CD Projekt's Cyberpunk 2077 Update 2.0 + Phantom Liberty Expansion Thread

[AwesomeButton]

In the begining I wasnt really feeling for this game, the combat was clunky and I was mostly farming for street creeds on NCPD hotspots and doing side gigs after the biochip main mission. In the beginning, the side gigs were just a bunch of smalll side gigs, rescue ripper doc from gangers, rescue ganger from his ex gang, kill cyberpsycho, I was really afraid most of those missions would be just Ubisoft bs (NCPD hotspots are just Ubisoft bs), I was finding it okay at best, just cyber GTA until I got the more interesting gigs. I got a gig where I needed to kill the owner of a club, I imagined it would be just a fairly simple mission and blast a few gangster and be done like the ones before until I decided to make a few tests.

It was a two floor club where the target was on the second floor. In the beginning, I was thinking about just go guns blazing until I saw a side gate, got in there and got on a stairs up on a nearby building. There was a door in there where I could use technical ability to open but as I didnt have enough technical ability, I was thinking that I had no choice. Until I noticed, the club building was reasonably close to the building I was, so I jumped from the building I was into the roof of the nearby club. I headshot a guard in the balcony, then I realized I was right on the bedroom of the target, killed him and then it was mission over, if I wanted, I could leave the club and end the mission but I decided to just shoot the rest of the gangers and loot their shit. I'm not sure but that door I couldnt open on the nearby building, I bet I could go through there and one tap the target without even getting inside the club through his window. It was a nice level, sure, it is no sandbox Deus Ex or Dishonored level but it was in there that I realized the game wasnt just cyber GTA and it was actually a little incline from the overwhelming cutscene ridden main missions.

It was a pretty detailed little level for an open world game, if it was GTA, it would be just a shooting gallery from start to finish with scripted shit all over it and if you deviated a single bit from the path, it was mission over.This wasnt the only mission that offered multiple access routes but some smaller missions end so quickly that you barely notice if you go to eliminate the targets on a lethal way. Far more annoying than the pedestrian ai is the enemy ai, I grabbed a guy right in front of his dude and I just dragged him into the room behind me and he didnt get hostile immediately, WTF. It was a nice little incline on the middle of alot of popamole.

If the mission is in Kabuki, I know the one. I found an alternate way to get in through the balcony, if you first scale a neighboring building and jump from one air conditioner to the other until you reach the place. You can actually zip the guy as he watches through the second floor window, without ever entering the building.

 

[Agame]

i get all the money went into the city and all the set pieces, which have an unbelievable level of detail, but damn, the rest is barely a playable beta.

Yea its already been said here but it does feel more and more like they spent 8 years working on graphics/art design/aesthetics and then maybe 1 or 2 years madly crunching out the actual game systems...

Very curious to see if we get an expose on Cyberpunk development at some point and it is revealed that the game was completely rebuilt from scratch sometime during the process. Cos its looking more and more like that happened. Or maybe its just a bunch of lazy AF Polacks?

 

[Danikas]

i get all the money went into the city and all the set pieces, which have an unbelievable level of detail, but damn, the rest is barely a playable beta.

Yea its already been said here but it does feel more and more like they spent 8 years working on graphics/art design/aesthetics and then maybe 1 or 2 years madly crunching out the actual game systems...

Very curious to see if we get an expose on Cyberpunk development at some point and it is revealed that the game was completely rebuilt from scratch sometime during the process. Cos its looking more and more like that happened. Or maybe its just a bunch of lazy AF Polacks?

I think creating realistic city with complex ai is much more difficult than what they have ever done with the witcher games I posted video above there are some leftovers of driving ai meaning they worked on it and wanted to have police like in gta but it was probably not ready for the release so they cut it and put this band aid solution with spawning cops behind you.

 

[Semiurge]

Any real man would have replied "Worse, a woman". Men are inherently capable of writing better AI due to chormones emitted in their testicles. I'm sure there is a neckbeard youtuber somewhere who explains that.

Cuz, like, you must be more intelligent than the A.I. you're trying to write, rite?

Agree.

Virginia Hey spotted :D

 

[Agame]

i get all the money went into the city and all the set pieces, which have an unbelievable level of detail, but damn, the rest is barely a playable beta.

Yea its already been said here but it does feel more and more like they spent 8 years working on graphics/art design/aesthetics and then maybe 1 or 2 years madly crunching out the actual game systems...

Very curious to see if we get an expose on Cyberpunk development at some point and it is revealed that the game was completely rebuilt from scratch sometime during the process. Cos its looking more and more like that happened. Or maybe its just a bunch of lazy AF Polacks?

