Baldur's Gate Baldur's Gate 3 RELEASE THREAD

[janior]

Does anyone else feels like magic users are really underpowered? Once I tap out of my cc/aoe dmg spells they are just kinda useless compared to melee.

 

[Black]

Why are you overthinking this shit?

He doesn't understand fun

BG2 is a game I haven't played in like 15 years, but if I recall wasn't it a similar hodpodge of every DnD trope out there? From illithids, to beholders, drow, githyanki and the planes?

Yes but not in the first 5 minutes.

Don't you literally meet a djinn in BG2's tutorial dungeon?

Yeah, a djinn in the sequel, when you already start out as a seasoned adventurer.
BG3 starts with a naughty loid in hell. And then drops to regular goblins.

What you guys not understand is this: Game is BG3. It's the third entry to a series that is known for its epicness in scale. Yes, here you start at level 1 but D&D 5e is different to fucking AD&D and tackles things differently. Look at the 5e modules, you go against dragons as soon as the starter set begins.
Also nobody would care if BG3 would send you rat killing again. Or god forbid, do the NWN2 slogfest again. This game starts with a bang. To catch the audience. To show them, what's in store.

After that you pretty much deal with gobbos, worgs, gnolls and skellies in the wilderness. Pretty basic low level shit huh? Do you guys even know the concept of fun? Like, no wonder that all these "prestigious" games people wank each others cocks around here are only played by hundreds of people instead of millions.
Because they are fucking boring. All these arguments fall apart once you strip them of the sophism. Touch some grass, I beg you.

What you don't understand is this: pacing and scale.

 

[Junmarko]

Camera, movement and UI are worse than in NWN2.

Haven't had time to play at all due to work, but the camera was preventing me from playing the game for longer than 20mins at a time anyway. It really started to get on my nerves.

Just installed this and holy shit...how did the game not come with this at launch? It actually feels playable now.

Can zoom out 4 times as far and hold middle click to tilt the camera.

https://www.nexusmods.com/baldursgate3/mods/945?tab=description

 

[Shaki]

BG3 is a charming and coherent fantasy adventure with a good pacing. Lots of high-quality meat and potatos set pieces with good writing. You're just blind to it because you wanted something different and it's not doing that. Your loss.

Nigger you're still in act one why do you keep arguing with people about act 2-3 writing, you literally just blindly shilling, come back after you finish the game, and tell us how great and charming the writing was.

 

[Eisenheinrich]

Why are you overthinking this shit?

He doesn't understand fun

BG2 is a game I haven't played in like 15 years, but if I recall wasn't it a similar hodpodge of every DnD trope out there? From illithids, to beholders, drow, githyanki and the planes?

Yes but not in the first 5 minutes.

Don't you literally meet a djinn in BG2's tutorial dungeon?

Yeah, a djinn in the sequel, when you already start out as a seasoned adventurer.
BG3 starts with a naughty loid in hell. And then drops to regular goblins.

What you guys not understand is this: Game is BG3. It's the third entry to a series that is known for its epicness in scale. Yes, here you start at level 1 but D&D 5e is different to fucking AD&D and tackles things differently. Look at the 5e modules, you go against dragons as soon as the starter set begins.
Also nobody would care if BG3 would send you rat killing again. Or god forbid, do the NWN2 slogfest again. This game starts with a bang. To catch the audience. To show them, what's in store.

After that you pretty much deal with gobbos, worgs, gnolls and skellies in the wilderness. Pretty basic low level shit huh? Do you guys even know the concept of fun? Like, no wonder that all these "prestigious" games people wank each others cocks around here are only played by hundreds of people instead of millions.
Because they are fucking boring. All these arguments fall apart once you strip them of the sophism. Touch some grass, I beg you.

What you don't understand is this: pacing and scale.

I do understand pacing and scale pretty well.
What you want is this: Bore, sizzle, bang.
BG3 goes: Bang, sizzle, bang.

You argue about nothing. Really no one but a handful of spergs here is concerned about this "issue" to begin with.

You must be an asset to every gaming company, I bet.

 

[Black]

You argue about nothing.

Then don't read it and spare me your shilling. I talked about how bad the scale is since the game's EA.

 

[Eisenheinrich]

You argue about nothing.

