Baldur's Gate Baldur's Gate 3 Pre-Release Thread [EARLY ACCESS RELEASED, GO TO NEW THREAD]

[NJClaw]

I'm so excited about Baldur's Gate 3 that I already can't wait for Larian's Baldur's Gate 4.

EDIT: Baldur's Gate 4: Original Baldur's Gate 2.

EDIT2: Baldurian Baldur's Gate and then Baldurian Baldur's Gate 2.

EDIT3: Baldur's Gate: Drow Commander.

EDIT4: and then the obvious Baldur's Gate 4: Original Baldur's Gate 2 Enhanced Edition, where they change the effects of all the feats and completely revolutionize how you gain new spells.

 

[Anonona]

I'm so excited about Baldur's Gate 3 that I already can't wait for Larian's Baldur's Gate 4.

EDIT: Baldur's Gate 4: Original Baldur's Gate 2.

EDIT2: Baldurian Baldur's Gate and then Baldurian Baldur's Gate 2.

EDIT3: Baldur's Gate: Drow Commander.

EDIT4: and then the obvious Baldur's Gate 4: Original Baldur's Gate 2 Enhanced Edition, where they change the effects of all the feats and completely revolutionize how you gain new spells.

And then Baldur's Gate: Tripped Adventurers, which will be cancelled to work on a whole new project, Planescape: Divine Torment, now with more funee talking skulls!

 

[NJClaw]

I'm so excited about Baldur's Gate 3 that I already can't wait for Larian's Baldur's Gate 4.

EDIT: Baldur's Gate 4: Original Baldur's Gate 2.

EDIT2: Baldurian Baldur's Gate and then Baldurian Baldur's Gate 2.

EDIT3: Baldur's Gate: Drow Commander.

EDIT4: and then the obvious Baldur's Gate 4: Original Baldur's Gate 2 Enhanced Edition, where they change the effects of all the feats and completely revolutionize how you gain new spells.

And then Baldur's Gate: Tripped Adventurers, which will be cancelled to work on a whole new project, Planescape: Divine Torment, now with more funee talking skulls!

What can change the nature of a teleporting talking wishing well?

 

[Anonona]

What can change the nature of a teleporting talking wishing well?

 

[Ontopoly]

NJClaw did you pick the title ontopolover yourself or were you blessed with it by one of the mods?

 

[vortex]

I'm ontopolyamorous too.

 

[pomenitul]

I'm so excited about Baldur's Gate 3 that I already can't wait for Larian's Baldur's Gate 4.

Can't wait for Larian to thoroughly revamp the original BGs so that a longsword scrounged from the corpse of one of Gromnir's mooks surpasses Carsomyr + Eye of Tyr in terms of potency and usefulness. They could even improve on the plot by making Noober the actual antagonist! Ha, wouldn't that be lol so hilariously random?

 

[Silly Germans]

I'm so excited about Baldur's Gate 3 that I already can't wait for Larian's Baldur's Gate 4.

They could even improve on the plot by making Noober the actual antagonist!

Ha, the story writes itself, i already see the sequel unfolding with nefarious Neeber pulling the strings.

 

[DraQ]

The problem isn't the writing itself, it's the attempt at humor. And not just the attempt at humor, but the quantity of it.

Ok, which Larian games have you played?

Because "WAAAAHHH Muh writing! Shit humour!" is relatively recent and shitty meme opinion perpetuated by equally shitty meme people.
Prior to DOS1 (which actually does have shit writing and overflows with forced and mostly* shit humour) no one here complained about Larian's writing nor humour, quite the contrary and it's easy to check - just make a search for "Divinity 2", "DKS" and the like - and it's not like pre-DOS Larian games weren't full of humorous writing, dialogue and gags - in Divinity 2 you could effectively troll your way through most if not all dialogues AND it was appreciated, imagine that.

Actually not that many people complained even after DOS1, even though they had plenty of reasons since the level of writing there definitely soured the experience.
It's only after DOS2 that this collective whine - about DOS1 flaws, as DOS2 contains by far the least humour of all Larian games and has by far the most serious tone and while not exactly PS:T in terms of writing it's perfectly serviceable - started for some reason.

So tell me, why the fuck all the retards are all of the sudden bawling their guts out over Larian's oh so horrid writing, where have you been before DOS1 released, and why the fuck are you complaining in the thread about BG3 of all places, which is supposed to continue the series in which a retard with his pet hamster was the pinnacle of comedy and, supposedly, writing quality?

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Not all of it. Show me the future gag was actually funny. I also think one of the dogs had funny dialogue if you had Pet Pal trait. It's just that a lot of stuff in DOS1 was plain cringeworthy - humour and non-humour alike.
Then again, maybe there is a reason for DOS1 humour being so awful - if they had to recycle most of the soundtrack due to Kirill's health issues (that ended up killing him, mind you), maybe they just didn't have much funny left in them?

