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HoMM2/3/4 have necromancer campaigns. I think they come the closest to playing a necromancer on a larger scale and in the campaign you are also developing your hero so it has strong rpg parts.
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Best necromancy/skeletons in RPGs
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Darth Canoli
Arcane
Also, if you happen to recruit ghosts in HoMM 2, it's game breaking as every of their victims adds a new ghost to your army ...
You find small stacks of weak creatures like peasants or goblins.
Profit ...
In HoMM 5, the necromancy system is even better, your necromancy skills + buildings bonuses give you a weekly necromantic pool of energy and you can create any creatures with it after a battle, not any, only units of the same ranks as the ones you killed and limited by the amount of HP each of these stacks of creatures had, it's really great, not overpowered just masterfully executed.
Jason Liang
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The Warlords CCG also had some great Necromancer warlords, especially old school Tepheroth but others as well ~
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Everquest's Shadowknight. (the original, not the terrible sequel or any of the spin off's.)
Okay not technically a true Necromancer as they were a 3/1 Warrior Necro Hybrid. But no rpg mmo or otherwise has ever come close to how bad ass it was for an evil based black magic style of character. Although not focused on summons obviously.
You could cast a spell to appear as a corpse. (feign death)
You could levitate, (Dead man Floating, bobbing corpse.)
Shadowstep random teleport in a 100 meter radius on a short cast time that dominated Pvp.
Fastest horse in the game that was a high level ability.
Massive disease based spell once a day, a nuke that rivaled wizard damage with upgrades but a long cool down. (1 hour) That could also be modified to drain life. (harm touch.)
Obligatory Skeletal Summon. (more of a Damage over time spell than anything since you were a tank.)
Invisibility spells to living and dead.
Arguably best party-based and most self-sufficient tank and class with the highest ability to piss off monsters in the whole game, to the point a raid role we created ourselves in terms of agro stealing/ dropping and mob positioning.
Raid saving shit hits the fan class, basically including Corpse summon ability on raid wipe. (often used in tandem with Feign death)
A plethora of nasty disease, anti living, anti undead spells and one of the characters with the highest survivability/ utility in the game including a harm shield spell that could protect against everything even falls for 20 seconds.
Kill onsite to almost the entire game world. (so very few people leveled them to their potential.)
And by far the best looking epic weapon in the game. "Innoruuks curse."
I won a custom title for winning a 100 man free for all tournament with mine.
Okay not technically a true Necromancer as they were a 3/1 Warrior Necro Hybrid. But no rpg mmo or otherwise has ever come close to how bad ass it was for an evil based black magic style of character. Although not focused on summons obviously.
You could cast a spell to appear as a corpse. (feign death)
You could levitate, (Dead man Floating, bobbing corpse.)
Shadowstep random teleport in a 100 meter radius on a short cast time that dominated Pvp.
Fastest horse in the game that was a high level ability.
Massive disease based spell once a day, a nuke that rivaled wizard damage with upgrades but a long cool down. (1 hour) That could also be modified to drain life. (harm touch.)
Obligatory Skeletal Summon. (more of a Damage over time spell than anything since you were a tank.)
Invisibility spells to living and dead.
Arguably best party-based and most self-sufficient tank and class with the highest ability to piss off monsters in the whole game, to the point a raid role we created ourselves in terms of agro stealing/ dropping and mob positioning.
Raid saving shit hits the fan class, basically including Corpse summon ability on raid wipe. (often used in tandem with Feign death)
A plethora of nasty disease, anti living, anti undead spells and one of the characters with the highest survivability/ utility in the game including a harm shield spell that could protect against everything even falls for 20 seconds.
Kill onsite to almost the entire game world. (so very few people leveled them to their potential.)
And by far the best looking epic weapon in the game. "Innoruuks curse."
I won a custom title for winning a 100 man free for all tournament with mine.
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Alex
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While "black magic" in general is probably something interesting to give a necromancer, I tend to associate the word especially with the creation of undead monsters (that and someone who can talk with the dead rather than bringing them back, but that is usually something different even if it is also a common power of a necromancer). As such, I find that almost all computer games (and frequently even the material in pencil and paper games) end up falling short of what I would like the necromancer to be.
One important aspect a lot of games get wrong is the creation of undead. All too often, the result of creating an undead has nothing to do with the base creature, like in Diablo 2 where you could burst a skeleton out of an insectoid enemy or Path of Exile where you can make a zombie out of an skeleton. But it is equally frustrating that the skeleton of an ogre might be the same as the skeleton of a dwarf, mechanically speaking. To be fair, this is something especially hard to do in a computer game, as you might need specific art assets for each creature type you might want to raise. Still, it not only removes a lot of what makes necromancers interesting, it also makes the class feel phoney. Particularly annoying is when the game doesn't allow you to create, but rather only summon undead. There is nothing wrong with summoning undead, especially if creating them is supposed to be a difficult and lengthy process, but if all you ever do in a game is summon undead other people created or that somehow came to be in some other way, it again removes a lot of what makes necromancers special.