I think creating realistic city with complex ai is much more difficult than what they have ever done with the witcher games I posted video above there are some leftovers of driving ai meaning they worked on it and wanted to have police like in gta but it was probably not ready for the release so they cut it and put this band aid soultion with spawning cops behind you.

Question is will all this stuff get fixed/properly implemented over the next few years? Or will we get some DLC filled with more variety of fluro spiked dildos and tranny fiction and CDPR go all in on Cyberpunk Online "Money Tree" Edition.

 

[Grampy_Bone]

In the begining I wasnt really feeling for this game, the combat was clunky and I was mostly farming for street creeds on NCPD hotspots and doing side gigs after the biochip main mission. In the beginning, the side gigs were just a bunch of smalll side gigs, rescue ripper doc from gangers, rescue ganger from his ex gang, kill cyberpsycho, I was really afraid most of those missions would be just Ubisoft bs (NCPD hotspots are just Ubisoft bs), I was finding it okay at best, just cyber GTA until I got the more interesting gigs. I got a gig where I needed to kill the owner of a club, I imagined it would be just a fairly simple mission and blast a few gangster and be done like the ones before until I decided to make a few tests.

It was a two floor club where the target was on the second floor. In the beginning, I was thinking about just go guns blazing until I saw a side gate, got in there and got on a stairs up on a nearby building. There was a door in there where I could use technical ability to open but as I didnt have enough technical ability, I was thinking that I had no choice. Until I noticed, the club building was reasonably close to the building I was, so I jumped from the building I was into the roof of the nearby club. I headshot a guard in the balcony, then I realized I was right on the bedroom of the target, killed him and then it was mission over, if I wanted, I could leave the club and end the mission but I decided to just shoot the rest of the gangers and loot their shit. I'm not sure but that door I couldnt open on the nearby building, I bet I could go through there and one tap the target without even getting inside the club through his window. It was a nice level, sure, it is no sandbox Deus Ex or Dishonored level but it was in there that I realized the game wasnt just cyber GTA and it was actually a little incline from the overwhelming cutscene ridden main missions.

It was a pretty detailed little level for an open world game, if it was GTA, it would be just a shooting gallery from start to finish with scripted shit all over it and if you deviated a single bit from the path, it was mission over.This wasnt the only mission that offered multiple access routes but some smaller missions end so quickly that you barely notice if you go to eliminate the targets on a lethal way. Far more annoying than the pedestrian ai is the enemy ai, I grabbed a guy right in front of his dude and I just dragged him into the room behind me and he didnt get hostile immediately, WTF. It was a nice little incline on the middle of alot of popamole.

If the mission is in Kabuki, I know the one. I found an alternate way to get in through the balcony, if you first scale a neighboring building and jump from one air conditioner to the other until you reach the place. You can actually zip the guy as he watches through the second floor window, without ever entering the building.

That was one of the first missions I did, walked up to the vending machines and was like, "Oh hey I can hack these for some reason," which immediately aggroed the whole building.

 

[Gargaune]

I cannot believe they actively offered to refund on consoles.

I mean, that's common sense based on the Jank, but to see a developer outwardly -offer- to do that is mind-blowing.

I remember when I got Mass Effect 2 for free on Origin. I never played it, but I still think it was EA apologising for Dragon Age 2.

The game is more Deus Ex than the new deus exes[HR and MD] ever were.

 

[Danikas]

Question is will all this stuff get fixed/properly implemented over the next few years? Or will we get some DLC filled with more variety of fluro spiked dildos and tranny fiction and CDPR go all in on Cyberpunk Online "Money Tree" Edition.

If they want multi bux they need npc chases without it they are worse than gta 4 online and there are this traces of ai left meaning they will probably bring it to singleplayer that's my hope at least. 100% they are going to add barbers and some tattoo shops as free dlc though.

 

[DJOGamer PT]

When the Fallout 76 debacle happened Bethesda refused to give anyone a refund, they just kept their lips tight and butthole clenched and eventually everyone forgot about it

Actually no one forgot about that
Their active player numbers has been steadily falling and their metacritic score is still shit
Beth's reputation in the industry has been pretty much tainted

 

[Great Deceiver]

There's some grade A shilling in this thread. It's actually quite remarkable.

 

[The Last Blackguard]

I was gonna post my thoughts on the game overall, but I was busy studying for finals, and by now it'd be pointless.

What I will say is that I'm playing on an Xbone X and I'm liking the game enough to power through the performance issues and bugs and whatnot. The 1.04 patched helped a fair bit and gives me hope for this game's performance improving, but holy shit the game hates Lizzie's.