Then don't read it and spare me your shilling. I talked about how bad the scale is since the game's EA.

Oh shilling it is, because I don't adhere to your stick-in-ass-standards. Right buddy. Well played.

So sorry that I didn't care for your posts since the EA. So much value lost on me.

 

[Darkwind]

About the party:

Even gheys aren't this cringe. Autism seems to express itself in sexual relations as obliviousness to sexual polarity. So incel dorks endlessly strike out trying to act like the wives/gfs they're seeking (unwittingly turning off the women they're trying to pursue by doing so). This is familiar enough to everyone but the dorks, the women who despise them, the parents who encourage them to do this, and whoever made it a societal norm.

What is less obvious is how this plays out on the female side (cough, Karlack, cough). She acts like the sexy carefree (fuck yeah!) bastard she's seeking signaling to men that she's a cheap lay but a poor long-term investment, so they "let" her have "her" (it makes most women acting like this miserable to achieve that which they've been taught to seek) way with them and don't bother with anything but cheesy pick-up lines because that's all it takes to get what they want, and more to the point don't (long-term attachment to a slut). The male characters (outside Astarion) aren't gay, you're playing a slut* simulator.

It's the gheymergate journo dream cum to fruition. Female lead writers were a mistake.

* - This is where Gale's fuck or kill option they had to modify comes from. Marry was always off the table.

This is a nice piece of meta-commentary that far supersedes just BG3. You've just described the absolutely backwards and upside down socio-sexual hierarchy circa 2023. Brought to you exclusively by decades of relentless propaganda, 3rd wave feminism, and the (((puppeteers))) that are running the entire show behind the scenes.

 

[Desiderius]

Does anyone else feels like magic users are really underpowered? Once I tap out of my cc/aoe dmg spells they are just kinda useless compared to melee.

There are spells like Witch Bolt (upcast with Wet does a lot on damage and can be applied initially from Stealth/High ground) and Call Lightning that give you extra staying power if you want that. You can also supplement with consumables and strategically applied cantrips. Bottom line is that you're given a lot of rest and story progression depends on it so no reason not to let loose to some extent. Wiz specifically brings a lot of utility to the table with Longstrider, Enhance Leap and the like to get the party into advantageous positions. Gale as Human can equip Shields (turns Staff into Wand) so with Mage Armor and the like can even end up reasonably tanky, especially as Abjurer.

 

[Desiderius]

About the party:

Even gheys aren't this cringe. Autism seems to express itself in sexual relations as obliviousness to sexual polarity. So incel dorks endlessly strike out trying to act like the wives/gfs they're seeking (unwittingly turning off the women they're trying to pursue by doing so). This is familiar enough to everyone but the dorks, the women who despise them, the parents who encourage them to do this, and whoever made it a societal norm.

What is less obvious is how this plays out on the female side (cough, Karlack, cough). She acts like the sexy carefree (fuck yeah!) bastard she's seeking signaling to men that she's a cheap lay but a poor long-term investment, so they "let" her have "her" (it makes most women acting like this miserable to achieve that which they've been taught to seek) way with them and don't bother with anything but cheesy pick-up lines because that's all it takes to get what they want, and more to the point don't (long-term attachment to a slut). The male characters (outside Astarion) aren't gay, you're playing a slut* simulator.

It's the gheymergate journo dream cum to fruition. Female lead writers were a mistake.

* - This is where Gale's fuck or kill option they had to modify comes from. Marry was always off the table.

This is a nice piece of meta-commentary that far supersedes just BG3. You've just described the absolutely backwards and upside down socio-sexual hierarchy circa 2023. Brought to you exclusively by decades of relentless propaganda, 3rd wave feminism, and the (((puppeteers))) that are running the entire show behind the scenes.

Maybe. I think it's mostly ambitious fathers effectively transing their daughters into Karlachs to game affirmative action/because smaller family sizes left them without sons.

 

[Black]

Oh shilling it is

It is, since you see valid criticism and go

You argue about nothing.

 

[janior]

 

[Darkwind]

Does anyone else feels like magic users are really underpowered? Once I tap out of my cc/aoe dmg spells they are just kinda useless compared to melee.