Another one is that the undead are supposed to be something otherworldly and evil. All too often, undeads are just a different kind of monster and skeletons are just golems made out of bones. I think one of the best examples of how to make the undead feel wrong and evil comes from AD&D, where many of these creatures had the ability of level draining, possibly taking away weeks or months (or even years depending on how you play and how unlucky you got) of hard work on a PC, and very possibly in a permanent way. It is rather disheartening to see an undead creature behave exactly like a normal one (in particular if poison works on skeletons just like it does with the living as can happen in some computer games).
Anyway, I don't remember any computer games that did the undead particularly well, but the necromancer section in Ultima 8, where you need to traverse the catacombs and learn from the previous necromancers, was pretty nice (well, not all the jumping around and combat parts, but the stuff specific to that area).
One important aspect a lot of games get wrong is the creation of undead. All too often, the result of creating an undead has nothing to do with the base creature, like in Diablo 2 where you could burst a skeleton out of an insectoid enemy or Path of Exile where you can make a zombie out of an skeleton. But it is equally frustrating that the skeleton of an ogre might be the same as the skeleton of a dwarf, mechanically speaking. To be fair, this is something especially hard to do in a computer game, as you might need specific art assets for each creature type you might want to raise. Still, it not only removes a lot of what makes necromancers interesting, it also makes the class feel phoney. Particularly annoying is when the game doesn't allow you to create, but rather only summon undead. There is nothing wrong with summoning undead, especially if creating them is supposed to be a difficult and lengthy process, but if all you ever do in a game is summon undead other people created or that somehow came to be in some other way, it again removes a lot of what makes necromancers special.
Another one is that the undead are supposed to be something otherworldly and evil. All too often, undeads are just a different kind of monster and skeletons are just golems made out of bones. I think one of the best examples of how to make the undead feel wrong and evil comes from AD&D, where many of these creatures had the ability of level draining, possibly taking away weeks or months (or even years depending on how you play and how unlucky you got) of hard work on a PC, and very possibly in a permanent way. It is rather disheartening to see an undead creature behave exactly like a normal one (in particular if poison works on skeletons just like it does with the living as can happen in some computer games).
Anyway, I don't remember any computer games that did the undead particularly well, but the necromancer section in Ultima 8, where you need to traverse the catacombs and learn from the previous necromancers, was pretty nice (well, not all the jumping around and combat parts, but the stuff specific to that area).
Cryomancer
Arcane
I agree. A detailed creation of undead with tons and tons of recipes, would be amazing. But is hard to acomplish that unless the game is specific and only about necromancy. As for D2 skeleton be able to be casted on insect swarm but not on a bone wall, i agree. But again, if you wanna the proprieties of the corpse, there are the REVIVE skill. With iron golem(absorbs a item propriety) + revive, you can have SOME degree of customization. Nothing like a pnp game with rules designed to it, but you can have more than most games.
They are different. Golems and Skeletons are completely different.
On D&D/Pathfinder, undeads are EVIL, constructs are neutral, the energy that animates both are different. And the process of crafting both are different.
And on Diablo, one of the many things that makes no sense on D3 is the bone golem "While it is fairly simple for a Necromancer to animate dead tissue, it is another matter entirely to instill the spark of life into inanimate objects. The Clay Golem is the simplest form of this complex art, creating a servant directly from the earth to serve the Necromancer. The intense drain this places on the psyche of the caster only allows him to maintain a single Golem of any type at a time.[1]" https://diablo.gamepedia.com/Clay_Golem_(Diablo_II)
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But IMO create undead is just one part of necromancy. Might & Magic VII and Diablo 2 for the CRPG genre, has the best implementations IMO.
Dawkinsfan69
Dumbfuck!
If you play morrowind with the code patch mod, you can create spells with an unlimited number of "conjure skeleton (etc..)" instances. So you could make a spell that summons like 10 skeletons, 10 ghosts, 10 bonewalkers etc... Or enchant items to do that. It's pretty awesome. That's unfortunately the only game that I know of that really allows for a nice necromancer. Diablo has the right idea with its necro but that genre sucks. You can build nice necro decks in some CCGs which is pretty fun if you can get into the RP side of it.
I hate when games limit necromancers to having few minions at a time. ESO is an example of necromancy done fucking horribly. I was so excited when they announced that class then when they leaked the abilities I was like "wtf???", they have like 2 summons total and each only last for 10 seconds or so, total garbage.
I hate when games limit necromancers to having few minions at a time. ESO is an example of necromancy done fucking horribly. I was so excited when they announced that class then when they leaked the abilities I was like "wtf???", they have like 2 summons total and each only last for 10 seconds or so, total garbage.
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In Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup, there's a whole school of magic dedicated to necromancy, two gods to worship, and raising dead creatures gives you the correct types. Also, you can have lots of undead minions to follow you, just like in Diablo 2. And there's lich form to transform yourself into as well!
