Baldur's Gate Baldur's Gate 3 Early Access Thread [GAME RELEASED, GO TO NEW THREAD]

[Yosharian]

I am struggling with how to plan a melee GOO warlock that won't be dogshit, but at the same time allow for some fluff (I love Disguise-Self and Detect Thoughts). I also don't want to spam Eldritch Blast for 30 hours of my life and would much rather chase the fleeting high of a mortal reminder crit in melee (hence, GOO warlock).

• Hex, Armour of Agthys, and Misty Step (escape option) all seem like automatic picks; pact of the blade for obvious reasons.
• Attribute-wise, max charisma is a must, but beyond that, I am less certain. Armour of Agthys provides hitpoints and apparently scales, and I am not sure that I would need to invest too much in constitution. Perhaps dexterity for a boost to stealth? I don't expect this character to face-tank anything, just sneak attack and misty step the fuck out if my rolls suck.
• I don't know if it is better to get medium armor feat, or just double down on charisma boosts. Weapon master?
• Weapons...no clue.

I found a Warlock build that is pretty powerful

you go Warlock 5 for EB/Blade Pact/Thirsting Blade and get CHA 20 by end of Act 1

8 STR / 14 DEX / 14 CON / 10 INT / 12 WIS / 17 CHA

then you add whatever you like, for example Oathbreaker 7 or w/e

A guy in Discord showed it to me, it's quite powerful and competitive with my build IMO

 

[Maculo]

I am struggling with how to plan a melee GOO warlock that won't be dogshit, but at the same time allow for some fluff (I love Disguise-Self and Detect Thoughts). I also don't want to spam Eldritch Blast for 30 hours of my life and would much rather chase the fleeting high of a mortal reminder crit in melee (hence, GOO warlock).

• Hex, Armour of Agthys, and Misty Step (escape option) all seem like automatic picks; pact of the blade for obvious reasons.
• Attribute-wise, max charisma is a must, but beyond that, I am less certain. Armour of Agthys provides hitpoints and apparently scales, and I am not sure that I would need to invest too much in constitution. Perhaps dexterity for a boost to stealth? I don't expect this character to face-tank anything, just sneak attack and misty step the fuck out if my rolls suck.
• I don't know if it is better to get medium armor feat, or just double down on charisma boosts. Weapon master?
• Weapons...no clue.

I found a Warlock build that is pretty powerful

you go Warlock 5 for EB/Blade Pact/Thirsting Blade and get CHA 20 by end of Act 1

8 STR / 14 DEX / 14 CON / 10 INT / 12 WIS / 17 CHA

then you add whatever you like, for example Oathbreaker 7 or w/e

A guy in Discord showed it to me, it's quite powerful and competitive with my build IMO

Did he explain what feats he chose and how he got to 20 CHA so fast?

 

[Rhobar121]

I am struggling with how to plan a melee GOO warlock that won't be dogshit, but at the same time allow for some fluff (I love Disguise-Self and Detect Thoughts). I also don't want to spam Eldritch Blast for 30 hours of my life and would much rather chase the fleeting high of a mortal reminder crit in melee (hence, GOO warlock).

• Hex, Armour of Agthys, and Misty Step (escape option) all seem like automatic picks; pact of the blade for obvious reasons.
• Attribute-wise, max charisma is a must, but beyond that, I am less certain. Armour of Agthys provides hitpoints and apparently scales, and I am not sure that I would need to invest too much in constitution. Perhaps dexterity for a boost to stealth? I don't expect this character to face-tank anything, just sneak attack and misty step the fuck out if my rolls suck.
• I don't know if it is better to get medium armor feat, or just double down on charisma boosts. Weapon master?
• Weapons...no clue.

I found a Warlock build that is pretty powerful

you go Warlock 5 for EB/Blade Pact/Thirsting Blade and get CHA 20 by end of Act 1

8 STR / 14 DEX / 14 CON / 10 INT / 12 WIS / 17 CHA

then you add whatever you like, for example Oathbreaker 7 or w/e

A guy in Discord showed it to me, it's quite powerful and competitive with my build IMO

Did he explain what feats he chose and how he got to 20 CHA so fast?

20 char

I don't know how it will be in the full game but in EA you can get an item from Volo that gives you +1 to char but penalty to intelligence.
In addition, you can get another +1 for defeating a witch in exchange for her life.

