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Baldur's Gate Baldur's Gate 3 RELEASE THREAD

Zed Duke of Banville

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Many people commenting on Baldur's Gate 3 and the Forgotten Realms generally seem to be under the misapprehension that the Forgotten Realms setting was ever a serious attempt at creating a fantasy version of pseudo-medieval Europe, as opposed to a RenFair LARPfest version of contemporary America/Canada, in which there is a vast "Heartland" area that is an American/Canadian monoculture with American/Canadian norms. TSR heavily sanitized Ed Greenwood's original setting and also made an attempt at altering and expanding it to be somewhat more realistic and historically-grounded, but it was inevitable that WotC would revert the setting to its origins in both respects. The demographics of Ed Greenwood's Forgotten Realms setting at its inception in the 1970s would naturally have been much different from the demographics of BG3, but it's consistent for the setting to reflect changing demographics in America/Canada. Similarly, the sexual fetishes on display in BG3 are not identical to Ed Greenwood's personal list of sexual fetishes established in the 1970s, but to complain about it being different is missing the point.

Grognards should have been astute enough to recognize even TSR's version of the Forgotten Realms as the worst D&D/AD&D campaign setting and rejected it at the time. With the advantage of hindsight, anyone should recognize that a CRPG would be better off with Greyhawk if it needed a generic setting, or with Dragonlance if it needed a Tolkienesque setting, or with the Known World / Mystara setting of non-advanced D&D if it needed a pulp fantasy setting, or with Kara-Tur if it needed a setting based on eastern Asia, or with al-Qadim if it needed a setting based on the Middle East, or with Spelljammer if it needed a gonzo space setting, or with Ravenloft if it needed a gothic horror setting, or with Dark Sun if it needed a post-apocalyptic setting, or with Planescape if it needed a bizarre planar setting, or even with Birthright if it needed a setting where player-characters could be rulers at low-level.

The Forgotten Realms was a mistake and has always been decline.
 

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Highest rated game on metacritic baby!

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There's only one review you really care about though.

The Codex one.
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WHERE THE FCK IS IT?!!!! Infinitron
 

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Baldur's Gate 3 taught me that you should give asylum seeking refugees full reign of your house, because not doing so isn't a very nice thing to do and would cause your Paladin to fall, even. Thanks kind Belgian man.
 

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. The demographics of Ed Greenwood's Forgotten Realms setting at its inception in the 1970s would naturally have been much different from the demographics of BG3, but it's consistent for the setting to reflect changing demographics in America/Canada.

Blacks haven't increased, though. The changing demographic should therefore be hispanics.

Every wizard in AD&D settings should be a Mexican able to summon taco grease golems and bean elementals from the guacamole plane.
 

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25 years ago if there was "poc" in traditional European setting, there was an explanation why he was there.
Was it that was land of "poc", or he was islamic friend of Robin Hood that traveled with him after Crusades, there was a reason why that character was there.
Because there was not "poc" in those lands, no matter what University of Jada Pinkett Smith says about it.

Nowadays, it seems like there was islamic, "poc" people that were native to Europe at every step, in fantasy, or in rewriting the mythos and history.
As you asked so much questions about hate, why do you think it is neccesary to brainwash British and others that there was native "poc" population in Europe before King Arthur?
And why are people reacting to it so negatively?
It is because it is what you would call "cultural appropriation", and somehow nobody likes that.
No you fucking moron. There wasn't a single dialogue line explaining why half of water mages are black or why Diego is hispanic etc. Nobody gave a fuck about this. You suddenly care about it, I don't even no why.

Who gives a fuck about accuracy in some mythos or other shit? People who want to know real history will read a book or something. And don't tell me that you will not find any truthful sources just because netflix released tv series set in medieval period with POC characters. If you base your knowledge about history on this shit you are fuckin disgrace. You all act like all these PRODUCTS that are being made with profit in mind are somewhat important for our civilisation and have some huge impact on people's live. Get the fuck outside and start realizing that nobody, and let me repeat it, nobody gives a shit about it
This guy is either Swens alt or Infinitrons
 
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I'm not angry, just kind of bored with it, tired of it. Tired of seeing niggers plastered everywhere in all modern product, tired of the quasi-religious ideological observance of "diversity" and "inclusion."

They are not my people, and in a setting that's supposed to be comfy and have mainly my people in it, I don't want to see lots of Blacks hulking around.