Yes & no. Let's start with the yes part:

Concentration is a bitch and a very dumb mechanic. This has nothing to do with BG3 and everything to do with the 5E rules as written (RAW). It was an over correction to make wizards less god-like but ended up making them fairly gimpy since whether you are fresh out of school (you're a real wizard, Harry!) or a 20th level Archmage you can both focus on ONE spell, and one spell only. An absurd concept on it's face. It is likely partially because 5E is crafted for low IQ zoomer retards anyways as it's entire appeal is to simply make D&D less 'crunchy' and far easier.

The no part:
Wizard power curve is what it's always been. Yeah until level 5 you are weak AF. At 5th you get your first power spike and it just continues to grow. I can erase half the battlefield with 2 spells at higher levels. It would take my melee characters quite a bit longer. Wizards have always been 'long term investment' type characters that trade early weakness for late game strength.

 

[Grauken]

BG3 is a charming and coherent fantasy adventure with a good pacing. Lots of high-quality meat and potatos set pieces with good writing. You're just blind to it because you wanted something different and it's not doing that. Your loss.

Nigger you're still in act one why do you keep arguing with people about act 2-3 writing, you literally just blindly shilling, come back after you finish the game, and tell us how great and charming the writing was.

I do what the fuck I want, piss off retard

 

[Rhobar121]

About ULTRA EPICNESS LEVEL ONE meme - BG3 writing is indeed shit, but it seems to me most rpgs from the last 20 years or so suffer from some level of this.

Specially on the "main character is an epic pure and unique snowflake", which isn't necessarily bad. Both KOTOR games and Torment suffer from this, for instance.

Then there are the ones like the recent pathfinder games, where you begin as a level one chump but end the game literally as an immortal and invincible godlike figure.

ITT, these are just rpg tropes that are cemented on the genre. Larian's writing is bad out of its own merit, not because it embraces said tropes.

Wotr is an interesting case because it starts pretty much the same as bg3 (similar epic scale). We have demon lord attacking the city and fighting it with a silver dragon. The only real difference is the quality of the presentation.

 

[Orud]

Does anyone else feels like magic users are really underpowered? Once I tap out of my cc/aoe dmg spells they are just kinda useless compared to melee.

Concentration is a bitch and a very dumb mechanic. This has nothing to do with BG3 and everything to do with the 5E rules as written (RAW). It was an over correction to make wizards less god-like but ended up making them fairly gimpy since whether you are fresh out of school (you're a real wizard, Harry!) or a 20th level Archmage you can both focus on ONE spell, and one spell only. An absurd concept on it's face. It is likely partially because 5E is crafted for low IQ zoomer retards anyways as it's entire appeal is to simply make D&D less 'crunchy' and far easier.

It's also in place to crawl back earlier edition's buff-a-thons. Even though most buffs are relegated to advantage/disadvantage, keep in mind that they can still stack. Having advantage or disadvantage comes down to of which you have the most, so you could frontload your advantage otherwise.

The problem with concentration is that they've maybe put it on a few too many spells, but overall I think (flawed it may be) it's better this way.

 

[Tyranicon]

Spellcasters will always be slightly weaker in cRPGs compared to tabletop because they can't make the full use of their spells, ie being creative.

But they are certainly not weak and a good argument can be made that they're still stronger than martials (except any kind of paladin multiclass). However, they are kind of relegated to being counterspell/fireball bots most of the time.

 

[Barbarian]

The way concentration is implemented I think it goes against the lore archetypes.

When you think of a wizard or sorcerer type you usually think of a physically frail and studious type. Suddenly every spellcaster now is a high constitution and high hitpoint tough motherfucker who can handle several sword blows to the face.

It should probably be tied to the spellcasting ability score(i.e: intelligence or wisdom) and not constitution.

 

[Barbarian]

Spellcasters will always be slightly weaker in cRPGs compared to tabletop because they can't make the full use of their spells, ie being creative.

But they are certainly not weak and a good argument can be made that they're still stronger than martials (except any kind of paladin multiclass). However, they are kind of relegated to being counterspell/fireball bots most of the time.

Not in this game where fighters can get a double digit amount of attacks per round. That usually is more effective than casting two fireballs even.

