Jaesun
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They are both shit.
Delirius said:I luv you Codex so I will share a piece of info about Exile which I didn't yet tell anyone. In SWTOR's Jedi Knight's story it's "revealed" by Lord Scourge that Exile was in fact Revan's apprentice. Not a fellow Jedi/general like MCA led us to believe. Or maybe she was before (fuck if I know) but after being fucked by Atton and killing Kreia she earned the right to have Revan as her Goshujin-sama. It's clearly said she was his student. Finally it's confirmed Exile sucks Revan's dick in all ways possible like that other hoe Jennifer Hale.
Oh and btw Jedi Knight's story was also written by Drew Karpyshyn. TAKE THAT BITCHES!
Drew Karpyshyn vs David Gaider who is better and why
Drew Karpyshyn said:Here is an accurate description of the KOTOR “twist” out of context: you have amnesia, and it turns out you’re the bad guy all along. Taken in that fasion, it sounds really, really dumb. In fact, when we first started pitching KOTOR’s plot to people, they talked about how dumb, predictable and cliche it was. Most people thought the twist was lame. Why? Because they heard it out of context. There was no build up. No nuance. No subtlety. The twist was only a small part of the entire experience, and it worked with many other facets to evoke a powerful reaction. Most people who played the game feel that KOTOR’s story and the twist represent a watershed moment in video game writing and story telling… but if you heard that twist before and decided it was stupid, you would have ruined much of the KOTOR experience for yourself. So, please, before you decide the book sucks, at least have the decency to read it for yourself. Try to keep an open mind and you might be surprised.
Delirius said:I luv you Codex so I will share a piece of info about Exile which I didn't yet tell anyone. In SWTOR's Jedi Knight's story it's "revealed" by Lord Scourge that Exile was in fact Revan's apprentice. Not a fellow Jedi/general like MCA led us to believe. Or maybe she was before (fuck if I know) but after being fucked by Atton and killing Kreia she earned the right to have Revan as her Goshujin-sama. It's clearly said she was his student. Finally it's confirmed Exile sucks Revan's dick in all ways possible like that other hoe Jennifer Hale.
Oh and btw Jedi Knight's story was also written by Drew Karpyshyn. TAKE THAT BITCHES!
Delirius said:I luv you Codex so I will share a piece of info about Exile which I didn't yet tell anyone. In SWTOR's Jedi Knight's story it's "revealed" by Lord Scourge that Exile was in fact Revan's apprentice. Not a fellow Jedi/general like MCA led us to believe. Or maybe she was before (fuck if I know) but after being fucked by Atton and killing Kreia she earned the right to have Revan as her Goshujin-sama. It's clearly said she was his student. Finally it's confirmed Exile sucks Revan's dick in all ways possible like that other hoe Jennifer Hale.
Oh and btw Jedi Knight's story was also written by Drew Karpyshyn. TAKE THAT BITCHES!
Drew Karpyshyn vs David Gaider who is better and why
poster on another forum that is reading the actual book said:After reading the spoilers for the TOR novel By Drew K.
I have to say that the amount of retconning of KOTOR 2 story is stunning.
After getting and reading a uncorrected proof of this story, pretty sure most people will think it sucks.
There are three main characters throughout: Revan, the Exile (now named Meetra Surik,) and a Sith Lord in the Emperor's service named Darth Scourge.
Revan's story is pretty simple. His dreams are bothering so he leaves his newly pregnant wife to go find out what's going on. He starts off his quest by visiting a planet the Mandolorians are on and helping Canderous find the old Mandalore's mask. Kills Canderous' wife in the process. The information he finds there leads him to the Emperor's home world, which has been stripped of life and made completely empty of the Force. Revan upon leaving is shot down by Scourge and his master and then drugged for two years so he can't do anything.
Scourge is also pretty simple. He's brought to the Imperial capital as part of a political machinations between the council right under the Emperor. He goes around doing things for them, though its pretty painful to read as he likes the tactic of bullrushing shooting enemies while hoping his armor protects him instead of blocking with his lightsaber and cutting people apart. Eventually he learns that the person he's under and a number of the people on the Dark Council are talking about betraying the Emperor because he wants to go after the Republic again. But they're all talk and don't do anything. Eventually they capture Revan and keep him captive for two years. Drugged Revan talks and does him mojo on this guy during this time, none that we actually see, and doesn't actually matter much since it doesn't come to much in the end. Except for the last bit, where he says he has a vision of escape.
Then you have the Exile, Meetra Surik. Bastila finds her and sends her after Revan. First thing you should know, is that Karpyshyn takes the game he did not write for and retcons everything interesting out of it. The Exile is a normal Jedi who was cut off from the Force and became a normal Jedi when she got it back. The Sith Lords are barely even mentioned aside from the fact that they hunted down the Jedi. Oh, Nihilus' power doesn't exist, in fact it can't exist. A big deal is made that the Emperor does the same thing and its something nobody has ever experienced before. The planet he stripped of the force to empower himself is very traumatic to Meetra, despite her in the game being the same thing. So, that part of the story of KOTOR 2 is retconned. Along with everything that came with it.
