CD Projekt's Cyberpunk 2077 Update 2.0 + Phantom Liberty Expansion Thread

[Lord of Riva]

Maybe it picks up afterwards...?

Nah, not really I did not feel much of an emotional Impact after that. *shrug*

 

[Turjan]

I swear there is about like 20 or so guns in the game. Rest are just reskins with different PAYDAY2 decals. I've had quite a bit of fun with the game anyways. I was surprised by the quality of the ACT 1: Prologue, Jackie was a neat character that grew on me after a while.

Hot take: when Jackie

Spoiler

dies

the game becomes a lot less interesting from a story perspective, for me. I actually shed a manly tear for my bro. I was pretty much bored by everything that happened after that (played up to halfway thru act 2 before I uninstalled).

Maybe it picks up afterwards...?

I think Jackie is exactly impactful because of what you hid in spoilers. You only have memories of having a close friendship. The weird thing in Act2 is that every aspect takes place on its own planet. I did that Panam quest line early, ending in what the game claims to be some relationship (I think), but she won't interact with you or the other relationships that make up your life. Same with the River story arch: he also has this "best bro" potential, but after the arc is done, it's done. At the moment, I'm dealing with Judy, but that will be similar, I guess. I haven't had many dealings with Goro Takemura yet, except a meeting at a food place, and he's been waiting at the docks for weeks now. I guess his popularity comes from people grasping for straws.

I have the same feeling when I go to the bars in this game. Everyone on the pic is their own planet. No interaction.

 

[DeepOcean]

In fact this game should be a breeze to do a 'no perk' run.

Invest no perk, just grab the latest blue weapon that dropped from the dumpster and is on your level, there you are, win the game, that is the magic of level scaling for you. The difference between a no optimized build and a super optimized build is that instead of taking 2 mins to kill them, you will take 45 seconds. This shit trivializes the whole progression mechanic from the game that is already really limited to begin with.

It is so obvious they used the system they plan to use on their microtransaction trap of a MMO on the single player version to not have to design two different systems.

 

[Turjan]

In fact this game should be a breeze to do a 'no perk' run.

Invest no perk, just grab the latest blue weapon that dropped from the dumpster and is on your level, there you are, win the game, that is the magic of level scaling for you. The difference between a no optimized build and a super optimized build is that instead of taking 2 mins to kill them, you will take 45 seconds. This shit trivializes the whole progression mechanic from the game that is already really limited to begin with.

It is so obvious they used the system they plan to use on their microtransaction trap of a MMO on the single player version to not have to design two different systems.

I didn't try that specifically, but I can still use a melee weapon and simply clobber enemies to death, and that with Body 3 and no melee perks.

 

[TheHeroOfTime]

 

[InD_ImaginE]

I didn't try that specifically, but I can still use a melee weapon and simply clobber enemies to death, and that with Body 3 and no melee perks.

The only perks are good for are stealth and hacking.

If you just go in and shoot/smash faces you literally need 0 combat perks and just use whatever equipment you have.

If you get hit by something hard you can just spam the potions. They are cheap and within the first 10 hours you probably already got 200 of them there is no reason to save them. At least Witcher 3 tried to limit potion spam through the toxicity mechanic however limited it is.

Because the AI is fucking dumb you can cheese and bait them one by one into a shotgun blast anyway.

 

[gurugeorge]

Welp, finally finished it at about 60 hours. I still hold to my half-way estimation of just over 6/10 as it stands, probably around 8/10 if/when finished and polished.

Overall there's more good than bad, but only just; and while it has some real flashes of brilliance and deep immersion here and there in both story and virtual world realization, and even in some of the bread and butter gameplay, it's just too unfinished and wonky in too many areas to get a stellar score as it stands. Whether it ever will get the completion it deserves or whether CDPR will ultimately just patch up the worst bugs, call it a day and move on to the next game, is anybody's guess.

Watching in the credits the army of people who've been involved in one way or another, one can't help but reflect wistfully on what could have been. So close in many ways, yet so far ...

 

[Darkwind]

Another awesome YT video full of incredibly interesting content. 26 seconds of my life I will never get back from you idiots making this comically long game thread just a little longer because let's go for 500 pages! Pro Tip- flipping a pistol around awkwardly & slowly while dropping a magazine can be done by a bike helmet wearing window licking paint chip eating 10 year old retard. I realize you've never touched a firearm in your life so wouldn't know this, but I'm here to help... <3 <3

Here is one I really like too, check it out, it reminds me of you Silent Youtube Linkers and that video in particular.

