CD Projekt's Cyberpunk 2077 Update 2.0 + Phantom Liberty Expansion Thread

[Owlish]

Panam romance is well done also but V hasn't yet closed the deal. In fact he's been simping like a motherfucker and not really getting anywhere -- maybe that's why it feels so real.

Treat them with respect, they're not vending machines for sex.

Have you ever had sex even once that wasn't a pity fuck from some friend zone bitch you know or you having to pay for it? You reek of soy numale manlet. I imagine your beta herb aura repels girls like garlic with a fucking vampire.

The Angry Incel Detector™ is working admirably.

You're "romancing" video game characters rofl, stfu

 

[Grampy_Bone]

Tech sniper rifles are annoying

You need to use all the tools the game gives you. Ping + tech sniper = shoot all enemies inside the building from across the street.

 

[Keshik]

I had a hilarious bug where my character still had a revolver in her hand. Sure made the sex scene...interesting. Who knew V was that kinky.

Spoiler

Alas no, looked more like V was inserting the revolver into Judy who liked it. Shame I can't reproduce and film that, was damn funny.

 

[Owlish]

Uhm. I just wanted to race cars.

What does that tidbit of information and forced scene add to anything in any way?

 

[MadMaxHellfire]

This is fashion police! Put your hands above your head and get OUT of the stairs RIGHT NOW!

I think I have found the only acceptable look in the game

(also have the Bruce Lee/Kill Bill yellow jumper but this one is more unique)

ALSO this sucky game is NOT an RPG and CDPR even stopped marketing it as such. It's an action adventure game. Even with rather low expectations this game was a massive disappointment.

and then people started calling you "the stig"?

 

[Twiglard]

What does that tidbit of information and forced scene add to anything in any way?

At least they got the tranny ripperdoc correct ideogically, but he's more of a degenerate than tranny. I was pretty surprised they portrayed him as such.

 

[TNO]

Coming out of retirement to give a short capsule review (I understand Konjad will have this covered).

Tl;dr: I got the sense the game has its heart in the right place, and it deserves a lot of credit re. story telling. The gameplay also sometimes comes together well. However, its a buggy poorly-balanced mess, and anyone who was expecting it to be 'Deus Ex meets Fallout:New Vegas' is going to be very disappointed. I think it has a lot in common with Alpha Protocol: superlative in some places, bad in others, and the whole doesn't always equal the sum of its parts.

Story:

• Maybe this owes a lot to the source material, but I think the world-building is very good. The game tells a lot of interesting 'mini stories' (even in throwaway 'gig missions') are worth savouring. Night City isn't as suffused with stuff compared to (e.g.) DXD's Prague, but there's a lot of high-quality narrative content knitted into it.
• Although 'gritty' 'dark' 'mature' usually mean 'trying too hard edgelord', I think the game mostly nails it. Some character deaths, story beats around the ending, and some of the melancholy around Johnny and co. 'after they were famous' are very well done. Although I gather some gaming journos have whined about various aspects, I think how the game manages 'mature' content is praiseworthy, whether it is nudity, sexuality, graphic violence, suicide, and extended side-quest involving delving into the experiences of seriously deranged abductor. The game does a minor key mood much better than any other AAA title I can think of.
• Characterisation is excellent. Although bit parts are underdeveloped, writing typically shows a lot. One pleasing aspect is you get a good sense of characters having agency beyond handmaidens to the protagonist.
• The core story is more interesting than many other generic cyberpunk set ups, and the game often takes the less beaten path with story telling in side quests. Doesn't always work (e.g. the 'on the clock' bit of the main quest jars with the open world aspects), but kudos to a big-budget developer taking risks.

Look sound and feel:

• The game looks great, but I wasn't blown away. I think the graphics are only eye-popping for those who have a high-spec gaming rig bought in the last year or two.
• Keanu Reeves (an actor for whatever his strengths is not renowned for his delivery, and typically plays fairly stoic protagonists) cast to VA a hard-living rebel and rockstar goes as well as you'd expect. His performance is notably worse than the (generally excellent) VA, and it's a problem as his character gets a lot of screen time.