Anyway, she goes and finds this world and eventually ends up on the Imperial Capital. She finds Scourge, gets him to help her rescue Revan since he was told by him that a rescue would be coming and go and face the Emperor. Oh, Meetra is completely overwhelmed by Scourges master Sith through the use of Sith Lighting until Revan comes out and murderizes her to save the damsel. Anyway, they go face the Emperor where the three of them go face to face, until Scourge gets a vision of a different Jedi facing the Emperor. Figuring this must be the red skinned bastard's eventual killer, he stabs Meetra in the back with his lightsaber and the Emperor electrocutes Revan into submission. He locks Revan up in cryo to spend time plumbing his mind for information to help with his takeover of the Republic. Meetra's spirit refuses to join the Force and sticks with Revan to help him resist. Revan puts thoughts of caution into the Emperor's head, which is how he delays the coming invasion. The end.
I wish I was describing satire or fanfiction, but I'm not so lucky.
Jaesun said:poster on another forum that is reading the actual book said:After reading the spoilers for the TOR novel By Drew K.
I have to say that the amount of retconning of KOTOR 2 story is stunning.
After getting and reading a uncorrected proof of this story, pretty sure most people will think it sucks.
There are three main characters throughout: Revan, the Exile (now named Meetra Surik,) and a Sith Lord in the Emperor's service named Darth Scourge.
Revan's story is pretty simple. His dreams are bothering so he leaves his newly pregnant wife to go find out what's going on. He starts off his quest by visiting a planet the Mandolorians are on and helping Canderous find the old Mandalore's mask. Kills Canderous' wife in the process. The information he finds there leads him to the Emperor's home world, which has been stripped of life and made completely empty of the Force. Revan upon leaving is shot down by Scourge and his master and then drugged for two years so he can't do anything.
Scourge is also pretty simple. He's brought to the Imperial capital as part of a political machinations between the council right under the Emperor. He goes around doing things for them, though its pretty painful to read as he likes the tactic of bullrushing shooting enemies while hoping his armor protects him instead of blocking with his lightsaber and cutting people apart. Eventually he learns that the person he's under and a number of the people on the Dark Council are talking about betraying the Emperor because he wants to go after the Republic again. But they're all talk and don't do anything. Eventually they capture Revan and keep him captive for two years. Drugged Revan talks and does him mojo on this guy during this time, none that we actually see, and doesn't actually matter much since it doesn't come to much in the end. Except for the last bit, where he says he has a vision of escape.
Then you have the Exile, Meetra Surik. Bastila finds her and sends her after Revan. First thing you should know, is that Karpyshyn takes the game he did not write for and retcons everything interesting out of it. The Exile is a normal Jedi who was cut off from the Force and became a normal Jedi when she got it back. The Sith Lords are barely even mentioned aside from the fact that they hunted down the Jedi. Oh, Nihilus' power doesn't exist, in fact it can't exist. A big deal is made that the Emperor does the same thing and its something nobody has ever experienced before. The planet he stripped of the force to empower himself is very traumatic to Meetra, despite her in the game being the same thing. So, that part of the story of KOTOR 2 is retconned. Along with everything that came with it.
Anyway, she goes and finds this world and eventually ends up on the Imperial Capital. She finds Scourge, gets him to help her rescue Revan since he was told by him that a rescue would be coming and go and face the Emperor. Oh, Meetra is completely overwhelmed by Scourges master Sith through the use of Sith Lighting until Revan comes out and murderizes her to save the damsel. Anyway, they go face the Emperor where the three of them go face to face, until Scourge gets a vision of a different Jedi facing the Emperor. Figuring this must be the red skinned bastard's eventual killer, he stabs Meetra in the back with his lightsaber and the Emperor electrocutes Revan into submission. He locks Revan up in cryo to spend time plumbing his mind for information to help with his takeover of the Republic. Meetra's spirit refuses to join the Force and sticks with Revan to help him resist. Revan puts thoughts of caution into the Emperor's head, which is how he delays the coming invasion. The end.
I wish I was describing satire or fanfiction, but I'm not so lucky.
Vaarna_Aarne said:Not to mention MCA is way too humble for his own good, and will just applaud this. Well, that's the most likely scenario. The guy never misses a chance to belittle or criticize his own work.
Mangoose said:Lol.
By the way, it's designbot's birthday.
Wyrmlord said:How dare you destroy the lore from a videogame made 7 years ago?!
Wyrmlord said:This thread is the worst Codex overreaction I have seen.
How dare you destroy the lore from a videogame made 7 years ago?!
Twenty bucks says Atris didn't become the new Darth Traya either.Stinger said:No the Kreia/Arren Kae/Handmaiden's mother theory was a fan theory that had been circulating around that Chris Avellone kinda shrugged off with a statement like "can't comment, but nice catch". What that guy is saying is that Kreia's relationship to Revan is being shafted and we'll never know if she really was Arren Kae.
Also, Jesus someone must really hate Kreia. Retcon her beliefs into simply being corrupted by a Sith Artifact, retcon her relationship to Revan. Does she even exist at this stage?
That's apophenia, the Kreia/Kae connection isn't. Having played TSL recently I thought they made it pretty damn obvious they were one and the same. It wasn't even subtle in the slightest.deuxhero said:^ Didn't the Fallout Bibles use the phrase to mean "Not intended, but very nice".
I never cared so much about Fallout 3's defilement, because I never played Fallout 3, because I know Fallout 3 is Bethesda's own game that doesn't have to do anything with Fallout, and because it won't do anything to change the Fallout games.Stinger said:So you're saying you weren't pissed off when Bethesda pissed all over Fallout 1 and 2? Games that are far older than Kotor2?
As far as defilement to the canon of the setting goes this is just as bad if not worse. Maybe you don't care for said setting, but the outrage is hardly an overreaction.