Kiste
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Don't be such a pussy. Shut up and take the big bear cock, like you are supposed to.
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Baldur's Gate Baldur's Gate 3 RELEASE THREAD
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Don't be such a pussy. Shut up and take the big bear cock, like you are supposed to.
D&D back in the day: Adventuring parties smiting demons and devils, killing orcs and saving villagers. Moral panic.
D&D today: intercourse with fiends in hell, making friends with mindflayers, allowing drow to live without slaying them on sight. No moral panic.
It's called "progress."
Come on now. You have played the game, don't you think the ratio between adventuring and degeneracy, aka sex stuff is a bit skewed? Even the legendary Elminster has BDSM gear in his wardrobe.
Mortmal
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Where did I lie, exactly? I have all the Faerun novels in my library – not my proudest purchases, as there are better fantasy books out there. However, the setting is quite clear: there's sex, and a lot of it, in Faerun. The Simbul, an archmage with a multitude of lovers of both sexes, and Elminster – enough said. The drow society with its matriarchal structure also contributes to this aspect. If anyone has doubts, simply take a look at the ancient Dungeons & Dragons artwork, and it becomes evident.
Mebrilia the Viera Queen
Self-Ejected
Elminster was forced to be a woman for a while by Mystra
Yes, all the ones with sex are from after Wizards bought TSR. Why the lie of omission? You do know that if it contained anything sexual in it under TSR it would have never been published. So I ask again why the lies?
Also what the fuck does this have to do with Mebs claim that sex was always a part of D&D? Can you disprove the Code of Ethics from 1984? Do you have any counter evidence to show that what she said is true? No, you can't. This is why you created a strawman. Now, you bring up the strawman again and you'll get silence. No more logical fallacies.
Shaki
Arbiter
If what I read on reddit is true, this thing here is pretty much the whole "poly" thing they advertised with romances. Every companion is monogamous, except if you also want to fuck Halsin, then you can have him convince the other companion to "share" and engage in bear fucking with you. Y'all thought companions are all playersexual, but they're also all bearsexual.Oh fuck it just gets worse, take a hint nigger.
I have a really strong feeling that Halsin is just a self-insert of one of the Larian writers who's really into furry shit.
Mebrilia the Viera Queen
Self-Ejected
This... They have no idea lol.
Latro
Arcane
Someone should dig up Gary and ask him if he always wanted BDSM in his tabletop sessions
Mebrilia the Viera Queen
Self-Ejected
Thats not relevant.
Mortmal
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WOTC bought them in 1997 only. Lot of the novels were published way before that.
I find it a bit strange that I have no need for a wizard in my party.
Just my impression or full arcane casters are less essential here?
Just my impression or full arcane casters are less essential here?
You'd be surprised since Gary Gygax and Dave Arneson were both Christians. Staunchly at that. Let me show you how wrong you are with the TSR Code of Ethics circa 1984.
Point 4. All scenes of horror, excessive bloodshed, gory or gruesome scenes, depravity, lust, sadism, and masochism shall not be permitted.
Point 6. Profanity, obscenity/smut, vulgarity or words or symbols which have aquired undesirable meanings - judged by contemporary standards - are prohibited.
I draw your attention to point 10. Nudity in any form is prohibited. Suggestive and salacious scenes are unacceptable.
Point 11. Illicit sex relations are not to be portrayed or discussed and sexual abnormalities are unacceptable.
Point 12. Rape or seduction are never to be portrayed or discussed.
Notice point 13. It clearly says Sex perversion or any inference to same is strictly forbidden.
So you just lied about what is D&D. 6 of 13 points says that you're a goddamn liar.
Did you have anything intelligent to add that actually pertains to the history of the D&D game?
Well, in that case BG/BG2 had already screwed the pooch (so to speak
) and this game is just a further slide down the slippery slope.You should play this though James, there is some fun to be had with it - it's 70% well done responsive virtual world with great moments of immersion, 30% degenerate trash, something like that. It's more a good game than it is bad, and the good bits are sometimes very good indeed, fully as good (relative to time) as the BGs.
I think the reason why this is a hit is the same reason why the BGs were breakout hits - at its best, the CRPG is an adventure simulator and a gesamtkunstwerk (a total work of art using various different artistic forms), and the better the graphics the better that can be brought out. Because we can't yet have realtime (holodeck-like) simulation, we make do with abstraction, and abstraction has its own intrinsic charms, but fundamentally the holodeck is what most people really want, and CRPGs are occasional hits the closer they inch to that every few generations.
And as to the 5e issue, yeah it's streamlined, and yeah I like the quasi-simulationist intricacy of the older systems, but there's something to be said for combat that flows quickly and smoothly too. It depends on how you look at it, and sometimes just what mood you're in. Well it is for me anyway, I like all sorts of games and take them for what they are.
CHARNAME: "Hey bro you are some kinda swole Elf guy you must have a Mrs or something right?"
Halsin: "Let me Poz your bussy with massive bear loads also I will cuck you"
CHARNAME: "Bhaal was right billions must die."
