Baldur's Gate Baldur's Gate 3 RELEASE THREAD

[janior]

also don't like how the initial fight is much harder than the general himself, guy was a oneshot

 

[Tyranicon]

also don't like how the initial fight is much harder than the general himself, guy was a oneshot

The power of turn economy. Any fight against a single boss without loads of legendary resistances, lair actions and multiattacks is doomed to be a free kill.

 

[Sunri]

also don't like how the initial fight is much harder than the general himself, guy was a oneshot

Hes just an old boomer bigot living in his tower

 

[Lagole Gon]

Lmao i love Minsc and party reaction to him a Boo

Bruv, you should check yourself for AIDS if you are shagging her.

 

[AwesomeButton]

I mean Jaheira doesn't even wear armor, so that goes about as expected.

She's been in countless fights tougher than some cult goons, but still immediately gets ganked.

Yeah she's senile.

guess u could ask her to join your party and make her hide in the corner for the entire fight lol, she needs a buff or something, an elite cult goon is at least 2 times stronger

The fight is actually piss easy according to friend of mine (I know you are reading!).

As I understand it the trick to that fight is to counterspell the casters, haste your own casters and CC the halberdiers and the other guy that casts the made-up "Black Hole" ability. There are a number of protections that you can cast on Jaheira, though she will negate some of them by attacking, so this shortens the list.
I assume that for this to happen painlessly, you should try to get as far ahead of the harpers as possible when you are going down the corridor.

 

[Sunri]

Lmao i love Minsc and party reaction to him a Boo

Bruv, you should check yourself for AIDS.

I gave everyone space aids but now that i got Minsc and Jaheira Im thinking about swapping to good urge btw you can't convince Misc to eat super tadpole because Emperor is a retard and changed into Dynaheir and tried to seduce him...

 

[Lagole Gon]

I mean Jaheira doesn't even wear armor, so that goes about as expected.

She's been in countless fights tougher than some cult goons, but still immediately gets ganked.

Yeah she's senile.

guess u could ask her to join your party and make her hide in the corner for the entire fight lol, she needs a buff or something, an elite cult goon is at least 2 times stronger

The fight is actually piss easy according to friend of mine (I know you are reading!).

As I understand it the trick to that fight is to counterspell the casters, haste your own casters and CC the halberdiers and the other guy that casts the made-up "Black Hole" ability. There are a number of protections that you can cast on Jaheira, though she will negate some of them by attacking, so this shortens the list.
I assume that for this to happen painlessly, you should try to get as far ahead of the harpers as possible when you are going down the corridor.

This fight is not easy, but I still don't understand why everyone is talking about it like it's a big deal.
I guess I was lucky with rolls and Jaheira AI.
You guys did pickpocket boxed wine from her before the fight, right?

Maybe I had more harpers, because I tried to keep them alive before?

 

[Tyranicon]

I mean Jaheira doesn't even wear armor, so that goes about as expected.

She's been in countless fights tougher than some cult goons, but still immediately gets ganked.

Yeah she's senile.

guess u could ask her to join your party and make her hide in the corner for the entire fight lol, she needs a buff or something, an elite cult goon is at least 2 times stronger

The fight is actually piss easy according to friend of mine (I know you are reading!).

As I understand it the trick to that fight is to counterspell the casters, haste your own casters and CC the halberdiers and the other guy that casts the made-up "Black Hole" ability. There are a number of protections that you can cast on Jaheira, though she will negate some of them by attacking, so this shortens the list.
I assume that for this to happen painlessly, you should try to get as far ahead of the harpers as possible when you are going down the corridor.

An easier way is just to kill the cult mobs in the tower before doing the nightsong quest.

They're easy to split up and murder in their rooms, as long as you take care of the wandering spybots. I killed half the tower in my first run before remembering the Act Boss was immortal and I was railroaded into his quest. I was gonna throw him off the tower, but noooo, he has a stupid immunity to that.

