Cain on Games - Tim Cain's new YouTube channel

[Dark Souls II]

I don't think we Fascists would expect there to be no niggers or women at all involved with things

Nope, sorry, must retvrn to this:

Just white guys on the spectrum having fun. What game development should be about.

 

[Roguey]

Nope, sorry, must retvrn to this:

Just white guys on the spectrum having fun. What game development should be about.

otoh those guys were only able to make dumb shooters (they gave up on making Quake something ambitious and stuck to making another dumb shooter)

 

[0sacred]

> Romero
> white

 

[Old Hans]

Nope, sorry, must retvrn to this:

Just white guys on the spectrum having fun. What game development should be about.

otoh those guys were only able to make dumb shooters (they gave up on making Quake something ambitious and stuck to making another dumb shooter)

to be fair to carmack, all he cared about was creating an engine. he couldnt care less about about the game part.

 

[Azdul]

https://www.pcgamer.com/games/fallo...th-what-they-are-and-a-ton-of-people-like-it/

Fallout's original designer is fine with the direction of the modern games: 'They're both what they are, and a ton of people like it'​

"I'm the last person to want to yuck other people's yums."

Bethesda's tenure as the ruler of Fallout's Wasteland has brought with it massive changes: the first-person perspective, FPS combat, base building, its transformation into a survival MMO. Since Fallout 3, the series has gone off in a bunch of different directions, most of them distinct from the original vision of Fallout's creators.

Tim Cain—who initially got the ball rolling and served as the first Fallout's sole designer until he brought in fellow Interplay developers Leonard Boyarsky, Chris Taylor and Jason D. Anderson—wouldn't have taken Fallout down this route. Indeed, back in the late '90s, after he left Interplay, he pushed back on the concept of multiplayer spin-off.

"Fallout wasn't designed to have other players," he said when Interplay picked his brain on the subject. And while Fallout Online would never materialise, instead culminating in a legal battle between Interplay and new owner Bethesda, you can certainly see some of its DNA in Fallout 76.

Despite the significant changes that have occurred since Cain bid farewell to the series, though, he doesn't think its transformation is a bad thing. "We were going in a different direction," he says. "I'm not saying it's bad. People immediately want to go, ‘Well, that's bad, right?’ No, they're both what they are, and a ton of people like it."

Fallout 1 and 2 were critical and commercial successes, hugely influential, and enduringly popular, but the series has only grown more powerful since Bethesda took the reins. We'll likely have to wait until the next decade until we get another Fallout, but in the meantime, Bethesda continues to expand Fallout 76, and we're getting a second season of Amazon's Fallout TV show.

"I mean, how many people played Fallout 3 and 4? Way more than 1 and 2 put together," says Cain. "You could almost argue it's fundamentally a different game. It's a very different game with the same veneer of the old one, and it obviously appeals to a ton of people. I'm the last person to want to yuck other people's yums. So I'm like, if you like this, play it, love it. Post videos of Let's Plays and have fun with it."

He doesn't understand why some players just want to dunk on the modern direction, either. "The opposite of that is what I don't get," he says. "When people post hour-long videos about why they hate a game. And I'm like, ‘Why aren't you just off playing a game you like? Why are you doing this? The masses are playing it, they don't need to know why you don't like it.’ But game playing is so personal and subjective that I don't even think there's a bad game out there. I just think there's bad games for you, and bad games for me, and maybe even bad games for 80% [of people]. But if you go to Steam, I defy you to find a game for which 100% of the reviews are negative."

The critic in me wants to argue, but I suspect I'd be a lot happier if I spent less time complaining about how far Fallout has deviated from the games I loved so much in the '90s.

He really needs to get the over it, instead of constantly pretending he doesn't care and bottling up all his resentment and anger. Serenity now. Insanity later

He left Interplay because he was not happy about Fallout 2 direction and management. Later on Interplay released this unholy abomination:

It's RPGCodex, not Cain, that cannot get over Fallout 3.