I already did and presented the Code of Ethics from 1984 when Gary was still there. There are prior versions of the Code of Ethics floating around and maybe Zed Duke of Banville has a copy of them. He should also weigh in on the entire sex was always a part of D&D.
Really? You brought it up. Why are you running away from your statement? Why are you refusing to admit that you were wrong?
More lies of omission I see. I have the novels from TSR. None of them had sex scenes in them.
No, I won't play trash. I'm too respectable for that.
Not an answer, but are you saying women are deviants?
Mortmal
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When Fran Kowalski was on the phone with him, he purportedly reacted with astonishment, exclaiming, "A woman? A woman?" "A woman? No way... A woman...You are a woman". So, I'm not entirely convinced about his openness to the idea of BDSM in D&D.
Mebrilia the Viera Queen
Self-Ejected
I think Mortmal gave all the info you needed if you wish to keep being blind is your problem. Also forgotten realms is not a Gigax creation.
Latro
Arcane
BG2 is a bit prudish compared to the incel shit in BG3 tbh. Who knew we would look back at Gaider and admire his restraint?
You'd be surprised since Gary Gygax and Dave Arneson were both Christians. Staunchly at that. Let me show you how wrong you are with the TSR Code of Ethics circa 1984.
Point 4. All scenes of horror, excessive bloodshed, gory or gruesome scenes, depravity, lust, sadism, and masochism shall not be permitted.
Point 6. Profanity, obscenity/smut, vulgarity or words or symbols which have aquired undesirable meanings - judged by contemporary standards - are prohibited.
I draw your attention to point 10. Nudity in any form is prohibited. Suggestive and salacious scenes are unacceptable.
Point 11. Illicit sex relations are not to be portrayed or discussed and sexual abnormalities are unacceptable.
Point 12. Rape or seduction are never to be portrayed or discussed.
Notice point 13. It clearly says Sex perversion or any inference to same is strictly forbidden.
So you just lied about what is D&D. 6 of 13 points says that you're a goddamn liar.
Did you have anything intelligent to add that actually pertains to the history of the D&D game?
Well, in that case BG/BG2 had already screwed the pooch (so to speak
You should play this though James, there is some fun to be had with it - it's 70% well done responsive virtual world with great moments of immersion, 30% degenerate trash, something like that. It's more a good game than it is bad, and the good bits are sometimes very good indeed, fully as good (relative to time) as the BGs.
I think the reason why this is a hit is the same reason why the BGs were breakout hits - at its best, the CRPG is an adventure simulator and a gesamtkunstwerk (a total work of art using various different artistic forms), and the better the graphics the better that can be brought out. Because we can't yet have realtime (holodeck-like) simulation, we make do with abstraction, and abstraction has its own intrinsic charms, but fundamentally the holodeck is what most people really want, and CRPGs are occasional hits the closer they inch to that every few generations.
And as to the 5e issue, yeah it's streamlined, and yeah I like the quasi-simulationist intricacy of the older systems, but there's something to be said for combat that flows quickly and smoothly too. It depends on how you look at it, and sometimes just what mood you're in. Well it is for me anyway, I like all sorts of games and take them for what they are.
The only one that's blind and retarded is you. What's the matter Mebs can't adult and take responsibility for being wrong?
Also, Forgotten Realms was published by Gary. He said no sex in the world and that held until Wizards. Now you can shut the fuck about the entire there was sex from the beginning of D&D. Like all women you've never even played the game at the table.
Lemming42
Arcane
I don't know if this is intended to refer to the points I raised or not (if not, just disregard this post), but since your message came as part of a chain that started with one of my posts:
Again, it's not a problem with sex, it's a problem with the tone-deaf depiction of something that in the real world has nothing to do with actual consensual sex and everything to do with coercion and the exploitation of impoverished and vulnerable people, many of whom are not making "choices" about their "way of life" but instead being actively forced into doing things they don't want to do. This is akin to claiming that people concerned about the health effects McDonalds just hate food, or that people concerned about pollution just hate breathing.
I don't care that everyone in your party wants to touch your genitals (beyond the fact that it's just strangely implemented and badly written), nor does the occasional bit of weird kink shit bother me, some of which was amusing. It's the brothel, specifically, that I object to, because the writers seemingly had no familiarity or awareness of the gravity of what they were actually writing about, and also refused the player the chance to interrogate what was happening or voice any kind of concern, despite the fact that this concern is stated to exist in-universe - which is just straightforwardly bad design in a self-styled "choice-heavy" RPG like this one, even before you get into any thornier issues.
I don't care about D&D canon and whether or not this was always there from 1975, I'll happily admit I'm a casual. If this kind of depiction of prostitution was being written in 1975, it was objectionable then just as it's objectionable now. For comparison's sake, the Temple of Dibella in the Elder Scrolls, which is also full of people who have casual sex with visitors, doesn't bother me at all, because there's no transaction of money or direct parallels to real-world prostitution being drawn, and it doesn't get brought up directly after the player encounters the demographic of people most likely to be trafficked into the sex trade in real life.