 

[DalekFlay]

The only perks are good for are stealth and hacking.

If you just go in and shoot/smash faces you literally need 0 combat perks and just use whatever equipment you have.

If you get hit by something hard you can just spam the potions. They are cheap and within the first 10 hours you probably already got 200 of them there is no reason to save them. At least Witcher 3 tried to limit potion spam through the toxicity mechanic however limited it is.

I'd agree with this IF you health spam. Obviously the game allows you to so there's no real reason not to, but if you refrain from using health potions constantly then you can die pretty easily on hard difficulty if you're running around like an idiot. When my stealth chick gets caught she can die in one or two shots, and when my action man doesn't last a hell of a lot longer. However yeah, if you just keep mashing 'X' while fighting then you'll be invincible. First thing a rebalance mod should do is put those on a cooldown or something.

 

[Cpt. Dallas]

It's fun to play for what it is. I don't expect art house cinema from MCU capeshit, and I don't expect complex C&C or a bug free AAA multiplatform release from a publicly traded company.
As long as games like Disco, AoD and AtomRPG or fan mods like FO: Resurrection/Nevada/Sonoma exist, I'm happy enough. Nu-Obsidian and Bethesda can suck a dick though.

With the Tune Up perk, an option to bulk convert would be nice. I think I had over 10K in common parts. And a confirm dialogue if trashing Iconics.

Goro >> Jackie.

 

[Gerrard]

They're being sued. It started guys, grab the popcorn.

Spoiler

Or not.

Interesting how complete clusterfuck games like Anthem, Fallout 76 etc do not end up in lawsuits. Cyberpunk sold 13mil right? Regardless of bugs that seems pretty much like success.

Its almost like the "Establishment" wants to take an opportunity to kick the shit out of CDPR while they are down.

Yeah dude, looks like a success.

 

[Hellion]

The stock will bounce back, as it did back when the game was originally delayed in the spring. Its sales are a more concrete indication of its success or failure, and 13+ million units, even on just the PC, is by no means a number that indicates a failed game.

 

[Gerrard]

The stock will bounce back, as it did back when the game was originally delayed in the spring. Its sales are a more concrete indication of its success or failure, and 13+ million units, even on just the PC, is by no means a number that indicates a failed game.

The stock did not drop because the game was delayed in spring. That was a market crash.

 

[InD_ImaginE]

The stock will bounce back, as it did back when the game was originally delayed in the spring. Its sales are a more concrete indication of its success or failure, and 13+ million units, even on just the PC, is by no means a number that indicates a failed game.

The stock did not drop because the game was delayed in spring. That was a market crash.

Nah it will recover. Whether to the high before CP2077 is another question tho.

Right now investor confidence in the company is understandably low. After much delays, the game still runs like shit on 2 main consoles (and you don't really expect people to adopt PS 5 or XBONE X fast until late Q2 next year I presume) to the point that digital storefront delisting your product.

This also means that for the whole year CDP has been "This time for sure it's ready and it will run great on last-gen console! Don't worry it's all guchi" for it to blow up in their and investors' face. Right now I think some of the investors is making class action lawsuit as well because it seems CDP management are not clearly informing the state of the game (https://www.resetera.com/threads/ro...action-lawsuit-against-cd-projekt-s-a.350260/).

While TW 2 and 3 launch has been mired with bugs it was not to the point that the game being delisted in major digital storefront (Playstation) and basically have your product unconditionally accepted for a refund because it runs like shit and is a buggy mess on both consoles. This is even worse for CDP which is infamous for its long dev cycle. Up to TW 3 people and investor are willing to wait for the big "payout" namely a good game (and good sales for the investors). Cyberpunk fuck all that confidence into oblivion and it is questionable that this practice will be tolerable in the future.

 

[Robber Baron]

Be careful, maggot! I think you'll have an accident soon.

 

[gurugeorge]

This is even worse for CDP which is infamous for its long dev cycle. Up to TW 3 people and investor are willing to wait for the big "payout" namely a good game (and good sales for the investors). Cyberpunk fuck all that confidence into oblivion and it is questionable that this practice will be tolerable in the future.

