CD Projekt's Cyberpunk 2077 Update 2.0 + Phantom Liberty Expansion Thread

[S.H.O.D.A.N.]

That's the moral of The Witcher 3.

So, this time we have Silverhand instead... I see...

Silverhand's an actually well written character. Neither Sapkowski, nor CDPR could salvage Ciri, because teen characters are boring by nature.

 

[Turjan]

Is there a high class district or gated community somewhere? So far except for certain story missions the city looks equally run down everywhere, when it should be more like Brazil.

There are several. Charter Hill is for the corpos and looks like it, the actual Downtown is clean and with beautiful house entrances, there are the huge villas in North Oak (the road up there is secured by private companies, and the grounds patrolled by robots). Last not least, the whole Arasaka town is walled and inaccessible.

By the way, one way to get a glimpse at this is to take the motorway. The main motorway in Night City forms a complete circle that you can drive endlessly (not sure why you would, but hey). The character of this motorway changes drastically, depending on how wealthy the surrounding districts are. I found it quite interesting to get a feel for the place that way.

 

[Fenix]

Fallout and other post-apoc fiction are popular because they are reactionary. Basically nothing says progress was a mistake like nuclear annihilation, and that violence is righteous like killing one mutant or raider at a time. See also: zombies.

Well, does it matter why it was popular? It just works. experience is attractive.

 

[Koolz]

Geralt is basically a Walking Dildo!!!!

Women love Dildos!

Something they can use for sex any time.

Never complains.

Always stays hard!

Is always there to make them have an orgasm.

Doesn't talk to much.

Won't get pregnant.

Now you know about all the Dildos in Cyberpunk 2077.

 

[just]

so true. these t poses, floating cigs and flying cars are nothing to me.
on job interviews when asked what i'm most proud of i say that i beat gothic 3 without patches
hr bitches immediately wet. men scared
usually they stare at me with astonishment dont even know what to ask next
so i just leave and on my way out i say
and vtmb too

 

[Perkel]

Silverhand's an actually well written character. Neither Sapkowski, nor CDPR could salvage Ciri, because teen characters are boring by nature.

1. Silverhand
2. Mitch
3. Goro
4. Evelyn
5. Jackie

That is my top 5 when it comes to best written characters in 77

 

[Zer0wing]

Geralt is basically a Walking Dildo!!!!

Women love Dildos!

Something they can use for sex any time.

Never complains.

Always stays hard!

Is always there to make them have an orgasm.

Doesn't talk to much.

Won't get pregnant.

Now you know about all the Dildos in Cyberpunk 2077.

Damn, Samurai has some inpsiring prose...

 

[blessed king of longing]

Actually they just want to rub your face in it. It's more of a querulous gesture that you will be forced to accept, and your children will be forced to accept. It's malice more than anything else, malice against the normal.

NATALT ofc, but it's a pretty common syndrome.



Waitaminnit, is Panam mixed race? I thought she was just Hiispanic or something? She could pass for Spanish or even Italian. She doesn't have any negroid features at all to my eyes.



Vavra seems to lean towards the "being there" immersion camp, like me, and like some of the others who quite like the game despite its flaws here. I can acknowledge all the problems with the game, but it nevertheless hooks me because I've wanted this kind of immersion since I first played in a 3-d virtual environment in Doom. I think at a gameplay level it is what it is, and although I think it will be more finished and polished eventually, it's never going to satisfy the persnickety gameplay tastes of some here, probably even not when modded (as some of the popamole is probably too baked in). But fuck 'em.

**********

On another note: someone mentioned waaaaaaaaaaaay back in the thread about putting the Film Grain and Chromatic Aberration on. I'm one of those people who automatically switches those off in games, so that was one of the first things I did when I started playing this. But I just switched 'em on the other night to try it out, and that Codexer was right, they do actually add a subtle but noticeable level of atmosphere, and take the edge off the "plasticky" feel of some of the art design (I don't mean in terms of shiny bodies - that's pretty bad and probably unfinished graphics - but rather in removing some of the dildo feel from the game and making it more serious, doomy and decayed looking).

The characters with shiny skin have RealSkin or whatever. It's purpose is to make them look doll-like

 

[mondblut]

Someone is new to the internet, I see.

 

[mondblut]

"Magic made men want to try out being a woman so they could touch boobs 24/7, so now all the women are trannies! #BLM"

You wouldn't believe how mad this would make trannies. Not to mention feminazis.