 

[Strange Fellow]

More popularity equals more bitching, it's not rocket surgery.

 

[DraQ]

Is this an incredible attempt at self-deprecating humor or are you actually so blind that you can't see you are the epitome of gimmick accounts?

I actually like to entertain myself by imagining that Swen is actually Swen, shitposting to his heart content while knowing no one will ever suspect him actually doing that.

Broest of devs that guy, may he live long and prosper.

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But please fucking drop that item fever and stat inflation lunacy. Seriously now.

 

[Grauken]

More popularity equals more bitching, it's not rocket surgery.

 

[Harthwain]

Ok, which Larian games have you played?

Divinity: Original Sin and Divinity: Original Sin 2.

So tell me, why the fuck all the retards are all of the sudden bawling their guts out over Larian's oh so horrid writing, where have you been before DOS1 released, and why the fuck are you complaining in the thread about BG3 of all places, which is supposed to continue the series in which a retard with his pet hamster was the pinnacle of comedy and, supposedly, writing quality?

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Not all of it. Show me the future gag was actually funny. I also think one of the dogs had funny dialogue if you had Pet Pal trait. It's just that a lot of stuff in DOS1 was plain cringeworthy - humour and non-humour alike.
Then again, maybe there is a reason for DOS1 humour being so awful - if they had to recycle most of the soundtrack due to Kirill's health issues (that ended up killing him, mind you), maybe they just didn't have much funny left in them?

1) I am not talking about Larian's writing:

The problem isn't the writing itself, it's the attempt at humor. And not just the attempt at humor, but the quantity of it.

2) I meant Divinity: Original Sin in particular in this regard. I guess the reason people talk about "Larian's humor" in context of Divinity: Orginal Sin 2 is because it inherited that optics, so it gets bundled together, even though Divinity: Original Sin 2 is trying less at being funny at all times. You can see people on reddit noticing this as well: https://www.reddit.com/r/DivinityOriginalSin/comments/70966r/what_happened_to_the_goofy_humor/

 

[Silly Germans]

I think the problem with D:OS 1 is that they try to tell an epic story but the mood/atmosphere of the game is more like a children's bed story. That doesn't fit together. I mean just take the beginning. You are trying to resolve some small scale murder in a fantasy town and then suddenly you are the only person's that can stop the end of the universe, who has to stop the end of time. It doesn't help that the exposition is done by some retarded imp called ZixZax. That just doesn't add up. Am i supposed to take it seriously or am i supposed to laugh about it ? The whole end of time storyline is superfluous and they shouldn't have tried to make the story epic for no good reason.

 

[Cryomancer]

But please fucking drop that item fever and stat inflation lunacy. Seriously now.

When even Larian fanboys realize that this things are broken, i really wish that Swen is Swen and is listening... Larian has potential. I don't like DOS2 because i don't like modern bs, is easy for us, used to games like Planescape Torment and Dark Sun : Shattered Lands to criticize DOS2, but for a 15 year older who only knows RPG by Dragon Age Inquisition and WoW to love DOS2. Among the games with cooldowns, stat inflation, item fever and other things, DOS2 is the best one(or less worst).

 

[Anonona]

When even Larian fanboys realize that this things are broken, i really wish that Swen is Swen and is listening... Larian has potential. I don't like DOS2 because i don't like modern bs, is easy for us, used to games like Planescape Torment and Dark Sun : Shattered Lands to criticize DOS2, but for a 15 year older who only knows RPG by Dragon Age Inquisition and WoW to love DOS2. Among the games with cooldowns, stat inflation, item fever and other things, DOS2 is the best one(or less worst).

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Impying children or teenager are playing RPGs, let alone CRPGs. They are to busy with Fortnite or whatever game of the season is everyone of their friends playing

 

[Lawntoilet]

Troika is crap... thankfully they're gone.

 

[Morblot]

Yeah, sure. But Pathfinder doesn't have *actually* good adventure paths afaik. Maybe they could try writing one of their own. One set in Geb maybe.

Paizo's entire business was built around the popularity of their adventure paths. There's a lot of fans out there who really like the adventures.

This is true, but it has been said that the APs are written for people who like reading adventures more than they do running or playing them... I myself have only ran (part of) the Doomsday Dawn adventure and it certainly read better than it played, so there's probably some truth to that.

(Quite a few of the Pathfinder Society adventures I've played in were quite formulaic and workmanlike instead of memorable, too, so Paizo is certainly not infallible.)

 

[Gangrelrumbler]

Also, I had been thinking that instead of Baldur's Gate, WoTC should had let them do a Spelljammer game instead. Seems like their writing style would fit the setting more as well as their penchant for impressive and chaotic battles, wouldn't it?