One really neat thing was that I accidentally drove a stolen car off a freeway ramp and into a flooded ditch that had another car in it, next to a dead guy with a log showing him drunk texting. He also had a purple jacket, so, that's neat. Felt like an organic moment of exploration and discovery.

 

[Semiurge]

They plan to milk support this game for the next 6-7 years, minimum. Eventually they will rewrite and fix the AI, either as part of a gigaPatch or an expansion. It would be illogical for them not to try and fix this. This is not likely to happen for at least a year though, I'd guess.

Or they will realize that they won't have to, and they can do without the goodwill like Bethesda.

Lol reddit censored my dick and vag post: https://www.reddit.com/r/cyberpunkg...ult_gamedev_genital_options_were_essentially/

I bought Cyberpunk 2077 and all I have to show for it is a massive, ugly, uncircumcised cock--I can't even get laid in a strip club because there's no option to do so. I might as well move to Germany and hang out in coffee shops looking for Americans to shame and talk shit to about their refusal to adopt the metric system and universal healthcare.

I have approached countless prostitutes on the street and hit "F" to talk, but they don't offer me any pussy for sale. I have even hit up random women on the street, and nobody is offering me any paid or free pussy.

The only action I got was when I accidentally chose homosex in that one quest--the options presented me with two VERY ambiguous names--one was a guy, the other a girl and it offered ZERO context to intelligently figure out which was which. I didn't remember the scene from before and had no idea that I accidentally chose a guy instead of a girl. Pissed me the fuck off.

Had I known this, I would have opted for a circumcised cock.

Were you really expecting meaningful genitalia? I'm not gonna lie I wish there were some default penis options in the dialogue choices, but I can't say I was expecting the world to be reactive to my penis to begin with.

"Meaningful Genitalia" should be a username.

 

[Danikas]

It was a pretty detailed little level for an open world game, if it was GTA, it would be just a shooting gallery from start to finish with scripted shit all over it and if you deviated a single bit from the path, it was mission over.This wasnt the only mission that offered multiple access routes but some smaller missions end so quickly that you barely notice if you go to eliminate the targets on a lethal way.

Yeah most gigs are pretty cool and have unique levels dedicated to them some are better than others but from what I noticed there are always at least 2 entry points (sometimes even 5) for you target and you can aproach them how you want most of the time you dont even need to kill your target just place his unconcious body in fixers car ala dishonored. For a Cdpr game this is a huge step up.

 

[fantadomat]

 

[RRRrrr]

Goyims breaking news there was some police ai being worked on but they 100% canned it here are the left overs



Means they can bring it back at least.

Why aren't more people talking about this? This seems like the fully functional AI needed for police chases. Was it cut because of consoletards? The game runs horribly on consoles, i guess it was cut because it was too much for them. I mean, the police AI and car chases are in the game right now, just disabled?

 

[Danikas]

Why aren't more people talking about this? This seems like the fully functional AI needed for police chases. Was it cut because of consoletards? The game runs horribly on consoles, i guess it was cut because it was too much for them. I mean, the police AI and car chases are in the game right now, just disabled?

My bet it was too buggy to put in the release version, in the badlands there are actually some militech patrols that will engage and chase you in their vehicles if your run people over. During delamain mission one of the taxis has some sort driving ai it avoided my car when I tried to block it.



Trains also exist as physical objects seems it wouldnt take much work to bring back the monorail, assets are all there and working in the world.

 

[Glenda Glenn]

This game looks and plays like a mixture of a looter-shooter with retarded bullet sponge enemies, floating damage numbers, fucking "legendary" items, lots of useless items to loot. Also, a bit of a poor man's GTA, mixed with Deus Ex. It claims to be an RPG and yet doesn't allow any role-playing. I have not seen a single moment that the player is allowed to have a tangible effect on the behavior of the PC. Aside from their superficial appearance, everything about them has already been established. They already know what they want and like it or not, you are simply pushed forward in the story the game wants to tell you. How is this role-playing? Also, how does one role-play in a game with no karma/morality/relationship system anyway? This isn't a bloody tabletop game which you play with other people who observe and judge your actions, in the absence of other players, you must have some system to track the effects of the player's actions on the PC as well as NPCs. How can you claim that you're "role-playing" if no one in the game reacts to what you've been doing? Even retarded Bethesda games have a simple relationship system that the player can influence FFS. Having multiple options to tackle a quest is NOT "role-playing" by the way, let's get that straight. Just because I have multiple transportation options to choose from to go to work, it doesn't mean that I'm "role-playing" every morning.