And yes, replacing genitals at will with whatever fits the mood tonight is as transhumanist as replacing hands. It does fit the setting. What doesn't fit the setting is centering your identity around the brand and model of your pussy implant and expecting everyone to cheer and clap over your bravery and uniqueness.

When everyone is transhumanist, no one is "transgender".

 

[Cpt. Dallas]

Peak cyberpunk setting.

Cyberpunk? I was thinking contemporary L.A. or NYC.

 

[Generic-Giant-Spider]

Watching playthroughs of this game being held together by chewed gum and string, there is one side quest I like but they also fucked up MAJORLY.

Spoiler

"Happy Together." Basically some cops try to talk sense into an old partner of theirs who apparently suffered a deep loss and has broken down/become a recluse in his apartment. You manage to talk your way in and learn about his best friend who died through natural causes but looked upon him as though he were family. Along the way he talks about how his former cop buddies outside try but don't get it, so you have a good chat with him and leave.

Your guy comes back some time later and you see the cops outside the apartment, the guy cop who normally portrayed a tough guy attitude is in tears while the woman cop is trying to console him. He's sitting in a small pool of blood and there's police tape in front of the apartment letting you know that the tenant offed himself. This is actually a fairly good little side quest that has a conclusion that doesn't pull punches and how not every story in Night City ends happily.

EXCEPT the game tells you straight up "mission failed" which means you did the whole sequence wrong. It takes away any built up emotional impact because now you know there's a correct resolution that wasn't done correctly, it wasn't just a case of a guy so down in the dumps that nobody could really reach him.

So I looked it up and there's actually a somewhat humorous end that makes it much more lighthearted if you try to follow up on the guy's clues. Turns out his best pal was actually his pet turtle and you go back to tell the cops about this and they apparently get through to him and everybody ends up fine, mission success and all.

But it would have been much more effective if the mission complete came up whether it was suicide or not. I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of players fuck this quest up their first go around and it's a rather bleak ending that plays into that whole "everyone has their own struggles" angle that dystopian fiction draws from. I really think telling the player there is a good ending by showing them they fail the mission if he offs himself takes away from the idea that Night City can chew you up and spit you out.

 

[gurugeorge]

Actually they just want to rub your face in it. It's more of a querulous gesture that you will be forced to accept, and your children will be forced to accept. It's malice more than anything else, malice against the normal.

NATALT ofc, but it's a pretty common syndrome.



Waitaminnit, is Panam mixed race? I thought she was just Hiispanic or something? She could pass for Spanish or even Italian. She doesn't have any negroid features at all to my eyes.



Vavra seems to lean towards the "being there" immersion camp, like me, and like some of the others who quite like the game despite its flaws here. I can acknowledge all the problems with the game, but it nevertheless hooks me because I've wanted this kind of immersion since I first played in a 3-d virtual environment in Doom. I think at a gameplay level it is what it is, and although I think it will be more finished and polished eventually, it's never going to satisfy the persnickety gameplay tastes of some here, probably even not when modded (as some of the popamole is probably too baked in). But fuck 'em.

**********

On another note: someone mentioned waaaaaaaaaaaay back in the thread about putting the Film Grain and Chromatic Aberration on. I'm one of those people who automatically switches those off in games, so that was one of the first things I did when I started playing this. But I just switched 'em on the other night to try it out, and that Codexer was right, they do actually add a subtle but noticeable level of atmosphere, and take the edge off the "plasticky" feel of some of the art design (I don't mean in terms of shiny bodies - that's pretty bad and probably unfinished graphics - but rather in removing some of the dildo feel from the game and making it more serious, doomy and decayed looking).

The characters with shiny skin have RealSkin or whatever. It's purpose is to make them look doll-like

Pah! More degeneracy!

 

[Frank Capicoli]

Watching playthroughs of this game being held together by chewed gum and string, there is one side quest I like but they also fucked up MAJORLY.

Spoiler

"Happy Together." Basically some cops try to talk sense into an old partner of theirs who apparently suffered a deep loss and has broken down/become a recluse in his apartment. You manage to talk your way in and learn about his best friend who died through natural causes but looked upon him as though he were family. Along the way he talks about how his former cop buddies outside try but don't get it, so you have a good chat with him and leave.