 

[Yosharian]

Yup what he said

 

[Takamori]

Another one of those Devs breakdown




Also laughable with their statement: "We are making humans more interesting"

 

[Elthosian]

Hey hey maybe Larinan's success will make Bioware actually put effort with the new DA

I wouldn't be surprised if Bioware regards Larian with anything but disdain since, gameplay-wise, they've gone directly against everything Bioware has been preaching for over a decade.
With similar cases in other studios I know that unwritten rules existed to never mention game 'X' or company 'Y' in the halls.

And I kinda hope it's like that. I hope all those deprecate fuckers at Bioware are boiling their brains due to sheer rage.

Probably both disdain and fear since the next Dragon Age will be compared to Baldur's Gate 3 in every single review, and they might not be able to get away with 3 races & 3 classes, fake C&C, and shallow gameplay as they did in DA:I. And they've spent like, 4 (and however many are left) years developing it? They won't even have the silly writing and retarded romances as a differentiating factor Can't see it going well for them.

 

[Lagole Gon]

Anyone else has the impression that Larian has nearly all the skills to be an amazing RPG studio, but they just refuse to do it as a part of their design philosophy?

 

[Modron]

I am disappointed to learn that your name isn't Pizza shoes.

 

[Deadass]

Another one of those Devs breakdown




Also laughable with their statement: "We are making humans more interesting"

mods will fix it

 

[Saravan]

I was pleasantly surprised today, going through the first few pages of new comments. Mostly game talk, some quips and jokes. Then it started happening again... These people can't be helped, they can't be stopped. Even as I type this, that limp dicked Kiste is posting more. Let it be known, these posters will not let the sex with animals topic leave the conversation. It's not about the game with these people, it's about fucking animals.


edgy gamer started it up again with comparing (and linking which I won't include) sex with DAI's Iron Bull and sex with a bear from BG3. He has imagined that the Iron Bull would make him walk less straight (pun?) than the bear from BG3. Comparing which games ass fucking would cause someone to walk the least straight are the topics on his mind.

You think bear sex is so terrible? You won't walk straight after the Bull.

Saravan could not stand the idea of two people (in the face of hundreds) agreeing that this game is shit. So what does he think? That if two people agree they must be engaging in homosexual behaviour. Really tells you where his mind is at. Does that apply to people that agree wiith him? Using his own logic, if you agree with Saravan, prepare to get your dick sucked.

The way you two are sucking each others dicks should also be bannable due to extreme homosexuality.

Nerevar would prefer to have sex with a bear than the brown pirate from DA2. It's the codex, who isn't racist?... but damn dude. A bear before a brown girl with decent titties?

Pretty sure even the bear from BG3 is a better choice than Isabela. The bear is probably cleaner too.

Futa is a girl with a dick (as if you guys didn't know this. Or are you guys only zoophiliacs and disgusted by futa... hypocrits each one of you) As with all futa enjoyers, they simply are scared to admit they are gay. Kind of sad really.

Can you play as a tiefling futa on this? Just asking, for a friend

MasPingon was so excited that he linked to a twitter video of the bear sex scene (not going to show it). He thought that on 800 plus pages of this thread that he was the first to discover it. Will you guys please welcome your fellow zoophiliac with open arms?

Gay sex with a bear has been added, this is Codex GOTY material.

TheHeroOfTime is back at it again. Letting everyone know about his bestiality skyrim modlist. You know loverslab has really hot human female companion mods too? Oh who am I kidding, that's not what you are into.

Skyrim with mods did it first (And better)

Kiste (the noodle dick avatar guy) decided to strike up a conversation with a local merchant about getting animal sex normalized. The conversation as follows.

And so we are one step closer to establishing bear sodomy as a cultural norm, just as Jahweh intended.

The merchant is letting everyone know that it was the Euros to blame.

Cool it with the Blasphemous remarks. Bestiality is forbidden by G-d. Rather it's this European pagan revival which is the source of this nonsense.

Kiste is have a "woke" moment.

What? Are you implying The Jews aren't behind it all? Has the Codex been lying to me all these years?

Merchant claims his people stopped the whites from their demonic desires.

Yes. You have been lied to. Jews are not behind this. In fact, we're the reason why you stopped performing acts of bestiality as it's forbidden in our Torah.

Kiste is once again thinking of that scene. He loves it.

So everyone who is against the bear sex scene in BG3 is actually following Jewish law.

Good to know.

Thank you for the daily roundup of your latest butthurt. There is so much that I have difficulty keeping up otherwise.

