CD Projekt's Cyberpunk 2077 Update 2.0 + Phantom Liberty Expansion Thread

[gurugeorge]

Female characters are boring because they aren't allowed to have flaws other than 'low self esteem.' That's why Ciri's heroic journey begins and ends at external validation.

I don't think this is issue of Female characters can't have flaws other than self slow esteem but a problem with shitty writing.

No it's an issue that writers HAVE to write shittily and toe the party line, otherwise they don't get lauded and publicized; or perhaps even better to say, it's mostly shitty writers that get lauded an publicized. Or looking at it the other way round, good writers, or writers who refuse to bend the knee, have a devil of a time getting things publicized and lauded.

Kto, kogo?

 

[Dishonoredbr]

It's yo boy Jason Schreier back at again. With another drop of hot news.

 

[Clockwork Knight]

BTW
Someone told me, that in W3, the destiny of all kingdoms is defined as how good you sucked up Ciri's ass throughout the game.
Is it rigth?
Because, if yes, the parallels with CP are obvious.

Yeah, this was one of my main complaints about the game.

You have Geralt, a man's man, the coolest monster hunter who has ever lived, he bangs sorceresses coming and going, he's got kings on speed dial, those that don't love him fear him, he kills with no remorse, he's got the most loyal friends, he's a living legend--and he's deep, he's well read, he has philosophical ruminations and quandaries, he debates dragons and trolls on morality, basically gives no fucks, lives his life as the world is leaving him behind, and even at the end of it all is still willing to haggle down a peasant for a few more orens to kill a cockatrice (and plays a mean game of Gwent.)

and yet... none of that matters. He's not the main character, Ciri is. Ciri who is awesome just for existing, who was born with more power than Geralt will ever attain, who gets the honorary Witcher title without undergoing the actual Witcher trial that kills 60% of applicants, because she's just so gosh darn awesome she doesn't even need it.

Her outcome is dependent on Geralt's non-stop encouragement and 'self esteem'. If you tell her to calm down, be stoic, don't make rash decisions--you know, BE LIKE GERALT, she won't have enough 'Stronk Grrl Powah' to survive the endgame. You doom the world because you were too critical of her.

That's the moral of The Witcher 3.

You see this is why, when people complain of SJW-ery, I smile to myself. SJW-ery is only the latest development in a relentless line of cuckery that started long before 2015, long before Sapkowski - back, back, back, into the dim mists of the late 19th century is more or less when it all started. It's been slow burn, an ever so gentle ratcheting-up, a gradual boiling of the frog.

Reading Grampy's description, it looks like the issue is less SJW and more about the game collapsing under the weight of a Mary Sue so powerful she can make a Marty like Geralt look like a sidekick.

 

[gurugeorge]

BTW
Someone told me, that in W3, the destiny of all kingdoms is defined as how good you sucked up Ciri's ass throughout the game.
Is it rigth?
Because, if yes, the parallels with CP are obvious.

Yeah, this was one of my main complaints about the game.

You have Geralt, a man's man, the coolest monster hunter who has ever lived, he bangs sorceresses coming and going, he's got kings on speed dial, those that don't love him fear him, he kills with no remorse, he's got the most loyal friends, he's a living legend--and he's deep, he's well read, he has philosophical ruminations and quandaries, he debates dragons and trolls on morality, basically gives no fucks, lives his life as the world is leaving him behind, and even at the end of it all is still willing to haggle down a peasant for a few more orens to kill a cockatrice (and plays a mean game of Gwent.)

and yet... none of that matters. He's not the main character, Ciri is. Ciri who is awesome just for existing, who was born with more power than Geralt will ever attain, who gets the honorary Witcher title without undergoing the actual Witcher trial that kills 60% of applicants, because she's just so gosh darn awesome she doesn't even need it.

Her outcome is dependent on Geralt's non-stop encouragement and 'self esteem'. If you tell her to calm down, be stoic, don't make rash decisions--you know, BE LIKE GERALT, she won't have enough 'Stronk Grrl Powah' to survive the endgame. You doom the world because you were too critical of her.

That's the moral of The Witcher 3.

You see this is why, when people complain of SJW-ery, I smile to myself. SJW-ery is only the latest development in a relentless line of cuckery that started long before 2015, long before Sapkowski - back, back, back, into the dim mists of the late 19th century is more or less when it all started. It's been slow burn, an ever so gentle ratcheting-up, a gradual boiling of the frog.

Reading Grampy's description, it looks like the issue is less SJW and more about the game collapsing under the weight of a Mary Sue so powerful she can make a Marty like Geralt look like a sidekick.