Your guy comes back some time later and you see the cops outside the apartment, the guy cop who normally portrayed a tough guy attitude is in tears while the woman cop is trying to console him. He's sitting in a small pool of blood and there's police tape in front of the apartment letting you know that the tenant offed himself. This is actually a fairly good little side quest that has a conclusion that doesn't pull punches and how not every story in Night City ends happily.

EXCEPT the game tells you straight up "mission failed" which means you did the whole sequence wrong. It takes away any built up emotional impact because now you know there's a correct resolution that wasn't done correctly, it wasn't just a case of a guy so down in the dumps that nobody could really reach him.

So I looked it up and there's actually a somewhat humorous end that makes it much more lighthearted if you try to follow up on the guy's clues. Turns out his best pal was actually his pet turtle and you go back to tell the cops about this and they apparently get through to him and everybody ends up fine, mission success and all.

But it would have been much more effective if the mission complete came up whether it was suicide or not. I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of players fuck this quest up their first go around and it's a rather bleak ending that plays into that whole "everyone has their own struggles" angle that dystopian fiction draws from. I really think telling the player there is a good ending by showing them they fail the mission if he offs himself takes away from the idea that Night City can chew you up and spit you out.

Spoiler

You can find a memorial plaque that he puts in a columbarium cemetery later on in the game too as a small detail.

 

[Grampy_Bone]

That's the moral of The Witcher 3.

So, this time we have Silverhand instead... I see...

Silverhand's an actually well written character. Neither Sapkowski, nor CDPR could salvage Ciri, because teen characters are boring by nature.

Silverhand is basically Tyler Durden. Being male, he's capable of having flaws, and thus is relatable, and his extreme actions make him appealing. Someone else said they were annoyed at the way the game makes you pretend like you hate him.

Female characters are boring because they aren't allowed to have flaws other than 'low self esteem.' That's why Ciri's heroic journey begins and ends at external validation.

 

[AwesomeButton]

I guess the success of Fallout means that millions are dreaming of living in an irradiated desert, pissing neon green, eating whatever bug they can catch and getting torn apart by huge ugly mutants? A-ok.

Yeah, I was thinking about another analogy - watching Freddie Mercury's video of "I want to break free" as a child apparently turns you gay.

My question was not about that at all. People like to play games, and they always protect games they like - to protect themselfs from a guilt.
There is also tolerance, that makes people less and less sensitive to a subject.
What is not propaganda for you, I definitaly accept as such.
Anyway, my questionwas different - you are very disgust of a game world, rigth?
You playing the game with a clenched teeth right? Like if you are struggling to overcome disgust?
You are playing to absorb that message game has, and to transfer it to every human being around, to warn them against trannies, corporations, and capitalism, rigth?

Not with any more disgust than what I played Witcher 3 with. While roaming Night City I often feel as a jaded Noir character, and get memories of Blade Runner 2049. I like the feeling of melancholy in Noir, so I can't say I feel disgusted.

But your whole argument is strange, as if a player should not be making a difference between fiction and real life, if I understand correctly.

 

[Tyranicon]

I guess the success of Fallout means that millions are dreaming of living in an irradiated desert, pissing neon green, eating whatever bug they can catch and getting torn apart by huge ugly mutants? A-ok.

Yeah, I was thinking about another analogy - watching Freddie Mercury's video of "I want to break free" as a child apparently turns you gay.

My question was not about that at all. People like to play games, and they always protect games they like - to protect themselfs from a guilt.
There is also tolerance, that makes people less and less sensitive to a subject.
What is not propaganda for you, I definitaly accept as such.
Anyway, my questionwas different - you are very disgust of a game world, rigth?
You playing the game with a clenched teeth right? Like if you are struggling to overcome disgust?
You are playing to absorb that message game has, and to transfer it to every human being around, to warn them against trannies, corporations, and capitalism, rigth?

Not with any more disgust than what I played Witcher 3 with. While roaming Night City I often feel as a jaded Noir character, and get memories of Blade Runner 2049. I like the feeling of melancholy in Noir, so I can't say I feel disgusted.

But your whole argument is strange, as if a player should not be making a difference between fiction and real life, if I understand correctly.

Whatever else CP2077 is/was/should've been, it's a great Bladerunner screensaver.

 

[Fedora Master]

So I guess we know why his crotch was on fire.

 

[gurugeorge]

BTW
Someone told me, that in W3, the destiny of all kingdoms is defined as how good you sucked up Ciri's ass throughout the game.
Is it rigth?
Because, if yes, the parallels with CP are obvious.