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Cryomancer
Arcane
Depends. How much power can i get by necromancy? Can i use undead as workers who doesn't need to get paid, doesn't have fatigue, and always produce for me? If magic was real, i would spend more tme learning how to craft constructs instead of undeads but the undead way is always easier. But one thing that would suck is to be a lich... By obvious reason. The less awful undead to be is vampire.
On Age of Conan, i got a STD as a Lich...
overly excitable young man
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Dunno. The aspect of getting a bigger and stronger army would be very interesting as classic RPG but it would be difficult to set up.
Necromancer with just 7 Skeletons would be pretty boring.
Should be very easy to do as Mount and Blade Mod though.
Not RPG but makes me think of Pikmin or Overlord.
Necromancer with just 7 Skeletons would be pretty boring.
Should be very easy to do as Mount and Blade Mod though.
Not RPG but makes me think of Pikmin or Overlord.
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The necromancer equivalent of Overlord would be great, but it'd only work as a heavily railroaded action RPG at best.
Cryomancer
Arcane
I din't liked Overlord(game) the villain is too Disney like, but there are another Overlord Necromancer. A novel/anime one.
To put in D&D therms, imagine CR 30 Lich in a low level setting where the highest human magician can only cast spells up to tier 6(he is around lv 12), there are stronger creatures like Platinum dragon lord but in general, humans are very weak.
The novel/anime is amix of power fantasy with dark fantasy.
A video of a relative weak creature created by Ainz vs lizardman
Most games limits to 1...
D2 you can have 7 skeletons + some mages + some revived + a golem...
To put in D&D therms, imagine CR 30 Lich in a low level setting where the highest human magician can only cast spells up to tier 6(he is around lv 12), there are stronger creatures like Platinum dragon lord but in general, humans are very weak.
The novel/anime is amix of power fantasy with dark fantasy.
A video of a relative weak creature created by Ainz vs lizardman
Most games limits to 1...
D2 you can have 7 skeletons + some mages + some revived + a golem...
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Cryomancer
Arcane
One more thing. Looks like Gothic 1 has good necromancy. I only played Gothic 2 and 3(could't run 1 on my PC), on Gothic 3, without mods, you can have only one summon(except army of darkness), gothic 2 in other hands forces you to join the Innos monastery and the game won't allow you to be a Xardas apprentice or join in water mages by no reason. IMO a necromancer serving Innos makes no sense.
Source of the IMG https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kSc-WRl-0pM&list=PLTZ1PyifRQr29VU_XX70myL9YtFFAph-y
Source of the IMG https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kSc-WRl-0pM&list=PLTZ1PyifRQr29VU_XX70myL9YtFFAph-y
Any game where "necromancy" allows you to summon undead from nothing doesn't actually have necromancy, it has summoning with an undead flavor.
Necromancy = raising the dead, not summoning undead creatures out of thin air. There has to be a dead guy (or girl (or monster)) somewhere nearby for it to work. You animate the mortal remains of a deceased living being.
If you summon skellingtons out of thin air, who exactly is getting raised??
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Necromancy = raising the dead, not summoning undead creatures out of thin air. There has to be a dead guy (or girl (or monster)) somewhere nearby for it to work. You animate the mortal remains of a deceased living being.
If you summon skellingtons out of thin air, who exactly is getting raised??
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In ADOM you need humanoid corpses for necromancy to work.
https://ancardia.fandom.com/wiki/Necromancy
Tyranicon
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D2 necro is flat out broken and I fucking love it. A shame that the skeletons scale poorly.
Dawkinsfan69
Dumbfuck!
are there even any (good) games that have this kind of necromancy?
Cryomancer
Arcane
On Might & Magic VIII, you have a spell called reanimate
So, you can't reanimate a dragon at low level, but can at high level.fandom said:
On Diablo 2, except by golems, you need corpses to have skeleton, skeleton mage and revived monsters.
On Ultima online
Animate dead
uo guide said:Words of Power - Uus Corp
Mana Cost 23
Minimum Skill 40.0
Casting Delay 1.25s
Reagents Daemon Blood, Grave Dust
Duration Summon life depends on Necromancy skill
Area of Effect One target corpse
Description Animates corpses into undead creatures that will wander around and attack any and every creature, except humans. Slowly decays over time and can not be healed.
http://www.uoguide.com/Animate_Dead
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I don't know if anyone is interested but I have a Skyrim VR modlist that I use for an immersive "Lich King" playthrough. Currently my character is going through the Undeath content and learning how to unlock Necromancer powers. I have the full modlist here. It'll work fine for Skyrim Special Edition baring any specifically VR labled mods like the VR UESP and VRIK. I used to use it as an immersive Witcher modlist so feel free to disregard any Witcher mods if you're not into that. Being a necromancer in VR is pretty cool.
AW8
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