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Mebrilia the Viera Queen
Self-Ejected
Because the old bgs never depicted the realms by the creator vision. And games at the time were aimed to teens. Wich is not the case for BG3. Bg3 is more true to the original FR creator vision.BG2 is a bit prudish compared to the incel shit in BG3 tbh. Who knew we would look back at Gaider and admire his restraint?
You'd be surprised since Gary Gygax and Dave Arneson were both Christians. Staunchly at that. Let me show you how wrong you are with the TSR Code of Ethics circa 1984.
Point 4. All scenes of horror, excessive bloodshed, gory or gruesome scenes, depravity, lust, sadism, and masochism shall not be permitted.
Point 6. Profanity, obscenity/smut, vulgarity or words or symbols which have aquired undesirable meanings - judged by contemporary standards - are prohibited.
I draw your attention to point 10. Nudity in any form is prohibited. Suggestive and salacious scenes are unacceptable.
Point 11. Illicit sex relations are not to be portrayed or discussed and sexual abnormalities are unacceptable.
Point 12. Rape or seduction are never to be portrayed or discussed.
Notice point 13. It clearly says Sex perversion or any inference to same is strictly forbidden.
So you just lied about what is D&D. 6 of 13 points says that you're a goddamn liar.
Did you have anything intelligent to add that actually pertains to the history of the D&D game?
Well, in that case BG/BG2 had already screwed the pooch (so to speak
You should play this though James, there is some fun to be had with it - it's 70% well done responsive virtual world with great moments of immersion, 30% degenerate trash, something like that. It's more a good game than it is bad, and the good bits are sometimes very good indeed, fully as good (relative to time) as the BGs.
I think the reason why this is a hit is the same reason why the BGs were breakout hits - at its best, the CRPG is an adventure simulator and a gesamtkunstwerk (a total work of art using various different artistic forms), and the better the graphics the better that can be brought out. Because we can't yet have realtime (holodeck-like) simulation, we make do with abstraction, and abstraction has its own intrinsic charms, but fundamentally the holodeck is what most people really want, and CRPGs are occasional hits the closer they inch to that every few generations.
And as to the 5e issue, yeah it's streamlined, and yeah I like the quasi-simulationist intricacy of the older systems, but there's something to be said for combat that flows quickly and smoothly too. It depends on how you look at it, and sometimes just what mood you're in. Well it is for me anyway, I like all sorts of games and take them for what they are.
Mebrilia the Viera Queen
Self-Ejected
Then Gary agreed with Ed vision. Hat was what i posted. Wrong again.
Latro
Arcane
Didn’t Dixon just establish Greenwood came later with his incel fantasy shit?Because the old bgs never depicted the realms by the creator vision. And games at the time were aimed to teens. Wich is not the case for BG3. Bg3 is more true to the original FR creator vision.BG2 is a bit prudish compared to the incel shit in BG3 tbh. Who knew we would look back at Gaider and admire his restraint?
You'd be surprised since Gary Gygax and Dave Arneson were both Christians. Staunchly at that. Let me show you how wrong you are with the TSR Code of Ethics circa 1984.
Point 4. All scenes of horror, excessive bloodshed, gory or gruesome scenes, depravity, lust, sadism, and masochism shall not be permitted.
Point 6. Profanity, obscenity/smut, vulgarity or words or symbols which have aquired undesirable meanings - judged by contemporary standards - are prohibited.
I draw your attention to point 10. Nudity in any form is prohibited. Suggestive and salacious scenes are unacceptable.
Point 11. Illicit sex relations are not to be portrayed or discussed and sexual abnormalities are unacceptable.
Point 12. Rape or seduction are never to be portrayed or discussed.
Notice point 13. It clearly says Sex perversion or any inference to same is strictly forbidden.
So you just lied about what is D&D. 6 of 13 points says that you're a goddamn liar.
Did you have anything intelligent to add that actually pertains to the history of the D&D game?
Well, in that case BG/BG2 had already screwed the pooch (so to speak
You should play this though James, there is some fun to be had with it - it's 70% well done responsive virtual world with great moments of immersion, 30% degenerate trash, something like that. It's more a good game than it is bad, and the good bits are sometimes very good indeed, fully as good (relative to time) as the BGs.
I think the reason why this is a hit is the same reason why the BGs were breakout hits - at its best, the CRPG is an adventure simulator and a gesamtkunstwerk (a total work of art using various different artistic forms), and the better the graphics the better that can be brought out. Because we can't yet have realtime (holodeck-like) simulation, we make do with abstraction, and abstraction has its own intrinsic charms, but fundamentally the holodeck is what most people really want, and CRPGs are occasional hits the closer they inch to that every few generations.
And as to the 5e issue, yeah it's streamlined, and yeah I like the quasi-simulationist intricacy of the older systems, but there's something to be said for combat that flows quickly and smoothly too. It depends on how you look at it, and sometimes just what mood you're in. Well it is for me anyway, I like all sorts of games and take them for what they are.
It has some trash, it has elements of trash, it contains some trash, but most of it's not trash. If you have any feeling for the CRPG as an adventure sim, you will find lots to like.
But somebody has to hold the line, I guess
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