 

[Turjan]

Trains also exist as physical objects seems it wouldnt take much work to bring back the monorail, assets are all there and working in the world.

I've seen that monorail run by. There are also stations, but they are just part of the fast travel system.
The tracks are everywhere.

 

[Turjan]

So, today I experienced a few bugs actually. The most severe one was with the reward you get from "Riders on the Storm". It seems the combination of not being able to use the gun because of attribute restrictions and an inventory that is just short of full killed my ability to use any weapons at all. It's scripted that your char equips the gun, which showed in my "inventory" pic, but of course the gun was blocked, because it has a "body" requirement my char didn't fulfill. I had to reload a save from before I got the weapon and clear out some space in my inventory for it not to bug out.

Also, I noticed I had never been to downtown (which is a different district from "City Center"). I went there, and I came to the conclusion I couldn't handle the mission I tried or the local gangsters. Yikes.

I also took a trip to some of the outer districts, and there I found weird random missions, shards completely without title or text and other unfinished business. It reminded me of Malachor V, just more boring.

 

[Ezeekiel]

So checking resource monitor while looking at some heavy-ish scenes which get my fps down, turns out my CPU (3900x) is being rather well utilized and may be the limiting factor (a whole bunch of cores maxed out intermittently or close) but my GPU is pretty much asleep. Hrm.
I do have RT off so maybe that's part of it, but still. How is the GPU and CPU use for the rest of you?
Bizarrely, my CPU fans and case fans never speed up at all playing this game... So in spite of high utilization shown the CPU is not getting hot. Even when the framerate tanks. WTF

This also makes me wonder if the lack of simulation in the game and the missing/inactive a.i. features are due to how CPU heavy it already is. Question is, what the hell is the CPU even doing? Or is the game just reserving it as much as it can and causing issues that way?

 

[simtam]

The big story explores topics that are philosophically interesting, although they're related to the somewhat old-fashioned mise-en-scène of cyberpunk, which is almost quaint these days.

Cyberpunk is setting, though? mise-en-scène would be something more like that movie with the guy who fought the system by inserting dick frames into films.

 

[Zer0wing]

My bet it was too buggy to put in the release version, in the badlands there are actually some militech patrols that will engage and chase you in their vehicles if your run people over. During delamain mission one of the taxis has some sort driving ai it avoided my car when I tried to block it.

I take it that fitting functional AI on consoles in time was considered a lost cause, we all saw that a simple alley shootout tanks framerate to 15 fps on either ps4 or xbox. Their pathfinding algorhitm might be too much for last gen hardware.

Trains also exist as physical objects seems it wouldnt take much work to bring back the monorail, assets are all there and working in the world.

Same. Yuge crowds in a tight moving collision box along with world streaming might be too taxing.

 

[DalekFlay]

I take it that fitting functional AI on consoles in time was considered a lost cause, we all saw that a simple alley shootout tanks framerate to 15 fps on either ps4 or xbox. Their pathfinding algorhitm might be too much for last gen hardware.

Obvious reason they still released it on PS4 and XBO is obvious, but if they released this as a PS5/XS launch game (and PC of course) it would be getting a lot different reception and maybe would have done them better in the long run. Who knows though really, consumers tend to bitch and whine online but still play 100 hours and pre-order the next game.

 

[KK1001]

Features and code were most definitely stripped out at the last second to get it to run on last-gen consoles and weaker PCs.

To fix this game you're looking at, the very least:
- Fixing the police spawning and AI
- Fixing the pedestrians, especially their AI, dialogue with each other, driving, and reaction to crazy shit around them
- Fixing combat AI to be even moderately challenging.
- Squishing all the bugs

To restore any good will CDPR will have to go above and beyond::
- Add back in subways
- Add more mini games and misc. activities
- Adding new apartments to buy, character and vehicle customization

Mods will probably fix:
- Unbalanced loot and crafting system
- Boring skill tree system
- Lack of difficulty (I'm on hard I was doing 3,000 damage katana crits 30% of the time at level 12 and one-shotting nearly everything)

You are looking at a 2-3 year project of fixing what's here and adding in old features, for free, AND bringing out cheap expansions with more content.

 

[RobotSquirrel]

To fix this game you're looking at, the very least:
- Fixing the police spawning and AI
- Fixing the pedestrians, especially their AI, dialogue with each other, driving, and reaction to crazy shit around them
- Fixing combat AI to be even moderately challenging.
- Squishing all the bugs

I think you're really underplaying how bad a state the game is in lol.

2-3 year project of fixing

Whilst they're also making a multiplayer cyberpunk title and the Witcher sequel. Not gonna happen.