate Baldur's Gate 3 Early Access Thread [GAME RELEASED, GO TO NEW THREAD]

[Zeriel]

I'm replaying the bg-series in prep for 3, and one thing that's funny about doing that while reading this thread on the side is how lulzily memeish the majority of bg1's writing is. it changes a lot in 2, but a lot of 1's actual writing besides the main plot is everything from fastest dart thrower in the west to siding with druids on the promise of aloe vera balm rewards

these rare jokes

nigga i just played it this week. calling it rare is like saying it seldom rains in the kingdom of britain. like 30% of the total game text is infused with this

now i don’t really mind it. it has that certain 90s charm. and it “hits” more often than did dos1. but it is what it is

absurd dialogue in BG1 is written in a in-universe tone

Agree to disagree I guess. I've played it countless times over the years, and remember doing so right after people would bitch about this topic, only to find it to be like... 0.1% of dialogues.

Maybe our idea of what is absurd is different though. I don't think an NPC being silly in an in-universe way is out of line, sometimes people IRL are silly too. It really depends on what you mean. For me it'd be stuff like that Elminster line, not Noober harrassing you.

Or are you counting voice lines? Like, yeah, "I AM THE LAW!!!" is clearly a completely out of character reference. At the same time as a teenager I didn't even realize what the reference was until later as someone who never saw the Stallone Judge Dredd. But then you have lines like "CLEAN AS AN ELVEN ARSE", which is ridiculous, sure, but sounds like something a low-class innkeeper would actually say too in-setting.

 

[Grunker]

To be honest if someone type that shit in resetera and keeps browsing Codex I have no fucking idea what would be the end game.

ITZ, obviously

 

[Grunker]

not Noober harrassing you.

if noober isn’t meme dialogue to you your definition has a tighter margin than the racial diversity of codex posters

 

[Zeriel]

You're misrembering or twisting the context - I played it through it yesterday. She gives some bullshit about resurrection not being possible, a clear (and poor) handwave from the writers to explain away the non-possibility of resurrection. You know it's a poor explanation since J states both the passing of time and the stuff Khalid was exposed to (aka writers just slinging everything at the wall).

Jaheira asses too much time has passed (prob by decomposition) and the body is mangled. Both are important factors for raising dead in 2nd edition. A mangled body will be resurrected without its missing parts, and resurrection can only be attempted within a certain amount of days.

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Resurrection is another option, but lorewise that's extremely difficult and unlikely to do. You need a Priest of at least 14th level and minimum 18 Wisdom according to the rules.

Yeah, so worth maintaining his body and fighting for considering chasing down Irenicus is even more perilous and unlikely, no

And that’s if we accept your out-of-game reference as opposed to the facts of what you pay in game.

But don’t sweat it bro, it’s not like it matters

This really seems like nitpicking to me. There are obvious reasons to not have Ressurection apply outside of your party's own gameplay. Like the fact it undermines any impact or meaning of death. If we just assume that people can be Resurrected willy-nilly 50% of the time, then like 90% of the storylines and quests in the game would stop working. You kinda have to handwave this stuff across the board because otherwise it gets very unbelievable. I remember some MMOs actually tried to integrate deathlessness into their storyline and it completely killed the suspension of disbelief and narrative immersion; because a world without death is just so completely different from our own we don't consider it real on even a basic level.

 

[Grunker]

You're misrembering or twisting the context - I played it through it yesterday. She gives some bullshit about resurrection not being possible, a clear (and poor) handwave from the writers to explain away the non-possibility of resurrection. You know it's a poor explanation since J states both the passing of time and the stuff Khalid was exposed to (aka writers just slinging everything at the wall).

Jaheira asses too much time has passed (prob by decomposition) and the body is mangled. Both are important factors for raising dead in 2nd edition. A mangled body will be resurrected without its missing parts, and resurrection can only be attempted within a certain amount of days.

View attachment 38718
Resurrection is another option, but lorewise that's extremely difficult and unlikely to do. You need a Priest of at least 14th level and minimum 18 Wisdom according to the rules.

Yeah, so worth maintaining his body and fighting for considering chasing down Irenicus is even more perilous and unlikely, no

And that’s if we accept your out-of-game reference as opposed to the facts of what you pay in game.

But don’t sweat it bro, it’s not like it matters

This really seems like nitpicking to me.