It's not so much the Mary-Sueness - there have always been Gary Stus after all. But Gary Stus could be criticized without fear of losing your job, whereas it's a modern-day quasi-religious duty to take men down a peg, take everything they can do and have done away from them, and worship women for being awesome for just existing. The great irony is that Feminism is merely another form of putting women on a pedestal. Which just means that women have always wanted to be put on a pedestal, but they've been told that the things they used to be put on a pedestal for are now low status (being a mother, loving and supporting a man, being the moral bellwether of their community, being exemplars of the softer side of humanity, of kindness and charity, etc.), and that they need to be put on a pedestal (and men need to worship them) for a new bunch of things - mainly, being like a man. Which is of course impossible (for the vast majority).

It deranges both the sexes. Women are unhappy die as bitter old cat ladies, men are suicidal and top themselves in their 30s, etc., etc.

And there is method in that madness. It's not an accident or some natural development of the internal logic of Western society.

 

[gurugeorge]

On a lighter note, I just got my Kusanagi CT-3X :D Man, that thing's a beast.

 

[Tyranicon]

Female characters are boring because they aren't allowed to have flaws other than 'low self esteem.' That's why Ciri's heroic journey begins and ends at external validation.

I don't think this is issue of Female characters can't have flaws other than self slow esteem but a problem with shitty writing.

No it's an issue that writers HAVE to write shittily and toe the party line, otherwise they don't get lauded and publicized; or perhaps even better to say, it's mostly shitty writers that get lauded an publicized. Or looking at it the other way round, good writers, or writers who refuse to bend the knee, have a devil of a time getting things publicized and lauded.

Kto, kogo?

I mean, the other female characters in Twitcher all have giant glaring flaws: they're massive tier 5, omega level bitches.

 

[Perkel]

 

[Glenda Glenn]

Some of the exploits shown in this video may be patched later in the future, but the idiotic item/crafting/perk/combat design will most likely remain. Judging by how these sort of issues are usually handled by incompetent developers, things might even get worse. I believe nothing else needs to be said about this an utterly retarded game at this point.

 

[Harthwain]

The great irony is that Feminism is merely another form of putting women on a pedestal. Which just means that women have always wanted to be put on a pedestal, but they've been told that the things they used to be put on a pedestal for are now low status (being a mother, loving and supporting a man, being the moral bellwether of their community, being exemplars of the softer side of humanity, of kindness and charity, etc.), and that they need to be put on a pedestal (and men need to worship them) for a new bunch of things - mainly, being like a man. Which is of course impossible (for the vast majority).

Let's be real here - feminism is just another vocal minority. If women really wanted to elect a woman, they would be able to do so (gender ratio is about 50% everywhere except the Middle East). But they don't. Why? Because majority of women aren't feminists and they aren't a single voting bloc. By the way, I remind you that it was feminists who tried to shit on The Witcher 3.

 

[Hellion]

 

[Tyranicon]

I'm assuming whoever wrote that derpy CDPR apology, or okayed the "refunds" is not in a happy place right now.

Why in the absolute fuck would you promise refunds without prior consultation and okay from your business partners? Scummy as shit.

 

[racofer]

I'm assuming whoever wrote that derpy CDPR apology, or okayed the "refunds" is not in a happy place right now.

Why in the absolute fuck would you promise refunds without prior consultation and okay from your business partners? Scummy as shit.

They lied about the situation of CP2077 on the consoles. What is the problem with another lie?

 

[racofer]

https://www.bloomberg.com/amp/news/...aker-faces-hostile-staff-after-failed-launch?

Cyberpunk Game Maker Faces Hostile Staff After Failed Launch
Rebellion is in the air at Polish video game publisher CD Projekt SA after the company’s highly anticipated, and thrice-delayed, latest title was released to scathing reviews about glitches.

Frustrated and angry staff fired questions at the board during an internal video meeting Thursday that opened with management apologizing for Cyberpunk 2077’s disastrous launch, according to two people who were present. It was a fitting atmosphere for a company whose slogan, plastered on posters all around its Warsaw office, is “We are rebels.”


Developers asked blunt questions about the company’s reputation, the game’s unrealistic deadlines and the relentless overtime in the months and years leading up to the game’s Dec. 10 release.

The meeting took place before Sony Corp.’s shocking announcement that it was pulling Cyberpunk 2077 from the PlayStation Store and will offer full refunds to any customer who requests one. During the staff meeting, CD Projekt’s directors said they had come to an arrangement with Sony but didn’t offer specifics. In a Twitter post on Friday, the company said that “following our discussion with PlayStation, a decision was made to temporarily suspend digital distribution” of the game.