The harpers really don't provide that much help (basically none of the AI-controlled mobs in the games do). They're just a liability.

 

[janior]

also don't like how the initial fight is much harder than the general himself, guy was a oneshot

The power of turn economy. Any fight against a single boss without loads of legendary resistances, lair actions and multiattacks is doomed to be a free kill.

when the cutscene with the tentacle played i was thinking "ok now this is where the real boss fight starts" shamefur dispray

 

[Lyric Suite]

Lmao i love Minsc and party reaction to him a Boo

I'm not laughting. This is the kind of shit only a braindead normie finds funny.

 

[janior]

stop being so grumpy sir

 

[Sunri]

Lmao i love Minsc and party reaction to him a Boo

I'm not laughting. This is the kind of shit only a braindead normie finds funny.

You are bitter old man everything lighthearted and funny is cringe

 

[Modron]

This is the kind of shit only a braindead normie finds funny.

Fans of Misnc were always braindead normies.

 

[Parabalus]

-Give some enemies ... thunderwave

Getting pushed off a cliff by imps in Raphael's basement is the most unfun antifun I had in the game so far.

Insta-kill buttons are rarely fun, especially so when wielded by the enemy but even when wielded by the player. Killing low-level mobs with words of death or similar stuff is ok-ish in some games but when it works on bosses it becomes really unsatisfying (except when it only works when he's weakened, then its good again)

It is especially bad since a push is a bonus action rather than replacing a normal attack. You can usually do your normal attacks and spells and still get your shot at an instakill on top of that. Assuming the terrain has some kind of chasm or steep fall, which many battles do.

The changes Larian made to both Jumping and Pushing are purely to the negative of the game, IMO. Jumping makes positioning much less important as movement is much much easier (ludicrously so) and you can't as effectively use your martial classes to protect your squishier dudes in the back, while pushing is just a very low-cost attempt to either insta-kill someone or put them prone.

Has larian offered any kind of defense or reasoning for these retarded choices?

Their environment design I guess. If you don't position pre-fight you kinda need the jump change because enemies often start in better position than you, up high. I think jumps should be purely vertical and not a replacement for horizontal movement which it often ends up being. I don't mind that change much because everything was designed with it in mind and enemies abuse it as well.
The shove one is a bit more of a problem as there are too many insta death chasms around imo (although getting rid of bosses this way does cut you of good rewards), but it feels pretty great if you just play with surfaces/cloud of daggers. Otherwise it would not be useable in most scenario as attacking with a weapon would be a better choice for the most part.


I am much more annoyed at stuff like the haste change for example.

By making it easier to get out of a bad starting position it also just makes positioning less important, period. And that actually weakens all their level/encounter design. When all it takes to get around the fact that an enemy ranged attacker is on high ground you can't quickly get up to is one bonus action, then that negates the value of having terrain like that in the first place.

Larian did a lot of beautiful level/encounter design. But the fact that jump brings us half-way to having both sides line up and take turns attacking whichever enemy they want to negates a lot of that.

And it isn't all just the player getting out of bad positioning. That also lets the enemy negate your goof positioning that gains you an advantage.

I would much rather deal with having to retry some fights where I make adjustments to the initial positioning of my party and keep the importance of the positioning to enhance the level/encounter design.

Enemies do try and push you into chasms if they can, it would be more noticeable if battles lasted longer.

 

[Lawntoilet]

This is the kind of shit only a braindead normie finds funny.

Fans of Misnc were always braindead normies.

I don't think he wasn't obnoxious in BG1, and his VA was good. He's no Edwin of course.

 

[Barbarian]

Been running into bugs way too often act 2. Can't even imagine the bugfest that act 3 must be.

Decided to hold out for PS5 release and start a new game(probably first actual patch will be inbound by then).

Anyway, real good game so far and not nearly as woke as some make it out to be. Nothing frontloaded really. Believe it or not I would have hardly noticed it if it weren't for all the hypes and memes preceding the release.