 

[Kem0sabe]

Another one of those Devs breakdown




Also laughable with their statement: "We are making humans more interesting"

Interesting that Drow are getting so much attention. Looks like the race with more reactivity, along with dragonborn

 

[Takamori]

Anyone else has the impression that Larian has nearly all the skills to be an amazing RPG studio, but they just refuse to do it as a part of their design philosophy?

Its the monkey pawn, want a AAA CRPG? Well there you go.

 

[Volourn]

I remember when people were claiming that this would be the most accurate DnD game ever. But, I was right. Larian is making DOS3. They dont like BG or DnD. Hence why they have changed so many standard rules without any keeping them as options even though they claim it is all about options.

No rolling for stats. Even though that is the standard in the PHB. Point buy is the variant. Why options of rolling, and 2-3 different point buys?

You dont roll for HP even though that is standard. Average is the variant. This should be easy to make this optional stuff.

Anyone can wear heavy armour no matter the strength and it doesn't affect speed. That is a dwarf ability that is no longer relevant.

No item attument because gotta have phat lewt. I always thoguht 3 was too restrictive but why notions of 3,5, or unlimited. Look at that options for different playstyles. WIN WIN.

Healing potions can be thrown to heal a group... potions are made to be drank. Make it an oil if that is what you want.

No material components. Meh. I expect this as very few dnd games use them but meh.

Urgh.

I still expect to have fun with the game, but come on. L0L

 

[Tyranicon]

Anyone else has the impression that Larian has nearly all the skills to be an amazing RPG studio, but they just refuse to do it as a part of their design philosophy?

Larian is the picture of a competent cRPG studio.

Everything they do wrong (writing, art style, etc) is not indicative of a lack of skill, but rather an intentional preference.

 

[Heinrich]

Dicking around in the Belgian business register because I'm bored, but it's a pain because all of Larian's stuff is in flemish. Didn't know Larian's name is officially ARRAKIS; seems like someone was a dune fan in the 90ties. Also, do we know who Valérie Coessens is? Other director of the studio besides Swen. There's also Larian real estate and an Irish limited in there. If someone wants to pass especially the stuff in external links through your favourite translator it might be interesting. I can't be arsed as I'm on my third beer.
https://kbopub.economie.fgov.be/kbopub/toonondernemingps.html?ondernemingsnummer=440481750

 

[Takamori]

I remember when people were claiming that this would be the most accurate DnD game ever. But, I was right. Larian is making DOS3. They dont like BG or DnD. Hence why they have changed so many standard rules without any keeping them as options even though they claim it is all about options.

No rolling for stats. Even though that is the standard in the PHB. Point buy is the variant. Why options of rolling, and 2-3 different point buys?

You dont roll for HP even though that is standard. Average is the variant. This should be easy to make this optional stuff.

Anyone can wear heavy armour no matter the strength and it doesn't affect speed. That is a dwarf ability that is no longer relevant.

No item attument because gotta have phat lewt. I always thoguht 3 was too restrictive but why notions of 3,5, or unlimited. Look at that options for different playstyles. WIN WIN.

Healing potions can be thrown to heal a group... potions are made to be drank. Make it an oil if that is what you want.

No material components. Meh. I expect this as very few dnd games use them but meh.

Rolling for stats and HP average doesnt bother me, at least all my sessions with friends we preferred use HP average to avoid having the 1 hp wizard. We even joked if you have negative CON and rolled a 1 in your HP roll you character got aborted.

PB is preferable due to the construction and building your character. I understand there is fun in gambling too but we all know that in video games with this feature we will jerk off for the omega 18 rolls.

But the rest I'm with you like the racial changes fucked up humans, shield dwarves and half elves and the balance makes no sense to replace what they lost. Damn give +1 AC to dwarves wearing full plate to make up for the lost feature. Itemization and Larian is something I never trusted them to do, I was optimistic when I saw the announcement because I thought, cool they will follow 5E guidelines to distribute treasury and items but ho boy how wrong I was.
The potions at this point its kinda expecting Larian to not insert benny the hill cheese wheels humor. Materials is basically a gold sink for spellcasters, if they dont wanna do specific material components just name it material pouch add value to it where you buy quantities and spells consumes x quantity of it.

 

[Volourn]

Its fine to prefer point buy. But, my point is, they brag about options, so it seems to weird to not give the options to rolle for stats and hp. TOEE did this with issue. BG did it with it hp giving you either max or rolling. Eveven then, 90% of the time, I chose rolling.Your advice for dwarf armour bonus makes sense and isn't unbalancing. I can live without material components. It isn't 100% needed.