Game designers play a lot of titles, because even if the game is not very good overall - it may still have some interesting design idea. So they've experienced some real stinkers.

There are hundreds good RPG titles from last 4 decades, enough to not care about Fallout 3, or uninteresting AAA releases of 2024 for that matter.

 

[NecroLord]

2 niggers and 1 woman on the team that made Fallout 1 & 2... no wonder the games sucked.

"Hi everyone!
It's me Tim and today I want to talk about niggers."

 

[Infinitron]

I talk about how to make NPCs react to events in the game world and how they decide what events to react to.

 

[Necrensha]

Tim inadvertently describes RPG maker.

 

[La vie sexuelle]

Gramps finally get off intresting stories, now he has onlly boring ones.

 

[Infinitron]

I talk about how many gamers don't seem to know what they like, only what they don't like.

 

[gurugeorge]

I talk about how many gamers don't seem to know what they like, only what they don't like.

It's a bit tone-deaf to twit the rise of negative commentary from fans re. games as some sort of change or quirk in gamers/society, rather than just a function of shittier and shittier games being made. The GRRM quote he cites makes the same mistake, and it's the same rhetorical error (psychologizing) as is made by most of the "woke" media commentariat (i.e. the "toxic fandom" bullshit).

But I suppose such a concession would be too close to the TOW bone.

 

[Quillon]

Now make a vid about "Why devs insist on including stuff players don't like/hate, again and again and again...?" Tim.

People love to talk about stuff they like(and the lengths they go to defend it), just look up any generally beloved game on the interwebz, you just don't like when the feedback is negative.

 

[0sacred]

just a quick reminder that 'gamers' include the dregs of society nowadays. And games are being made for them

 

[deama]

Why not both?

To make a great game, you first must use lube.
Now, bend over while I show you how it's done.

 

[Infinitron]

I talk about my fondness for a new tabletop role playing game, Shadowdark. You can learn more about it and get their free quickstart PDF at:

https://www.thearcanelibrary.com/

 

[gurugeorge]

I talk about my fondness for a new tabletop role playing game, Shadowdark. You can learn more about it and get their free quickstart PDF at:

https://www.thearcanelibrary.com/

It's really simple Tim, the OSR trend is people trying to get away from the DEI faggotry in a way that's likely to subtly filter out people who are into DEI faggotry.

 

[Infinitron]

I talk about why devs don't know what gamers want.

 

[0sacred]

Damn I wish there was some metric to predict if people will like your game. - Tim, probably

 

[NecroLord]

just a quick reminder that 'gamers' include the dregs of society nowadays. And games are being made for them

Console plebs...
Infinitron It is the lack of engagement between devs and their players and fanbase. In ye olde days we had forums and very active and nerdy devs willing to listen to players and innovate.
Now there is a divide between devs (who are owned by corporations and have to push DEI or else) and players who are alienated because of those bad company policies.

 

[NecroLord]

 

[Butter]

just a quick reminder that 'gamers' include the dregs of society nowadays. And games are being made for them

Console plebs...
Infinitron It is the lack of engagement between devs and their players and fanbase. In ye olde days we had forums and very active and nerdy devs willing to listen to players and innovate.
Now there is a divide between devs (who are owned by corporations and have to push DEI or else) and players who are alienated because of those bad company policies.

I think it's fine that devs have all quarantined themselves on whatever that pedo instance is. Surely all of their customers are also over there and there will be plenty of open communication.

 

[Melcar]

Obviously we need more telemetry in games.

 

[Roguey]

Stated preferences are often at odds with revealed preferences. It's risky to actually listen to stated preferences.

 

[Tyranicon]

My monocled perversions > everyone else's disgusting fetishes.

It's that simple. Taking any other route is just the long path to failure and despair.

 

[Infinitron]

My favorite pastime:

I talk about code refactoring: what it is, why you want to do it, and ways it is misused.