The problem is that WoTC doesn't give two shits about Spelljammer to any extent. They are focused on what is popular and recognizable, which is Forgotten Realms, region Sword Coast and the North.
Forgotten Realms is the new basic setting for the 5th edition. They didn't release a full guide to Forgotten Realms this edition, they released a guide which is specifically focused on the Sword Coast, most o the modules take place in this region. WoTC released a bunch of board games taking place in the region, the best of which was Lords of Waterdeep.
If BG3 is successful that means heightened interest in Dungeons and Dragons, FR setting and modules taking place there especially Descent into Avernus which takes place in Baldur's Gate, as well as FR books and board games.
If Larian made a best-selling speljammer video game WoTC has no products that could cash-in on that.
WoTC may be your standard stupid, greedy corporation but they are not as dumb as Marvel which decided to kill Tony Stark while the character was the star of perhaps the most profitable movie series ever. WoTC wants ALL synergy money they can get.

 

[Cryomancer]

Gangrelrumbler, amazing post. Unfortnetly D&D 5e is mostly sword coast low level adventures only... I would love to see spelljammer setting or even something complete new. Imagine campaign in ANY elemental plane. From City of Embers to the Arrogant and Chaotic Marids on Plane of Water.

Talking about spelljammer, anyone know where i can find a copy of Spelljammer: Pirates of Realmspace?

 

[rusty_shackleford]

how can you losers argue for 609 fucking pages about a game that isn't even out yet

 

[Gangrelrumbler]

Gangrelrumbler, amazing post. Unfortnetly D&D 5e is mostly sword coast low level adventures only... I would love to see spelljammer setting or even something complete new. Imagine campaign in ANY elemental plane. From City of Embers to the Arrogant and Chaotic Marids on Plane of Water.

True dat. I wouldn't mind Plaescape receiving some love after all these years. It's been left to rot for 20 years now I think. It's almost uncanny how underused it is. I mean seriously, nothing except for Modrons getting into the monster manual and some mention of Sigil in the Manual of the Planes?
I mean from the business perspective, what is the reason for completely ignoring a setting that is completely tied to the DnD brand on multiple levels and filled to the brim with concepts copyrighted by WOTC. Perhaps they could release one sourcebook in 20 years just to check if anyone is interested.

Talking about spelljammer, anyone know where i can find a copy of Spelljammer: Pirates of Realmspace?

Abandonia has it for download. SSI is long gone there's no need to be concerned with the copyright law.

 

[Elex]

WoTC wants ALL synergy money they can get.

Well this is why magic the gathering have TWO setting book in 5e.
For now.

 

[Gangrelrumbler]

WoTC wants ALL synergy money they can get.

Well this is why magic the gathering have TWO setting book in 5e.
For now.

Thanks for reminding me about that.

 

[DraQ]

I think the problem with D:OS 1 is that they try to tell an epic story but the mood/atmosphere of the game is more like a children's bed story. That doesn't fit together. I mean just take the beginning. You are trying to resolve some small scale murder in a fantasy town and then suddenly you are the only person's that can stop the end of the universe, who has to stop the end of time. It doesn't help that the exposition is done by some retarded imp called ZixZax. That just doesn't add up. Am i supposed to take it seriously or am i supposed to laugh about it ? The whole end of time storyline is superfluous and they shouldn't have tried to make the story epic for no good reason.

The end of time storyline could have been cool (if only for the WTF factor being teleported there for the first time creates), but I don't think they ultimately went in the direction I kind of expected them to (I haven't actually finished DOS1).

Other than that I agree, the tone just doesn't work.
Whimsical should imply sense of wonder, rather than writing being infantile and pedestrian.

Ok, which Larian games have you played?

Divinity: Original Sin and Divinity: Original Sin 2.

Then maybe you should play some more, say Divinity 2 (DKS) so that you at least know what the fuck are you talking about?
Divinity 2 has Larian's (now) typical mechanical problems in the form of bloat and cooldowns, but steady trickle of humour is one of the chief reasons to play it.

1) I am not talking about Larian's writing:

The problem isn't the writing itself, it's the attempt at humor. And not just the attempt at humor, but the quantity of it.

2) I meant Divinity: Original Sin in particular in this regard. I guess the reason people talk about "Larian's humor" in context of Divinity: Orginal Sin 2 is because it inherited that optics, so it gets bundled together, even though Divinity: Original Sin 2 is trying less at being funny at all times. You can see people on reddit noticing this as well: https://www.reddit.com/r/DivinityOriginalSin/comments/70966r/what_happened_to_the_goofy_humor/

Except ONLY DOS1 had ANY problems with quality OR quantity of humour. Prior games tend to have a lot of it and high quality, DOS2 has much less of it and actually pretty good, so how come something that only ever happened in one game in the series of 5 (not counting expansion) is suddenly Larian's humour if it's in no way indicative of typical Larian's humour?

Do we talk about typical Bethesda's boobs (or, say, seasons, or climbing skill, or massive labyrinthine dungeons) because of Daggerfall?

When even Larian fanboys realize that this things are broken, i really wish that Swen is Swen and is listening...

I am no one's fanboy. When things are broken they just are.