Gameplay

• Cyberware is pretty meh, and you get less interesting options than (e.g.) the DX games. A lot of the slots are fairly boring passives, and the active abilities are a small subset of what we've seen before.
• Hacking is sorta cool to start with (e.g. hacking a camera to look at something you can hack in turn, scope the joint), but a lot of it is fairly boring 'spellcasting' (press tab and select spell to win!).
• At its best, the open environments do give DX-y moments of emergent gameplay. One gig involved a nice series of threading your way to the objective with a mix of skill checks, environmental navigation and hacking your way in and out with data 'heist movie style', and one assassination had me scoping a joint, finding the target on camera, then opening a nearby hatch and finding a vantage point to snipe them from.
• Unfortunately, the game is horribly balanced - it doesn't have to be perfect as a singleplayer game, but it does have to be good enough so players can't break it without even trying. I inadvertently got more out the game than most by playing a 'hybrid' (and very poorly optimised) build, so didn't become cybergod until the late middle game, but thinking 'I'm gonna try and be stealthy and strike from the shadows with my pistol' still quickly got me to the point I could one tap everything in the game. Because of the terrible AI which when alerted simply stalks around very slowly looking around, my previous careful stealthing just became walking around the map headshotting everyone (even if an enemy was looking right at me in the open meters away my stealth stat meant I had enough time to headshot them before they could raise the alarm).
• Youtube gives you even more broken things: 500k+ damage alpha strikes; netrunner builds that can kill all the enemies from the map in seconds without moving; stacking armour so high you're essentially invincible, lots of crafting cycles to get unbounded money, and so on.
• The looter shooter + level scaling is generally unenjoyable, and alongside limited hacking and stealth mechanics makes we worry there's a not a great ceiling to gameplay even if someone does the developers job for them and makes a rebalance mod.

QA:

• I got off lightly re. the bugs judging by the media firestorm, but it still detracted a lot from the game. (e.g. I probably would have been more wowed with the graphics without bizarre glitches/ lots of headlights in the distance even when on near-deserted country roads, and so on).

Overall:

• I enjoyed playing, but I wanted to like the game a lot more. Sometimes it all comes together beautifully in a nice gig, a good character arc, or a breathtaking vista. But too often playing it felt like a chore - weighing up whether I could be bothered to nerf myself to play a mission 'properly' versus several of the easy options available to me, tedious inventory management, etc. For codexers who really liked New Vegas and the nu-DXs, who want a game which does similar things (albeit not often as well) with impressive storytelling, it is worth a shot. The rest should probably wait for the price to drop and the mods to develop.

 

[Konjad]

Decided I won't bother with CP'77 review. It's a 5/10, and so forgettable I would have already forgottn about it if not for some screenshots i see here and there posted by others. Also, CDP does not deserve more coverage, their shit gets advertised everywhere, even fucking techpowerup.com that doesn't deal with games posts every shit about cyberscam

 

[Slaver1]

They're being sued. It started guys, grab the popcorn.

Spoiler

Or not.

Interesting how complete clusterfuck games like Anthem, Fallout 76 etc do not end up in lawsuits. Cyberpunk sold 13mil right? Regardless of bugs that seems pretty much like success.

Its almost like the "Establishment" wants to take an opportunity to kick the shit out of CDPR while they are down.

Zenimax was privately owned during that debacle, so no scammed investors, just consumers. And Anthem looked like a regular flop.
I assume we may have a few hints at insider trade here with CP77, or in other words, some of the owners may have profited a lot from the drop in stock price, which poses a few questions worth asking.

Well its not just the law suits, its the complete rabid dog-piling from pretty much everyone, media/YT/gamers/normies. I in fact would love to see the people in charge of decision making at CDPR, the ones who fucked the game during the previous 8 years, get raked over the coals. Alas I fear that is unlikely to happen.

The pile-on from the Sony centric games media/Resetera against CDPR has been disgusting to watch. It started a while back with prominent ratman Jason Schrier crying very selectively about "crunch" at CDPR . Sadly CDPR manageme dropped the ball and we have to watch these worms go to town feverishly deconstructing CDPR with the same ferocity they fellate Naughty Dog with.

 

[GewuerzKahn]

What does that tidbit of information and forced scene add to anything in any way?

At least they got the tranny ripperdoc correct ideogically, but he's more of a degenerate than tranny. I was pretty surprised they portrayed him as such.

And you can beat him up!

 

[DalekFlay]

The game looks great, but I wasn't blown away. I think the graphics are only eye-popping for those who have a high-spec gaming rig bought in the last year or two.

When you turn it down to medium or low it loses a lot of its visual splendor for sure. I dicked around with doing that to get over 60fps or ray tracing but it just harms the visuals way too much. Especially SSR, which looks grainy, full of artifacts and awful on any setting below high (ultra preferably). Problem is, without DLSS the high and ultra settings are impossible to run and get 60fps with at 1440p. So I think a lot of AMD and nVidia pre-2000 series owners are getting screwed in that regard. With DLSS on "quality" the game goes from a slideshow at ultra to 60fps pretty much locked, it's crazy. To get 60fps at native 1440p I'd have to play on the medium preset, which looks like garbage compared. So I can see why people without DLSS are pissed and unimpressed.