I get enough of that in real life.
Your people? I am white, you are not my people. I thought we left tribalism behind, I guess it still lives with some of you shitstains.

There is a game called gothic. It has more poc characters than any other modern game yet nobody gives a fuck about if, even Poles who are known for their racist remarks. Why this game was spared? Mostly because 25 years ago people didn't give a shit about politics in their media. You fucking cunts to put so much emphasis on something so insignificant which has absolutely no influence of game quality that it's just pathetic. Why so much hate? Have you ever go outside? Talk with anybody other than your discord greasy friends? What's your excuse for being such a cunt?
Amen to that this nutjobs gets offended by nothing this days.
 

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The Mary Sue also said that Auntie Ethel's portrayal was antisemitic despite FR hags being obviously linked to hags in the mythology of countries that had little to nothing to do with jews at the times these myths were coming into being, at this point I'm pretty sure they write articles using a random title generator optimised to create butthurt and just run with it regardless of how much sense it makes.
 

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Oh my sweet, summer child, you will never get rid of "tribalism" short of genetic engineering.

If race was truly insignificant, there would be no incentive to race swap, would there? The race swapping, the replacement, is being done by people who hate Europeans and people of European descent, and want them to DEI.

25 years ago was a more innocent time when people actually believed in moral universalism. Now everything is centred around hatred for White people - and it's truly hate.
Give me an example, please. All you racists cunts believe in somekind of white ppl repression yet your only evidence is internet culture which as I said earlier has no significance in a real world. What offends you? You do know you can always unplug your internet cable and go outside to your homogeneous neighborhood and sigh with relief?

Just kidding, you can't, your ass is so fuckin huge you probably can't leave your house anymore
 

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I'm not angry, just kind of bored with it, tired of it. Tired of seeing niggers plastered everywhere in all modern product, tired of the quasi-religious ideological observance of "diversity" and "inclusion."

They are not my people, and in a setting that's supposed to be comfy and have mainly my people in it, I don't want to see lots of Blacks hulking around.

I get enough of that in real life.
Your people? I am white, you are not my people. I thought we left tribalism behind, I guess it still lives with some of you shitstains.

There is a game called gothic. It has more poc characters than any other modern game yet nobody gives a fuck about if, even Poles who are known for their racist remarks. Why this game was spared? Mostly because 25 years ago people didn't give a shit about politics in their media. You fucking cunts to put so much emphasis on something so insignificant which has absolutely no influence of game quality that it's just pathetic. Why so much hate? Have you ever go outside? Talk with anybody other than your discord greasy friends? What's your excuse for being such a cunt?

Oh my sweet, summer child, you will never get rid of "tribalism" short of genetic engineering.

If race was truly insignificant, there would be no incentive to race swap, would there? The race swapping, the replacement, is being done by people who hate Europeans and people of European descent, and want them to DEI.

25 years ago was a more innocent time when people actually believed in moral universalism. Now everything is centred around hatred for White people - and it's truly hate.
Thanks for chiming in to help everyone see that all of this fake "discussion" stems from nothing but the most vile and repugnant racist beliefs staining our cultures today. Truly, there are no more vile, more base, more ignorant beliefs than these .

Projection. All the hatred and vileness is on the side of the race-swappers and replacers. None of this sort of thing comes from a place of artistic interest or lurv, it's done out of pure, livid, anti-White hate (and in the case of the White liberals involved, inculcated self-hatred):-

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As I said, if race truly didn't matter, none of this sort of thing would even occur to anyone. It's purely done to spit in the collective face of White people, to notionally erase and replace our history. It's vile beyond measure. The race replacement in BG3 is just another small example of the wider trend.
 

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Oh my sweet, summer child, you will never get rid of "tribalism" short of genetic engineering.

If race was truly insignificant, there would be no incentive to race swap, would there? The race swapping, the replacement, is being done by people who hate Europeans and people of European descent, and want them to DEI.

25 years ago was a more innocent time when people actually believed in moral universalism. Now everything is centred around hatred for White people - and it's truly hate.
Give me an example, please. All you racists cunts believe in somekind of white ppl repression yet your only evidence is internet culture which as I said earlier has no significance in a real world. What offends you? You do know you can always unplug your internet cable and go outside to your homogeneous neighborhood and sigh with relief?

Just kidding, you can't, your ass is so fuckin huge you probably can't leave your house anymore
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This is not some kind of weird demographic weather that just happened. It's deliberate replacement. Obviously.
 