Yeah, this was one of my main complaints about the game.

You have Geralt, a man's man, the coolest monster hunter who has ever lived, he bangs sorceresses coming and going, he's got kings on speed dial, those that don't love him fear him, he kills with no remorse, he's got the most loyal friends, he's a living legend--and he's deep, he's well read, he has philosophical ruminations and quandaries, he debates dragons and trolls on morality, basically gives no fucks, lives his life as the world is leaving him behind, and even at the end of it all is still willing to haggle down a peasant for a few more orens to kill a cockatrice (and plays a mean game of Gwent.)

and yet... none of that matters. He's not the main character, Ciri is. Ciri who is awesome just for existing, who was born with more power than Geralt will ever attain, who gets the honorary Witcher title without undergoing the actual Witcher trial that kills 60% of applicants, because she's just so gosh darn awesome she doesn't even need it.

Her outcome is dependent on Geralt's non-stop encouragement and 'self esteem'. If you tell her to calm down, be stoic, don't make rash decisions--you know, BE LIKE GERALT, she won't have enough 'Stronk Grrl Powah' to survive the endgame. You doom the world because you were too critical of her.

That's the moral of The Witcher 3.

You see this is why, when people complain of SJW-ery, I smile to myself. SJW-ery is only the latest development in a relentless line of cuckery that started long before 2015, long before Sapkowski - back, back, back, into the dim mists of the late 19th century is more or less when it all started. It's been slow burn, an ever so gentle ratcheting-up, a gradual boiling of the frog.

 

[Robber Baron]

it's a great Bladerunner screensaver.

Sci-fi themes in general, each district has a different tone that it nails perfectly plus night/day vistas are great in their own way

 

[Dishonoredbr]

Female characters are boring because they aren't allowed to have flaws other than 'low self esteem.' That's why Ciri's heroic journey begins and ends at external validation.

I don't think this is issue of Female characters can't have flaws other than self slow esteem but a problem with shitty writing.

 

[Tyranicon]

Female characters are boring because they aren't allowed to have flaws other than 'low self esteem.' That's why Ciri's heroic journey begins and ends at external validation.

I don't think this is issue of Female characters can't have flaws other than self slow esteem but a problem with shitty writing.

Video game writers were the real sexists all along.

 

[Stavrophore]

it's a great Bladerunner screensaver.

Sci-fi themes in general, each district has a different tone that it nails perfectly plus night/day vistas are great in their own way

These cargo ships are irking me. They have no lift surfaces, so they solely rely on VTOL engines. But i dont see any vertical engine beside the big horizontal one. Is there antigravity tech in cybercuck?

 

[Tyranicon]

it's a great Bladerunner screensaver.

Sci-fi themes in general, each district has a different tone that it nails perfectly plus night/day vistas are great in their own way

These cargo ships are irking me. They have no lift surfaces, so they solely rely on VTOL engines. But i dont see any vertical engine beside the big horizontal one. Is there antigravity tech in cybercuck?

The VTOLs haven't popped in yet. Wait a year.

 

[gurugeorge]

I guess the success of Fallout means that millions are dreaming of living in an irradiated desert, pissing neon green, eating whatever bug they can catch and getting torn apart by huge ugly mutants? A-ok.

Yeah, I was thinking about another analogy - watching Freddie Mercury's video of "I want to break free" as a child apparently turns you gay.

My question was not about that at all. People like to play games, and they always protect games they like - to protect themselfs from a guilt.
There is also tolerance, that makes people less and less sensitive to a subject.
What is not propaganda for you, I definitaly accept as such.
Anyway, my questionwas different - you are very disgust of a game world, rigth?
You playing the game with a clenched teeth right? Like if you are struggling to overcome disgust?
You are playing to absorb that message game has, and to transfer it to every human being around, to warn them against trannies, corporations, and capitalism, rigth?

Not with any more disgust than what I played Witcher 3 with. While roaming Night City I often feel as a jaded Noir character, and get memories of Blade Runner 2049. I like the feeling of melancholy in Noir, so I can't say I feel disgusted.

But your whole argument is strange, as if a player should not be making a difference between fiction and real life, if I understand correctly.

I think Fenix is saying that even though consciously one does of course make that difference, there's still an effect on the subconscious level that's getting you accustomed and wearing you down.