Obviously. You’re literally saying this right under the sentence “it’s not like it matters”

 

[Zeriel]

You're misrembering or twisting the context - I played it through it yesterday. She gives some bullshit about resurrection not being possible, a clear (and poor) handwave from the writers to explain away the non-possibility of resurrection. You know it's a poor explanation since J states both the passing of time and the stuff Khalid was exposed to (aka writers just slinging everything at the wall).

Jaheira asses too much time has passed (prob by decomposition) and the body is mangled. Both are important factors for raising dead in 2nd edition. A mangled body will be resurrected without its missing parts, and resurrection can only be attempted within a certain amount of days.

View attachment 38718
Resurrection is another option, but lorewise that's extremely difficult and unlikely to do. You need a Priest of at least 14th level and minimum 18 Wisdom according to the rules.

Yeah, so worth maintaining his body and fighting for considering chasing down Irenicus is even more perilous and unlikely, no

And that’s if we accept your out-of-game reference as opposed to the facts of what you pay in game.

But don’t sweat it bro, it’s not like it matters

This really seems like nitpicking to me.

Obviously. You’re literally saying this right under the sentence “it’s not like it matters”

Sure, but I'm also engaging your argument and providing practical reasons why this was done this way and not just because Bioware is dumb or didn't think it through.

 

[Non-Edgy Gamer]

I’m personally partial to all the NPC’s taking the piss on the MC. “There’s a sucker born every minute, and you’re right on time.”

Oddly appropriate for a fellow Early Access purchaser.

 

[Non-Edgy Gamer]

You're misrembering or twisting the context - I played it through it yesterday. She gives some bullshit about resurrection not being possible, a clear (and poor) handwave from the writers to explain away the non-possibility of resurrection. You know it's a poor explanation since J states both the passing of time and the stuff Khalid was exposed to (aka writers just slinging everything at the wall).

Jaheira asses too much time has passed (prob by decomposition) and the body is mangled. Both are important factors for raising dead in 2nd edition. A mangled body will be resurrected without its missing parts, and resurrection can only be attempted within a certain amount of days.

Resurrection is another option, but lorewise that's extremely difficult and unlikely to do. You need a Priest of at least 14th level and minimum 18 Wisdom according to the rules.

Yeah, so worth maintaining his body and fighting for considering chasing down Irenicus is even more perilous and unlikely, no

Again, Temple of Lothander can cast Resurrect on him. Literally, just drag him along and pay 150 gold a minute after you exit and Irenicus leaves. Not even the first time the PC has had a dead body in his inventory.

 

[Takamori]

The more I think about the free respec, I don't get a good line of thought about it. Seems like they want this game play almost like DoS where by end game you become a really weird amalgamation of spells and skills without much identity.
On Tactician seems like it will have really badly balanced encounters and they will just use the excuse of using free respecs in order to engage with it.
Oh why didnt you respec everyone to be sorcs and twin spell fireballs? hohohohoho

 

[Grunker]

We hating on Tactician as well now? I'm all for bitching it up, Codex-style, but doing difficulty by swapping out monster ammunition, placement etc. seems like pure incline

 

[Grunker]

Wait, they fixed reactions? Motherfucker, that must have been my biggest mechanical gripe with the core mechanics. Hallelujah

 

[Yosharian]

More balance stuff courtesy of Reddit, supposedly the Haste spell has been modified to let players perform an additional action, period.

In TT you are only allowed to perform one additional attack with Haste, but with BG3, Fighters for example can perform all their attacks then do it all over again with their Haste bonus action

At level 11 Fighters have 3 attacks so the difference for a Hasted fighter is

TT: 4 attacks
BG3: 6 attacks

 

[Takamori]

We hating on Tactician as well now? I'm all for bitching it up, Codex-style, but doing difficulty by swapping out monster ammunition, placement etc. seems like pure incline

No this stuff if perfectly fine, guerilla tactics, improved AI , focus targeting casters instead of just trying to hit the 25 AC individual.

My concern is the designer thinking at this stage of the game they can respec into broken shit so I will throw 2 Beholders in your asshole forcing you to be constantly looking for the current broken meta to surpass the encounter instead of following the regular rules and elaborating an encounter hard enough for several flavors of parties.