The one thing that really jumps the eye(and that you start noticing after a while) is that nobody ever seems to refer to you as "he" or "she". Faerun is now magical mystical gender neutral land it seems. I suppose that is the way larian got around that "non-binary" option at character creation - they literally wrote and recorded all voiced dialog in a way to ignore refering to PC "gender identity".

 

[Barbarian]

Difficulty is something of an issue on tactician. There were a few tough fights that call to mind, but if you do a "completionist" run like I was doing it seems you will always be one level above what the fights were designed for - at least that is how it felt. Not only that but you can get some pretty powerful gear loadout very early. Even +1 items are also easy and cheap to come by early and in 5e they make a lot of difference early levels.

Didn't finish act 2 but I imagine you will reach level 12 long before reaching the final act if you do everything.

 

[Tyranicon]

 

[volklore]

-Give some enemies ... thunderwave

Getting pushed off a cliff by imps in Raphael's basement is the most unfun antifun I had in the game so far.

Insta-kill buttons are rarely fun, especially so when wielded by the enemy but even when wielded by the player. Killing low-level mobs with words of death or similar stuff is ok-ish in some games but when it works on bosses it becomes really unsatisfying (except when it only works when he's weakened, then its good again)

It is especially bad since a push is a bonus action rather than replacing a normal attack. You can usually do your normal attacks and spells and still get your shot at an instakill on top of that. Assuming the terrain has some kind of chasm or steep fall, which many battles do.

The changes Larian made to both Jumping and Pushing are purely to the negative of the game, IMO. Jumping makes positioning much less important as movement is much much easier (ludicrously so) and you can't as effectively use your martial classes to protect your squishier dudes in the back, while pushing is just a very low-cost attempt to either insta-kill someone or put them prone.

Has larian offered any kind of defense or reasoning for these retarded choices?

Their environment design I guess. If you don't position pre-fight you kinda need the jump change because enemies often start in better position than you, up high. I think jumps should be purely vertical and not a replacement for horizontal movement which it often ends up being. I don't mind that change much because everything was designed with it in mind and enemies abuse it as well.
The shove one is a bit more of a problem as there are too many insta death chasms around imo (although getting rid of bosses this way does cut you of good rewards), but it feels pretty great if you just play with surfaces/cloud of daggers. Otherwise it would not be useable in most scenario as attacking with a weapon would be a better choice for the most part.


I am much more annoyed at stuff like the haste change for example.

By making it easier to get out of a bad starting position it also just makes positioning less important, period. And that actually weakens all their level/encounter design. When all it takes to get around the fact that an enemy ranged attacker is on high ground you can't quickly get up to is one bonus action, then that negates the value of having terrain like that in the first place.

Larian did a lot of beautiful level/encounter design. But the fact that jump brings us half-way to having both sides line up and take turns attacking whichever enemy they want to negates a lot of that.

And it isn't all just the player getting out of bad positioning. That also lets the enemy negate your goof positioning that gains you an advantage.

I would much rather deal with having to retry some fights where I make adjustments to the initial positioning of my party and keep the importance of the positioning to enhance the level/encounter design.

Being able to position characters during dialog is very annoying imo, I really find it stupid. Positioning your chars pre-fight is even worse than having higher mobility since it makes mobility a non-factor for non melee. Even with the jump changes, non martials can struggle positioning properly for optimal concentration defense or range dmg. Unless they have spell slots or some amulet with misty step (which are usually once/24hours), or buffed with extra jump distance (which does take an action: I know you can technically use those pre fight but I don't think it was intended that way).
The crux of it is, Larian makes flashy TB combat and high mobility and lots of actions are part of this. This is likely the reason for their haste change as well (although I disagree with that particular change). In fact that's how they made turn based popular again with normies with DOS1 and 2. Again environments are made for it, and they would probably be much more annoying to navigate without (on top of making movespeed straight up best stat, enjoy the wood elf spam). They don't want you to be stuck just moving for a round and that's how they design everything. Although in this aspect BG3 is much more tame that DoS2 (just like BG3 gameplay could be defined as tamer DoS2 with a core of 5E rules)

 

[volklore]

Enemies do try and push you into chasms if they can, it would be more noticeable if battles lasted longer.