Reyvik

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Projection. All the hatred and vileness is on the side of the race-swappers and replacers. None of this sort of thing comes from a place of artistic interest or lurv, it's done out of pure, livid, anti-White hate (and in the case of the White liberals involved, inculcated self-hatred):-

rewriting european history black.jpeg


As I said, if race truly didn't matter, none of this sort of thing would even occur to anyone. It's purely done to spit in the collective face of White people, to notionally erase and replace our history. It's vile beyond measure. The race replacement in BG3 is just another small example of the wider trend.
I ask for a proof of white ppl repression and you show a bunch of black ppl playing in movie XDDDDDDDDDD YOU ARE SUCH A FUCKING LOSER XDDDDD

Okay, I had my share of laughs. Not gonna engage with you anymore. Wallow in your delusions
 

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Oh my sweet, summer child, you will never get rid of "tribalism" short of genetic engineering.

If race was truly insignificant, there would be no incentive to race swap, would there? The race swapping, the replacement, is being done by people who hate Europeans and people of European descent, and want them to DEI.

25 years ago was a more innocent time when people actually believed in moral universalism. Now everything is centred around hatred for White people - and it's truly hate.
Give me an example, please. All you racists cunts believe in somekind of white ppl repression yet your only evidence is internet culture which as I said earlier has no significance in a real world. What offends you? You do know you can always unplug your internet cable and go outside to your homogeneous neighborhood and sigh with relief?

Just kidding, you can't, your ass is so fuckin huge you probably can't leave your house anymore
Look what's happening in South Africa though:

 
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The original point was not "muh diversity [good]/[bad]!"

The original point was this: Imagine playing the series from BG1 to BG3. It is immersion-breaking to go from comfy 1998 BG1, which has literally zero black characters who aren't wandering adventurers, to Current_Year+8 BG3. It takes you out of the story. It makes you ask yourself: "Am I missing something?" "What the fuck happened to this city?" "Was there a major war or population movement? Sheeit, I thought I averted the war when I killed Sarevok in BG1!"

So. The DEI/ESG agenda is annoying, and mods that remove shoehorned-in "diversity" literally improve immersion. Simple as.
 

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Look what's happening in South Africa though:
From what I see according to polls, they are minor power in south africa. You do realize that every country has this kind of extremist political parties? These are the people that being voted on by codexers
 

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I ask for a proof of white ppl repression and you show a bunch of black ppl playing in movie XDDDDDDDDDD YOU ARE SUCH A FUCKING LOSER XDDDDD

Okay, I had my share of laughs. Not gonna engage with you anymore. Wallow in your delusions

Replacing a people's history and cultural historical figures is by definition a form of cultural genocide.

Population replacement (as exemplified in the graph I posted above) is a form of "soft" genocide.

All the cries of "racist," "supremacist," "hater," etc. are projection, always have been. Society today is driven by anti-White bigotry.
 

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Why does BG3 have more POC than earlier games? Simple, because the audience and the developers have both broadened, and people like to see themselves in games. Just like you! Hell, you're freaking out over not being the overwhelming majority, imagine how immersion breaking it is for others to not see anyone like them.

People want it, the developers want it, end of story. You don't have to explain racial diversity in a FICTIONAL FANTASY SETTING, you retards.
If someone made a game in a fantasy version of Africa, it would be indeed immersion breaking if it featured white people everywhere instead of niggers. Also I'm sure woke crowd would be mad af if it included ANY whites, unless they're evil invaders.

If you want a fantasy setting with racial diversity, cool, but craft your own original shit instead of taking Tolkienesque fantasy which is inspired purely by white people's myths and history, and fucking it up with woke shit.

There is plenty of games, movies, etc. coming from Asia for example, based on their own settings, inspired by Asian culture, featuring 100% asian people, and somehow no one is crying "waaaaaaah, why it has no white people in it, it's woke!!" - because obviously it isnt woke. The problem with western wokes is that rather than sharing something interesting and original based on culture of minorities they're trying to represent, they always default to "OK SO LET'S TAKE TOLKIENESQUE FANTASY, BUT HERE IS A TWIST, WE RANDOMLY INSERT NIGGERS EVERYWHERE!", and people are right to call it out.
 

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If someone made a game in a fantasy version of Africa, it would be indeed immersion breaking if it featured white people everywhere instead of niggers.
Not if zombies, however. Check the Resident Evil 5 "outrage".
 

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