 

[DeepOcean]

My problem with this game is that all of this is useless even on very hard, the game has that retarded Witcher level scaling, meaning, if you reach a higher enough level, you are immortal and if your level is too low, random street trash take more bullets than a Terminator and all your build, that you did, that pales in comparison with the bonus from leveling. This level scaling seems to have a much bigger impact than your stats. What is the point of killing a dude with single hit with 2000 damage or 200.000 damage? Man, that is what you get with the youtube and media tards that kept fellating Witcher 3 non-stop and made CDPR think they are good game designers.

Since I love the setting and enjoy the core gameplay loop despite its issues, I really do look forward to what kind of rebalance mods might come out for this. I tend to bounce off those a lot of the time because they make shit annoying rather than difficult because they're made by autists, but a good one could do wonders for this game.

The challenge here is find a modder that isnt an autist animu fan.

 

[Turjan]

So I can see why people without DLSS are pissed and unimpressed.

One advantage of having a 9 year old computer is that I don't even get the idea of being pissed about the graphics I see.

 

[Robber Baron]

The challenge here is find a modder that isnt an autist animu fan.

There got to be at least one among 13 million right

 

[502]

All BD segments and the story cutscenes could use a skip button in consequent runs.

Spoiler

 

[Doktor Best]

Aww, the romance sequence with Judy is really sweet, with quite an imaginative and beautiful preamble. My female character seems to have drifted into having a lesbian relationship with Judy without trying, the little minx.

Somebody mentioned Detroit: Being Human above. I didn't actually play that but I found myself intrigued by Christopher Odd's playthrough so I know it fairly well. It does seem to have good C&C but my god are the themes shallow and trite (or rather, treated shallowly and tritely) compared to this game's. Even though I don't think BDs and Engrams are actually possible, they're still a wonderful philosophical thought-experiment to play with.

Ontology V, ontology.

I had a hilarious bug where my character still had a revolver in her hand. Sure made the sex scene...interesting. Who knew V was that kinky.

Talked with a friend of my brother yesterday. He had an opposite bug during the Mealstorm mission - he pulled a gun on Royce, but for some reason had no guns in gun slots, which made his hand to be empty. So he threatened Royce with an empty hand. And then he chose an option to pull the trigger... killed the guy with an imaginary gun

Thats a feature not a bug you idiot. If your cool stat is high enough and you fingergun people they will die out of respect.

You guys moan about the lack of RPG elements but you cant even recognize those laid out in front of your eyes. SAD.

 

[Yosharian]

I turned on raytracing and could barely tell the difference

 

[|NOVVAK|]

I turned on raytracing and could barely tell the difference

I depends on a location. In some locations you can barely see the difference, in others a lot (Afterlife bar).

 

[Yosharian]

I turned on raytracing and could barely tell the difference

I depends on a location. In some locations you can barely see the difference, in others a lot (Afterlife bar).

Yes. But. It's still halving my FPS even in the locations where I can't tell the difference.

Do you see the problem

 

[|NOVVAK|]

I turned on raytracing and could barely tell the difference

I depends on a location. In some locations you can barely see the difference, in others a lot (Afterlife bar).

Yes. But. It's still halving my FPS even in the locations where I can't tell the difference.

Do you see the problem

That's why I have it turned off and only occasionally turned on. Good thing that turning rtx on/off is instant (it would be nice if you could bind it to a shortcut).

 

[DeepOcean]

Every time I see an youtuber "reviewer" saying crafting is useless, just reaffirms my conviction that those "reviewer" youtubers must be chemically castrated for the good of humanity. You need crafting to...

My problem with this game is that all of this is useless even on very hard.

First you call reviewers retards for saying that crafting is useless. Then you proceed to explain how crafting is indeed useless because of level scaling. So wtf are you talking about?

Level scaling is only automatic for enemy health, armor and damage, your guns need to be upgraded to keep with your level and that involves crafting unless you are happy with only using blue quality weapons and keep replacing them with frequency what isnt viable to do with legendaries and legendaries unlock alot of op shit.

 

[GentlemanCthulhu]

Why is this thread in the RPG section? It seems like nobody except Codex thinks it's an RPG. Not even the devs themselves.

 

[|NOVVAK|]

Why is this thread in the RPG section? It seems like nobody except Codex thinks it's an RPG. Not even the devs themselves.

It's in "CD Projekt Red" section...

 

[GentlemanCthulhu]

Why is this thread in the RPG section? It seems like nobody except Codex thinks it's an RPG. Not even the devs themselves.

It's in "CD Projekt Red" section...

>RPG Discussion>General RPG Discussion>RPG Developers>CD Projekt Red

That's even worse considering they've never made an RPG before.

 

[AwesomeButton]

>RPG Discussion>General RPG Discussion>RPG Developers>CD Projekt Red

That's even worse considering they've never made an RPG before.