A CD Projekt spokeswoman said the company wouldn’t comment on internal meeting discussions.


Cyberpunk 2077 is one of the biggest games of the year and has been a financial success, selling more than 8 million pre-orders and notching sales records for PC games. But players have found the game full of bugs, particularly on the last-generation PlayStation 4 and Xbox One consoles, sending CD Projekt shares plummeting and leading fans and critics to describe Cyberpunk 2077 as unfinished. CD Projekt’s stock fell 12% in Warsaw Friday, punctuating a steady decline this month that has wiped out gains for the year.

During Cyberpunk 2077’s development, staff endured multiple periods of extensive overtime including mandatory six-day weeks to finish the game, Bloomberg has reported. When asked about this crunch time in the Q&A, the directors said they had plans to improve production practices in the future but didn’t elaborate, according to one person who was there.

One employee asked the board why it had said in January that the game was “complete and playable” when that wasn’t true, to which the board answered that it would take responsibility. Another developer asked whether CD Projekt’s directors felt it was hypocritical to make a game about corporate exploitation while expecting that their employees work overtime. The response was vague and noncommital.


Many industry observers have wondered why Cyberpunk 2077, which was first announced in 2012 and was delayed three times in 2020, still appears to be unfinished. Several current and former staff who worked on Cyberpunk 2077 have all said the same thing: The game’s deadlines, set by the board of directors, were always unrealistic. It was clear to many of the developers that they needed more time.

— With assistance by Konrad Krasuski

 

[Grampy_Bone]

I mean, the other female characters in Twitcher all have giant glaring flaws: they're massive tier 5, omega level bitches.

You only see those as flaws because you're a normal-ish person though. To modern women, those are strengths. You see flaming cunts, they see Boss Babes.

Besides that, they're not protagonists so they don't ping the SJW radar. Keira Metz is actually a pretty well-written character, but in order to get her full story you would actually have to play the game and not just watch streams or trailers, and that's too hard for the majority of cultural censors. They rely on what others tell them to be mad about.

 

[moon knight]

https://www.bloomberg.com/amp/news/...aker-faces-hostile-staff-after-failed-launch?

Cyberpunk Game Maker Faces Hostile Staff After Failed Launch
Rebellion is in the air at Polish video game publisher CD Projekt SA after the company’s highly anticipated, and thrice-delayed, latest title was released to scathing reviews about glitches.

Frustrated and angry staff fired questions at the board during an internal video meeting Thursday that opened with management apologizing for Cyberpunk 2077’s disastrous launch, according to two people who were present. It was a fitting atmosphere for a company whose slogan, plastered on posters all around its Warsaw office, is “We are rebels.”


Developers asked blunt questions about the company’s reputation, the game’s unrealistic deadlines and the relentless overtime in the months and years leading up to the game’s Dec. 10 release.

The meeting took place before Sony Corp.’s shocking announcement that it was pulling Cyberpunk 2077 from the PlayStation Store and will offer full refunds to any customer who requests one. During the staff meeting, CD Projekt’s directors said they had come to an arrangement with Sony but didn’t offer specifics. In a Twitter post on Friday, the company said that “following our discussion with PlayStation, a decision was made to temporarily suspend digital distribution” of the game.

A CD Projekt spokeswoman said the company wouldn’t comment on internal meeting discussions.


Cyberpunk 2077 is one of the biggest games of the year and has been a financial success, selling more than 8 million pre-orders and notching sales records for PC games. But players have found the game full of bugs, particularly on the last-generation PlayStation 4 and Xbox One consoles, sending CD Projekt shares plummeting and leading fans and critics to describe Cyberpunk 2077 as unfinished. CD Projekt’s stock fell 12% in Warsaw Friday, punctuating a steady decline this month that has wiped out gains for the year.

During Cyberpunk 2077’s development, staff endured multiple periods of extensive overtime including mandatory six-day weeks to finish the game, Bloomberg has reported. When asked about this crunch time in the Q&A, the directors said they had plans to improve production practices in the future but didn’t elaborate, according to one person who was there.

One employee asked the board why it had said in January that the game was “complete and playable” when that wasn’t true, to which the board answered that it would take responsibility. Another developer asked whether CD Projekt’s directors felt it was hypocritical to make a game about corporate exploitation while expecting that their employees work overtime. The response was vague and noncommital.


