CD Projekt's Cyberpunk 2077 Update 2.0 + Phantom Liberty Expansion Thread

[oneself]

On a different note,

Spoiler

Given that Johnny taking over is a Theseus' ship sort of situation, wouldn't it be possible that letting Johnny take over the body would nonetheless mean that V's stream of consciousness is preserved? Johnny himself (and Victor) mentioned early on that your two personalities were becoming intertwined, so giving him your body seems more to be the case of a person with multiple personality disorder discarding his original personality in favor of the second one.

I don't believe it is a Theseus ship situation. The final stage seems pretty abrupt.

 

[Glenda Glenn]

If I'd critique one thing in particular about your argument here it's that you're trying to turn cyberpunk into its name defining the genre

Obviously, as it should be. If something is categorized as "sci-fi" it should contain both science and fiction, simple as that.

whereas the whole point of cyberpunk was a backlash against the big space operas of the seventies and earlier, all empires and galaxies far far away - Asimov and Heinlein as much as Lucas, to refocus on the stories of individuals living within systems (rather than overthrowing them).

That's a highly ignorant comment. There was no such "backlash" in the 80's and there had been so many sci-fi movies as well as books, including Asimov's, that dealt with "stories of individuals" in dystopian worlds before and after BR. In fact, THX-1138 by George Lucas himself was one such movie. Cyberpunk is a superficial genre mostly focuses on style rather than substance, that's why people consider BR's dark streets with neon lights as a major "inspiration" for it, it wasn't a "backlash" for anything.

The technology part isn't defined by needing the prefix 'cyber' but in examining how technology would/could be used by the individual -

That's a highly nonspecific description which certainly is inadequate when defining a genre. Is Minority Report, for instance, a "cyberpunk" movie? Never heard anyone claim that but it certainly deals with the exact thing you described.

 

[Preben]

https://www.globenewswire.com/news-...ass-action-lawsuit-against-CD-Projekt-SA.html

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Edit: this also just showed up on the CDPR forums: https://forums.cdprojektred.com/index.php?threads/save-files-are-corrupted.11052596/page-5

FUCKING JOOS AT IT AGAIN. WANT TO SWINDLE THE POLISH PEOPLE.

This isn't a surprise. Imagine you are an investor with millions into the company and are promised good results on their latest project.

Only that latest project turns out to be nothing like what was promised, Huge Companies like Sony decide to completely pull the said project off their sales and you watch your investment vanish and become minus.

What are you supposed to average down millions and million. No you get out the Class action lawsuit.

Imagine that this is a company listed in Poland, EU and not some American shithole. American laws do not apply here, which is something apparently this law firm missed since they are asking holders of ADRs. ADRs are something used when a foreign company is listed on an American stock exchange.

 

[Heroic Liberator]

On a different note,

Spoiler

Given that Johnny taking over is a Theseus' ship sort of situation, wouldn't it be possible that letting Johnny take over the body would nonetheless mean that V's stream of consciousness is preserved? Johnny himself (and Victor) mentioned early on that your two personalities were becoming intertwined, so giving him your body seems more to be the case of a person with multiple personality disorder discarding his original personality in favor of the second one.

I don't believe it is a Theseus ship situation. The final stage seems pretty abrupt.

It might be abrupt, but it's still a change of software (basically deleting the original OS all at once rather than continuing to slowly uninstall it) rather than of hardware.

 

[hivemind]

80.4 hours bros.

I enjoyed it a lot.

I think it's a better game than twitcher.

I might still shoot up an outpost here and there when I'm a bored and do another run once blood and wine is out.(if the poles don't get arrested LOL)

 

[Terenty]

I don't think so.
Kerry needs male voice + male body so I think Panam is the same.

What about Judy?

 

[Heroic Liberator]

I don't think so.
Kerry needs male voice + male body so I think Panam is the same.

What about Judy?

Female body + female voice. Dunno if genitals count.

 

[Duralux for Durabux]

Whenever I hear of console plebs complaining about poor performances on their potato rigs:

 

[Stavrophore]

80.4 hours bros.

I enjoyed it a lot.

I think it's a better game than twitcher.

I might still shoot up an outpost here and there when I'm a bored and do another run once blood and wine is out.(if the poles don't get arrested LOL)

well it's not hard to beat witcher with its queen + dodge + slash combo gameplay.

 

[Hellion]

I forgot a minor gripe:

Doors: They can either be picked, forced open, or you need a keycard. You can't hack a single door in the game.

Some of those high-tech "spaceship" doors you find in labs etc can be unlocked via hacking. Target them with cybervision and one of the hacks should be "remote activation (open)". But it doesn't seem to happen with every door of that type.

 

[Heroic Liberator]

Whenever I hear of console plebs complaining about poor performances on their potato rigs:

 

[Derringer]

I thought that was why people enjoyed the Witcher so much, since it's a braindead casualized single-player MMO.

 

[kangaxx]

I spent like 30 hours just doing every gig and quest in night city and it's a brilliant little open world game full of fun little things. Then I did a 20 hour run doing just sidequests and main plot shit. These are two diametrically opposed games. One is an action rpg that would fit in on the 360 generation, and one is an open world exploration levelup game, and they really needed more cohesiveness.

I agree. I said this somewhere above, but the core game loop of wiping out gangers in the street to level up can clash with the story and side quest elements of the game.