 

[whydoibother]

Fighters are overpowered mostly because offense and defense aren't properly balanced. I think either damage burst capability should be reduced, or enemy defenses should be increased. Its unreasonable to have bosses die before they can use their encounter mechanics.
Monk builds are overpowered because they have very good class specific items, and the Tavern Brawler feat is insane.
Haste is an overpowered spell, which boosts Sorcerers, but is mostly used by Fighters to attack EVERY MORE TIMES. It shouldn't allow you to get your extra attacks again off your additional basic attack.

 

[Shaki]

BG3 is a charming and coherent fantasy adventure with a good pacing. Lots of high-quality meat and potatos set pieces with good writing. You're just blind to it because you wanted something different and it's not doing that. Your loss.

Nigger you're still in act one why do you keep arguing with people about act 2-3 writing, you literally just blindly shilling, come back after you finish the game, and tell us how great and charming the writing was.

I do what the fuck I want, piss off retard

Can you do what you want after you actually play the game? Because right now you're adding the same amount of value to this thread as SDG did, but he was at least funny.

Even Swen knows too much is too much, and doesnt post 1/10 as often as you do in this thread. There is a limit where shitposting stops being entertaining, and you reached yours already like 1000 post ago.

 

[fizzelopeguss]

About ULTRA EPICNESS LEVEL ONE meme - BG3 writing is indeed shit, but it seems to me most rpgs from the last 20 years or so suffer from some level of this.

Specially on the "main character is an epic pure and unique snowflake", which isn't necessarily bad. Both KOTOR games and Torment suffer from this, for instance.

Then there are the ones like the recent pathfinder games, where you begin as a level one chump but end the game literally as an immortal and invincible godlike figure.

ITT, these are just rpg tropes that are cemented on the genre. Larian's writing is bad out of its own merit, not because it embraces said tropes.

I don't think anybody here thinks "main character is special" is always bad.
Torment gives you an immortal guy with an amnesia and past personalities:
- It spends the entire game exploring this idea. And it's some good stuff.
- You deal with shit left by past incarnations. People you met, stuff you left behind, even traps you left for yourself.
- You learn more and more about yourself, the amnesia aspect is an integral part of the story, not some cheap hook.

What exactly BG3 does with "you have a tadpole in your brain" hook?
- Does it explore some kind of "race against the clock"? Nope. They removed it in rewrites.
- Absorbing illithid tadpoles gives you powers (for some reason). Does it have any consequences in the story? Nope, they removed it in the rewrites.
- Does it explore some kind of "would you deal with the devil to solve this problem" scenario. Nope. They removed it in rewrites.
- Do they explore the alien horror of illithids in the same way Torment explores immortality and past incarnations? Nope, BG3 does everything to undermine it. It has fookin' illithid shirtless seduction in it, FFS. The player has an option to become a good illithid and everything about it is half-arsed. Your love interest will note even voice an opinion when you consider becoming a squid.
On the top of that, you can have a second half-arsed "your special" story, if one is not enough.

Sounds like the problem here was early access?

 

[Orud]

Haste is an overpowered spell, which boosts Sorcerers, but is mostly used by Fighters to attack EVERY MORE TIMES. It shouldn't allow you to get your extra attacks again off your additional basic attack.

Haste is an overpowered, mandatory, piece of shit spell in every version of D&D. I'd love to see it burn or nerfed to oblivion, but fat chance on that.

 

[whydoibother]

Haste is an overpowered spell, which boosts Sorcerers, but is mostly used by Fighters to attack EVERY MORE TIMES. It shouldn't allow you to get your extra attacks again off your additional basic attack.

Haste is an overpowered, mandatory, piece of shit spell in every version of D&D. I'd love to see it burn or nerfed to oblivion, but fat chance on that.

Haste really should be like Blessing of Freedom or however its called. That spell which makes it so you can't be immobilized or slowed, and I think gives some move points.

 

[janior]

Spellcasters will always be slightly weaker in cRPGs compared to tabletop because they can't make the full use of their spells, ie being creative.

But they are certainly not weak and a good argument can be made that they're still stronger than martials (except any kind of paladin multiclass). However, they are kind of relegated to being counterspell/fireball bots most of the time.

I think it comes down to how little equipment you find for spellcasters