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dukeofwoodberry

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Speaking of the lazael/shadowheart situation. I was romancing both then shadowheart came to me with an ultimatum and I picked shadowheart (actually prefer lazael's personality but I'm not going to be tied down to a frog).

There was no conversation with froggy about it or confrontation. That was kind of immersion breaking
 

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I had the same experience when Shadowheart asked me to break it off with Karlach, but it didn't bother me; I prefer this system to having to press space bar five times to avoid listening to Karlach whine about how I just used her for sex.
 
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Speaking of the lazael/shadowheart situation. I was romancing both then shadowheart came to me with an ultimatum and I picked shadowheart (actually prefer lazael's personality but I'm not going to be tied down to a frog).

There was no conversation with froggy about it or confrontation. That was kind of immersion breaking
It has always been like this in Bioware games too, when you cut off a character the romance just ends and there's no mention of it after the fact
 

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As a swords bard, I felt like a had a boatload of spell slots and very few useful spells

If anything, I feel like the Bard's Spell List is a little too good when you take into account all the other stuff he gets. Lots of good CC, healing (which other Arcane spellcasters don't get), even two great AoE nukes that stay relevant throughout the game due to upscaling. Glyph of Warding is a better nuke than the vast majority of what Wizards or Sorcerers get because it allows you to change the damage type to what works best at any given moment (you can use another character to cast Create Water on enemies to apply the Wet status on them, then hit them with the Cold or Lightning Glyph for double damage).

Swords Bard gets Magical Secrets at level 10, allowing him to pick up 2 additional Spells not on his regular list (I went with Haste and Counterspell).

It's possible that I missed something with Glyph of Warding, I never took that one since I figured the AI would just jump over. I got a lot of use out of Cloud of Daggers, Hypnotic pattern and Dominate Person. If I'd thought things through, I would have taken Silence to free up Shadowheart's concentration slot. Improved Invisibility was very useful outside of combat, but I might have been better off with potions. I took Cure Wounds, but I've generally been underwhelmed with in-combat healing. When I got Magical Secrets I took Spiritual Weapon and Fireball and I had a good time with both.
 

dukeofwoodberry

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Speaking of the lazael/shadowheart situation. I was romancing both then shadowheart came to me with an ultimatum and I picked shadowheart (actually prefer lazael's personality but I'm not going to be tied down to a frog).

There was no conversation with froggy about it or confrontation. That was kind of immersion breaking
It has always been like this in Bioware games too, when you cut off a character the romance just ends and there's no mention of it after the fact
No there's often a final confrontation/conversation with the person you're ending it with in Bioware games
 

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Strap Yourselves In Codex Year of the Donut
Going the "evil" route is a pretty shit deal in general. You lose access to Quests, Merchants, good items, allies during the final battle etc. and gain almost nothing in return for it.
So basically fear of missing out? None of these has anything to do with Minthara or the Evil route.
 

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Insert Title Here Pathfinder: Wrath
If you’re not using Bane for Bard’s Concentration slot you’re playing some kind of stipulation self-nerf. It’s CHR save and huge debuff. With Cutting Words back-up from Lore Bard it’s probably too good.

Lore Bard gets Secrets at lvl 6. Hard to pass up simply taking Armor of Agathis and Command. Plant Growth is flammable.

Create Water is 9 ft range and uses a slot. Just throw a container. Or let your Mage Hand do it.
 
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Desiderius

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Insert Title Here Pathfinder: Wrath
Don't sleep on single-target low-level spells that get additional targets on upcast.
 

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dukeofwoodberry

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If you’re not using Bane for Bard’s Concentration slot you’re playing some kind of stipulation self-nerf. It’s CHR save and huge debuff. With Cutting Words back-up from Lore Bard it’s probably too good.

Lore Bard gets Secrets at lvl 6. Hard to pass up simply taking Armor of Agathis and Command. Plant Growth is flammable.

Create Water is 9 ft range and uses a slot. Just throw a container. Or let your Mage Hand do it.
Hunger of hadar is like the best spell in the game. Why would I not pick that at level 6 with magical secrets?
 

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