In my playthrough I went straight from murdering 10 or 20 gang members to a quest on a very nearby street with the same gang. Doesn't mesh all that well, but they would need to completely restructure the story if they wanted to implement a gang rep system.

 

[hivemind]

Female body + female voice. Dunno if genitals count.

I don't think genitals matter at all, it's purely cosmetic stuff.

Rivers did like an eating out animation on me during the sex scene even tho I have a benis.

 

[Terenty]

I don't think so.
Kerry needs male voice + male body so I think Panam is the same.

What about Judy?

Female body + female voice. Dunno if genitals count.

So what i've been busting my ass for nothing? noone wants my penis #2 wtf

 

[oneself]

On a different note,

Spoiler

Given that Johnny taking over is a Theseus' ship sort of situation, wouldn't it be possible that letting Johnny take over the body would nonetheless mean that V's stream of consciousness is preserved? Johnny himself (and Victor) mentioned early on that your two personalities were becoming intertwined, so giving him your body seems more to be the case of a person with multiple personality disorder discarding his original personality in favor of the second one.

I don't believe it is a Theseus ship situation. The final stage seems pretty abrupt.

It might be abrupt, but it's still a change of software (basically deleting the original OS all at once rather than continuing to slowly uninstall it) rather than of hardware.

I prefer the angle from a narrative/lore perspective rather than the philosophical one.

It would not be consistent story wise for this process to not be comparable to death. Both Johnny and Misty tells you during various part of the game that with each passing second we are coming someone else. When discussing relic however there is this clear demarcation between the two.

 

[Heroic Liberator]

I don't think so.
Kerry needs male voice + male body so I think Panam is the same.

What about Judy?

Female body + female voice. Dunno if genitals count.

So what i've been busting my ass for nothing? noone wants my penis #2 wtf

Should've gone for a shemale and given Judy the D.

 

[racofer]

Someone finally asking the REAL questions: https://af.gog.com/forum/general/wh...ical_improvments_in_games/page1?as=1649904300

Every game now has some if not all of these "enhancements", which I immediately have to disable because of how fucked up they are. I still remember people going soy boy crazy with some of these in Skyrim with the many ENB mods, or how making everything darker at night in open world games (again, Skyrim, but this dates back to at least Morrowind) made it somehow "realistic" yet completely ignoring how your vision would work in the same situation.

 

[hivemind]

please don't use shemale it's an insensitive slur

if you don't comply

Spoiler

I will give you a wedgie in our shard soul prison

 

[Mefi]

Obviously, as it should be. If something is categorized as "sci-fi" it should contain both science and fiction, simple as that.


That's a highly ignorant comment. There was no such "backlash" in the 80's and there had been so many sci-fi movies as well as books, including Asimov's, that dealt with "stories of individuals" in dystopian worlds before and after BR. In fact, THX-1138 by George Lucas himself was one such movie. Cyberpunk is a superficial genre mostly focuses on style rather than substance, that's why people consider BR's dark streets with neon lights as a major "inspiration" for it, it wasn't a "backlash" for anything.


That's a highly nonspecific description which certainly is inadequate when defining a genre. Is Minority Report, for instance, a "cyberpunk" movie? Never heard anyone claim that but it certainly deals with the exact thing you described.

You really haven't a clue here. Yes, cyberpunk was a backlash against mainstream SF. I'd suggest reading interviews with Moebius from the mid-70s onwards and Gibson from any point from the early 80s. Sterling is also a really good guide to the development of cyberpunk as a genre. But you keep doing old man shouts at cloud.

 

[Heroic Liberator]

On a different note,

Spoiler

Given that Johnny taking over is a Theseus' ship sort of situation, wouldn't it be possible that letting Johnny take over the body would nonetheless mean that V's stream of consciousness is preserved? Johnny himself (and Victor) mentioned early on that your two personalities were becoming intertwined, so giving him your body seems more to be the case of a person with multiple personality disorder discarding his original personality in favor of the second one.

I don't believe it is a Theseus ship situation. The final stage seems pretty abrupt.

It might be abrupt, but it's still a change of software (basically deleting the original OS all at once rather than continuing to slowly uninstall it) rather than of hardware.

I prefer the angle from a narrative/lore perspective rather than the philosophical one.

It would not be consistent story wise for this process to not be comparable to death. Both Johnny and Misty tells you during various part of the game that with each passing second we are coming someone else. When discussing relic, there is this clear demarcation.

From a narrative perspective, I agree. Issue is that it kind of ruins my sense of immersion when those details aren't taken into account.

And on that note, unless you're playing your V as a literal Johnny fanboy (which you can't really do anyway beyond having your V often agree with Johnny's remarks), sacrificing the little time that you have left for Johnny is a poor ending narrativewise.

 

[hivemind]

tbh he is a charming fella

 

[kangaxx]

Female body + female voice. Dunno if genitals count.

I don't think genitals matter at all, it's purely cosmetic stuff.

Rivers did like an eating out animation on me during the sex scene even tho I have a benis.

River is obviously gay though. My playthrough was as a straight male, and he pretty much flirted outrageously. Particularly during the jambalaya scene. Gay af.

 

[hivemind]

y and panam flirted with me

they literally just didn't care to check for it before the actual final romance quests lol

 

[Heroic Liberator]

tbh he is a charming fella

Agreed, but the narrative makes that ending feel contrived. I guess it was retained from the previous stage of development in which you had to choose a childhood hero which might've had narrative ramifications akin to the lifepath.