 

[Rhobar121]

Components are just an annoying mechanic that 90% of people just ignore.
As for HP, I can see why they did it. At least there's no situation where your character becomes useless and dies in one hit (if you're unlucky).
It's much easier to balance the game if you know how much HP the players will have.

 

[Kiste]

No rolling for stats. Even though that is the standard in the PHB. Point buy is the variant. Why options of rolling, and 2-3 different point buys?

You dont roll for HP even though that is standard. Average is the variant. This should be easy to make this optional stuff.

Rolling for attributes and HP in a video game is stupid. People will either save-scum the system or spend hours rerolling, if there's a reroll button. Nobody wants a gimp character that rolled 2x a 1 for HP on level-up. It's also hard to balance. Do you balance for savescummed max chars or weak characters? There is no DM in a video game who can adjust encounters or fudge damage rolls on the fly.

IMO, it doesn't make sense to even offer it as an option.

Anyone can wear heavy armour no matter the strength and it doesn't affect speed. That is a dwarf ability that is no longer relevant.

Yeah, I agree. Stupid change.

No item attument because gotta have phat lewt. I always thoguht 3 was too restrictive but why notions of 3,5, or unlimited. Look at that options for different playstyles. WIN WIN.

Item attument would feel cumbersome and weird in a video game and yes, Larian is going for a different magic item economy than TT DnD - which I am perfectly fine with, as long as it's good.

Healing potions can be thrown to heal a group... potions are made to be drank. Make it an oil if that is what you want.

Or not? This is such a weird thing to get worked up about. It's pretty inconsequential.

I'm more concerned about the changes to character creation and multiclassing.

 

[Infinitron]

Also, do we know who Valérie Coessens is? Other director of the studio besides Swen.

I think she's Larian's Chief Financial Officer.

 

[Silverfish]

Thank you for the daily roundup of your latest butthurt. There is so much that I have difficulty keeping up otherwise.

Collating hornyposts for future reference is actually a pretty good gimmick.

 

[Takamori]

Also, do we know who Valérie Coessens is? Other director of the studio besides Swen.

I think she's Larian's Chief Financial Officer.

"Just" the money person

 

[turkishronin]

Healing potions can be thrown to heal a group... potions are made to be drank. Make it an oil if that is what you want.

Stealing ideas from Final Fantasy!

 

[Non-Edgy Gamer]

I think the "immigration allegory" mainly exists in your head. It's not an allegory, it's just straight up story.

People say this, but it's pure cope. The druid is Trump with a twist and some in-world lore about shadow druids or whatever to obscure the original concept.

This is how most fantasy writing is done, begin with a real world concept and twist it a bit. It's not complicated. It's just below Star Trek-tier allegory.

Also, you are free to resolve this situation in various ways, including kicking the Tieflings to the curb.

True, since it's an allegory, and since this game is made in Poland and not California.

Doesn't change what it is. And what is is a lame allegory that the player has no real reason to care about. That's bad writing.

Compare that to iron crisis, or a conspiracy to start a war of sacrifice, or any of the larger BG2 quests and it's no contest.

The only way I'd say it's any better is the actual design of the quests. That's superior. You have more choice and freedom, and it's non-linear.

But in terms of writing, I think your assertion that it's any better or even as good as the BG series is kaput, and your comparing it to dumb little side quests in BG1 shows that.

And yes, Volo is a comedic character, but

You're missing the point. You're comparing apples to oranges because your argument sucks.

The fact that the Noober joke exists in BG1 (and 2) doesn't negate the quality of the writing, nor should it be taken as a measure of its quality and compared to other games.

When people look back on BG1, they don't remember the cliff NPC, or the NWN easter egg. They remember the main quest, Durlag's Tower, the Cloakwood Mines etc.

 

[Kiste]

Sorry, not gonna discuss this further. I find people who give everything the most uncharitable reading and are paranoid about political messaging incredibly irritating and I don't care whether it's coming from the Sarkeesians and Kotakus of this world, who interpret everything as racist, sexist and homophobic, or from some screeching right-wing Trumptards who suspect a wokester under every bed. You all suck and fuck your political tribalism. You can interpret fucking everything as an allegory in an unfavourable way if you've got an agenda to push.

The writing in BG1 is fucking ass, they couldn't even keep their tone consistent between whacky anachronistic nonsense that sounds like it was ripped from some shitty Steve Urkel sitcom and people rambling in Ye Olde English. If you want to let your political crystal ball decide whether writing is good or bad based on the asumed political motivations of the writers then be my guest, but at least be aware that this isn't really the quality of the writing at issue here, just your own politial hang-ups.