 

[Takamori]

More balance stuff courtesy of Reddit, supposedly the Haste spell has been modified to let players perform an additional action, period.

In TT you are only allowed to perform one additional attack with Haste, but with BG3, Fighters for example can perform all their attacks then do it all over again with their Haste bonus action

At level 11 Fighters have 3 attacks so the difference for a Hasted fighter is

TT: 4 attacks
BG3: 6 attacks

With their fucking current iteration of Twinned Spell?

 

[Yosharian]

More balance stuff courtesy of Reddit, supposedly the Haste spell has been modified to let players perform an additional action, period.

In TT you are only allowed to perform one additional attack with Haste, but with BG3, Fighters for example can perform all their attacks then do it all over again with their Haste bonus action

At level 11 Fighters have 3 attacks so the difference for a Hasted fighter is

TT: 4 attacks
BG3: 6 attacks

With their fucking current iteration of Twinned Spell?

Ah, I'm not aware - what's different with that?

 

[Tuco Benedicto Pacifico]

More balance stuff courtesy of Reddit, supposedly the Haste spell has been modified to let players perform an additional action, period.

Yeah, also cast two spells in a round.
But this is not news. It was already that way in EA.
And the problem was already pointed to Larian months ago. They just don't care because they feel this way is more AWESOME.

 

[Takamori]

Well the classic Twin Spell depending on the spell lets say Fireball you require two distinct targets in other to launch those spells. With the current iteration no need you can twin it no question asked single target gets deleted. The metamagic talent was already strong they just made it good for everything. In theory with this haste you can launch 3 spells at the same time in the same target?

More balance stuff courtesy of Reddit, supposedly the Haste spell has been modified to let players perform an additional action, period.

Yeah, also cast two spells in a round.
But this is not news. It was already that way in EA.
And the problem was already pointed to Larian months ago. They just don't care because they feel this way is more AWESOME.

Reading the forums in Larian is like taking crazy pills.

 

[Yosharian]

Yeah, also cast two spells in a round.

Wow it breaks that rule too? Jfc

 

[Maxwell's Demon]

Are Codexers still going on about the bear? I've gone through more than twenty pages of it already and I can't be bothered to read another twenty pages of wannabe Ted Haggards kvetching about their psychosexual hangups. Holy shit, you guys need a better outlet for your unresolved sexual tension. That's the kind of thing General Discussion is for, not the Baldur's Gate 3 thread.

 

[Grunker]

More balance stuff courtesy of Reddit, supposedly the Haste spell has been modified to let players perform an additional action, period.

Yeah, also cast two spells in a round.

Two spells, or spell and cantrip?

 

[Takamori]

Are Codexers still going on about the bear? I've gone through more than twenty pages of it already and I can't be bothered to read another twenty pages of wannabe Ted Haggards kvetching about their psychosexual hangups. Holy shit, you guys need a better outlet for your unresolved sexual tension. That's the kind of thing General Discussion is for, not the Baldur's Gate 3 thread.

Well you arrived in the calm before the storm before the Bear fuckers arrive again and start screeching about it and the end of western civilization.

 

[Takamori]

More balance stuff courtesy of Reddit, supposedly the Haste spell has been modified to let players perform an additional action, period.

Yeah, also cast two spells in a round.

Two spells, or spell and cantrip?

Two fireballs, Two disintegrates, you can use cantrips too but two spells is in the menu.

 

[Grunker]

Grunker: thinking about playing bard for the first time in an rpg

Grunker: remembers larian's shit reaction system

Grunker: reads they fixed reactions

Grunker: realizes that despite reactions being fixed, cutting words is still not a reaction

hoo wee, these last 10 minutes was a rollercoaster boys

 

[Grunker]

at least motherfucking imp bros had my back

 

[Maxwell's Demon]

Are Codexers still going on about the bear? I've gone through more than twenty pages of it already and I can't be bothered to read another twenty pages of wannabe Ted Haggards kvetching about their psychosexual hangups. Holy shit, you guys need a better outlet for your unresolved sexual tension. That's the kind of thing General Discussion is for, not the Baldur's Gate 3 thread.

Well you arrived in the calm before the storm before the Bear fuckers arrive again and start screeching about it and the end of western civilization.

We've already known Larian and WotC are woke and decline for years now, there doesn't need to be so much energy devoted to calling it out.