They also shove their allies to wake them up form sleep for example. Makes sleep less of a free CC early game if you do it close to another enemy that takes a turn right after.

 

[koyota]

guess u could ask her to join your party and make her hide in the corner for the entire fight lol, she needs a buff or something, an elite cult goon is at least 2 times stronger

The fight is actually piss easy according to friend of mine (I know you are reading!).

As I understand it the trick to that fight is to counterspell the casters, haste your own casters and CC the halberdiers and the other guy that casts the made-up "Black Hole" ability. There are a number of protections that you can cast on Jaheira, though she will negate some of them by attacking, so this shortens the list.
I assume that for this to happen painlessly, you should try to get as far ahead of the harpers as possible when you are going down the corridor.

Love the the different experiences everyone had on this.

Tactician:
My problem was keeping my party alive, Not Jaheria

Came in after fighting through the Dungeon, Side Entrance with most of my spells depleted and they aggroed on my party instead of the Harpers/ Fist.

Void Bulb -> AOE scrolls -> Cloak Of Dagger -> Hasted Bloodlust Ranger
No idea why but Jaheria transformed to a panther when her HP was low, restored HP and ripped the didn`t die from AOE stragglers to shreds, as hold person worked on the Warden.

 

[Swen]

Seriously if you'd listen to the retards here hating on the game and they'd make a game it would be garbage with ZERO fun factor.

 

[MerchantKing]

Seriously if you'd listen to the retards here hating on the game and they'd make a game it would be garbage with ZERO fun factor.

There's already zero fun in the game.

 

[janior]

hold person, turn undead, fireball are def mvp spells for my party in this game

 

[gurugeorge]

Funnily enough about the woke themes, the lae'zel romance is really not following this at all. It starts with her being all bossy, i dominate you type stuff, progresses with her pretending the mc is more into her than she is, then locks you in the romance proper when she litterally asks you to dominate her. In game it being a duel where if you win, she submits. I wonder if the woke squadron is already complaining the Lae'zel romance destroys her strong wamen archetype.

I'd reckon the Minthara scene after annihilating the Grove would receive even more attention than that. She straightup tells you she's gonna sleep with you, whether you want her to or not. Rejecting her in the camp, no matter how I tried, ended up with her fighting/killing me. So yeah, she essentially rapes you, but I have yet to hear complaints over that. It just goes to show that at the end of the day, no one really cares if its a one-off, especially if it makes sense within the setting. Having this many bisexual companions doesn't really make sense, but it's just one small blip in the entire thing, and I can see it for the cheap marketing ploy that it is, without it letting affect my enjoyment of the game. The game is overtly sexual, especially in Act 1, but that seems to be more for shock factor than them trying to please a certain type of consumer or push a specific agenda. It dies down hard anyway by the time you finish act 1.

Meh. It's always been the whole woke (voluntary) blindspot that rape is a purely male on female or male on child crime. Other forms of rape are barely acknowledged as existing. So yeah I'd say a female drow raping the MC would be given a pass easily. Compared to a strong wamen character framed as femdom later revealed to only deply wanting to find a man strong enough to be submissive to.

Even when I was a Feminist, I kind of questioned the fixed association between rape and males. When women rape they tend to rape young boys (obviously because of the physical strength disparity), and it's not a negligible percentage by any means, and far from the snickering types of comment would insinuate, the young boy doesn't always luck out with a rapey hottie.

The really curious thing is the automatic association of the pokey thing as the only "positive" value - as if a prehensile "mouth" figuratively eating and digesting something and sucking it dry weren't the more universal and primeval form of dominance, or as if the male's giving of seed couldn't be given a "negative," passive or sacrificial value too.