Many industry observers have wondered why Cyberpunk 2077, which was first announced in 2012 and was delayed three times in 2020, still appears to be unfinished. Several current and former staff who worked on Cyberpunk 2077 have all said the same thing: The game’s deadlines, set by the board of directors, were always unrealistic. It was clear to many of the developers that they needed more time.

— With assistance by Konrad Krasuski

Finally, CD Projekt will really become RED

 

[Tyranicon]

I'm assuming whoever wrote that derpy CDPR apology, or okayed the "refunds" is not in a happy place right now.

Why in the absolute fuck would you promise refunds without prior consultation and okay from your business partners? Scummy as shit.

They lied about the situation of CP2077 on the consoles. What is the problem with another lie?

Honestly, nobody cares if you lie to consumers. Nobody, not the fanboys, not the casual players, not even the really angry people because deep down, they expect it. Not saying this is the way it should be, but it is what it is and that's why publishers don't give a fuck.

Lying to/pissing off people with the power to actually make life hard for you? That's big dumb.

 

[gurugeorge]

The great irony is that Feminism is merely another form of putting women on a pedestal. Which just means that women have always wanted to be put on a pedestal, but they've been told that the things they used to be put on a pedestal for are now low status (being a mother, loving and supporting a man, being the moral bellwether of their community, being exemplars of the softer side of humanity, of kindness and charity, etc.), and that they need to be put on a pedestal (and men need to worship them) for a new bunch of things - mainly, being like a man. Which is of course impossible (for the vast majority).

Let's be real here - feminism is just another vocal minority. If women really wanted to elect a woman, they would be able to do so (gender ratio is about 50% everywhere except the Middle East). But they don't. Why? Because majority of women aren't feminists and they aren't a single voting bloc. By the way, I remind you that it was feminists who tried to shit on The Witcher 3.

Yeah but feminists are organized and have a voice that's broadcast on all media and entertainment, relentlessly, without surcease; "the majority of women" aren't and don't, except sometimes in voting, but voting is rigged with both parties being just more advanced or more tardy Feminist-supporting parties. Same, mutatis mutandis for men and their concerns.

 

[just]

corpo wars part 2
sony and cdrp in war
microsoft betrayed cdpr
pc remain neutral chads

 

[Naraya]

Boom.

 

[just]

i forgot stadia sneaky bastards watching from the distance
they will strike when everyone is on their knees and have an aaa exlcusive

 

[EldarEldrad]

So, is there any chance they release Cyberpunk 2078?

 

[Perkel]

I'm assuming whoever wrote that derpy CDPR apology, or okayed the "refunds" is not in a happy place right now.
Why in the absolute fuck would you promise refunds without prior consultation and okay from your business partners? Scummy as shit.

CDPR made official statement that what Sony did was due to them talking to Sony. Sony didn't want to refund games so they talked with them. Sony officially changed their policy due to this and provided one time refund version different from normal refunds:

So it was not Sony/MS kicking CDPR down (and now MS) but CDPR doing this on their own forcing Sony/MS to change refund policy for them.

 

[Lord_Potato]

so true. these t poses, floating cigs and flying cars are nothing to me.
on job interviews when asked what i'm most proud of i say that i beat gothic 3 without patches
hr bitches immediately wet. men scared
usually they stare at me with astonishment dont even know what to ask next
so i just leave and on my way out i say
and vtmb too

A true legend

 

[Tyranicon]

I'm assuming whoever wrote that derpy CDPR apology, or okayed the "refunds" is not in a happy place right now.
Why in the absolute fuck would you promise refunds without prior consultation and okay from your business partners? Scummy as shit.

CDPR made official statement that what Sony did was due to them talking to Sony. Sony didn't want to refund games so they talked with them. Sony officially changed their policy due to this and provided one time refund version different from normal refunds:

I have no idea what happened behind closed doors, but the entire dumpster fire made it seem like the refund apology came as an absolute surprise to both Microsoft and Sony, who then had to scramble their PR teams.

This message is like when you get dumped and you say it's mutual.

 

[Correct_Carlo]

Some of the exploits shown in this video may be patched later in the future, but the idiotic item/crafting/perk/combat design will most likely remain. Judging by how these sort of issues are usually handled by incompetent developers, things might even get worse. I believe nothing else needs to be said about this an utterly retarded game at this point.

If they patch them out they need to completely rethink crafting from the ground up. Getting crafting to level 18 with the exploit is already a tedious chore (the main exploit being the one where you repeatedly "dismantle" the MK2 to get the XP, but as long as you have them equipped, they won't dismantle, so you can do it infinitely). I cannot imagine how you would be able to do it legitimately. It would take over a hundred hours of doing nothing but craft useless weapons for tiny XP gains.