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Nice try, but we all know Hitler Fargo threatened to put entire Fallout 2 team in the camps , until they were rescued by captain Cain and his team of superheroes.
Roguey pisses me off with his gaslighting and dunning-kruger. Programmers ITT telling him it's standard practice. He insists "sloppy work" as if he could code hello world.
The Temple of Trials wasn't a Fargo idea, he just let it happen. Just as he let Interplay waste a ton of money on fmv crap and other stupid ideas that forced him to panic when the solid B-title they were depending on slipped from its schedule.Considering Fargo forced them to add the Temple of Trials, it doesn't seem like he was serious about giving Tim the creative freedom he wanted.Fargo certainly loved Cain. As Tim said in the video, he demanded his presence on Fallout 2 because the others didn't have the "it" factor. He offered to fire the middle manager giving him problems. When Tim turned in his resignation, he spent over an hour trying to talk him out of it and only didn't spend longer because Tim had a dentist appointment and deliberately didn't talk to Brian again for the duration of the month. The bonus-docking was something he felt was absolutely necessary to crack down on sloppiness.
TimCain is reading your posts!
I want people to listen to these stories and gain insight into the game development process, but I don't want people to view all of the actors in these stories as either heroes or villains. Please listen with nuance, as most people in these stories made both good and bad decisions, myself included.
Countpoint: I'm agreeing with the guy who built up his own multi-million dollar business through the 80s and 90s (and then lost it and built up a new business that continues to this day). Tim Cain's pretty well-to-do now, but he's not a Fargo-level success.Roguey reads like a fellow who has never done any kind of work in his life. Extremely naive takes on the reality of mistakes when it comes to complex engineering work.
Maybe what you said would've been impressive if Fargo wasn't heir to the Wells Fargo bank.Countpoint: I'm agreeing with the guy who built up his own multi-million dollar business through the 80s and 90s (and then lost it and built up a new business that continues to this day). Tim Cain's pretty well-to-do now, but he's not a Fargo-level success.Roguey reads like a fellow who has never done any kind of work in his life. Extremely naive takes on the reality of mistakes when it comes to complex engineering work.
You can read up on the history of Interplay https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interplay_EntertainmentMaybe what you said would've been impressive if Fargo wasn't heir to the Wells Fargo bank.Countpoint: I'm agreeing with the guy who built up his own multi-million dollar business through the 80s and 90s (and then lost it and built up a new business that continues to this day). Tim Cain's pretty well-to-do now, but he's not a Fargo-level success.Roguey reads like a fellow who has never done any kind of work in his life. Extremely naive takes on the reality of mistakes when it comes to complex engineering work.
this year was the first time i have ever been paid a performance bonus. it wasn't very big
Mistakes happen, but this mistake took so long to find and fix that it pushed Fallout into a different fiscal quarter (moved from September to October). This was not bonus-worthy behavior, someone had to pay.Roguey, when's the last time you coded something relatively complex that was bug-free on the first attempt?
Someone had to pay for putting a lesser-than symbol before an equals sign. Unforgivable.Mistakes happen, but this mistake took so long to find and fix that it pushed Fallout into a different fiscal quarter (moved from September to October). This was not bonus-worthy behavior, someone had to pay.Roguey, when's the last time you coded something relatively complex that was bug-free on the first attempt?
We're the normal people now.What have become of this world, people on Codex implying that being a normal person is a positive.
Bad people are bad. Normal people are the worst.
ratted
no need to be mean. im doing my bestthis year was the first time i have ever been paid a performance bonus. it wasn't very big
How many potatoes?
On topic, did Cain explain how you get from Fallout to Outer Turds? I feel like simple aging is not enough.
Even if that is true the degree of the punishment was completely out of proportion to the good work that had been done.Mistakes happen, but this mistake took so long to find and fix that it pushed Fallout into a different fiscal quarter (moved from September to October). This was not bonus-worthy behavior, someone had to pay.Roguey, when's the last time you coded something relatively complex that was bug-free on the first attempt?
That said, Fargo doesn't seem like a bad guy, and sometimes you make mistakes, especially when you're young.
35 is stil young... r-right?That said, Fargo doesn't seem like a bad guy, and sometimes you make mistakes, especially when you're young.
His wiki says he was born in 62 while Fallout released in 97.
Being a CEO for a medium sized company at 35 is very young.35 is stil young... r-right?That said, Fargo doesn't seem like a bad guy, and sometimes you make mistakes, especially when you're young.
His wiki says he was born in 62 while Fallout released in 97.
Must suck being the guy on the bonus list getting the least. I mean, Tim could as well just call him out, getting the least amount of the bonus might well be a death sign.But then he goes and makes his "bonus spreadsheet" to decide how to distribute the bonuses