Yeah I think this is the main thing about the stocks. I mean, if you look at it long-term (look at a 5 year graph), CDPR's stocks have dipped big before, but always climbed back. They may not be the best devs in th world, but they do make popular games with a particular house style of storytelling.

This game is at least a solid financial success so CDPR as a company isn't going going to disappear; I think the difference this time, as you say, will be that investors will be looking for better management. By all accounts, basically CDPR bumbled along for years relying on good-will and burning out eager developers with a crappy management style and a haphazard development style (where they've regularly binned many months of work and restarted). That's what they won't be able to get away with any more in the future (if the investors are sufficiently concerned).

Isn't it the same old story? The kinds of people who are good at starting small companies are not always the kinds of people who are good at running big companies, and they eventually get replaced. Initiating is a different game from sustaining.

 

[Grampy_Bone]

Panam storyline is trash, typical Stronk Female M-Rey Sue bullshit.

-Panam is kicked out of Nomads for being too reckless and not a team player
-Proceeds to get numerous Nomads killed for being reckless and not a team player
-Learns nothing of this, blames everyone but herself, and inexplicably earns loyalty of more Nomads
-Player forced to continually validate her, never call her out or put her in her place
-Gets the Nomads in more trouble with the gangs and pisses off a major corp.
-Never learns any lessons or shows any self-reflection on her behavior
-Saul does complete 180 for no reason, decides she's the best Nomad ever, puts her in charge and literally no one disagrees.
-Universally loved by everyone.

If you liked her character or found her romance engaging you should consider getting your T-levels checked. Srsly.

 

[Robber Baron]

If you liked her character or found her romance engaging you should consider getting your T-levels checked. Srsly.

I agree, at least Judy was cute in a retarded way

 

[ADULF HITLOR FAN KLUB]

Panam storyline is trash, typical Stronk Female M-Rey Sue bullshit. (...) If you liked her character or found her romance engaging you should consider getting your T-levels checked. Srsly.

 

[Yoomazir]

Panam storyline is trash, typical Stronk Female M-Rey Sue bullshit.

-Panam is kicked out of Nomads for being too reckless and not a team player
-Proceeds to get numerous Nomads killed for being reckless and not a team player
-Learns nothing of this, blames everyone but herself, and inexplicably earns loyalty of more Nomads
-Player forced to continually validate her, never call her out or put her in her place
-Gets the Nomads in more trouble with the gangs and pisses off a major corp.
-Never learns any lessons or shows any self-reflection on her behavior
-Saul does complete 180 for no reason, decides she's the best Nomad ever, puts her in charge and literally no one disagrees.
-Universally loved by everyone.

If you liked her character or found her romance engaging you should consider getting your T-levels checked. Srsly.

I meaaan, you're right, but you don't have a lot of options when it comes to mating presses. Granted there's the 2 only available joytoys, but it's pretty much guaranteed that the entire NC straight male population must had a run on them at least twice.
Panaam's pussy is the freshest thing you can find in the entire game and while I'm a firm advocate of "don't dip in crazy" I'd say desperate times require desperate measures.

 

[Robber Baron]

I'd say desperate times require desperate measures.

Amorous Adventures for Cyberpunk when?

 

[Turjan]

Panam storyline is trash, typical Stronk Female M-Rey Sue bullshit.

-Panam is kicked out of Nomads for being too reckless and not a team player
-Proceeds to get numerous Nomads killed for being reckless and not a team player
-Learns nothing of this, blames everyone but herself, and inexplicably earns loyalty of more Nomads
-Player forced to continually validate her, never call her out or put her in her place
-Gets the Nomads in more trouble with the gangs and pisses off a major corp.
-Never learns any lessons or shows any self-reflection on her behavior
-Saul does complete 180 for no reason, decides she's the best Nomad ever, puts her in charge and literally no one disagrees.
-Universally loved by everyone.

If you liked her character or found her romance engaging you should consider getting your T-levels checked. Srsly.

Conveniently forgets that all the veterans are on her side and that Saul wants to sell out the family to a major corporation. If you want to know why Saul makes that complete 180, then because he recognizes the first part and, simply, because her plan succeeded. And frankly, he doesn't have any other choice at that point, given his own plans are now dead in the water. The point that she successfully managed to deflect the responsibility for the attack onto their main adversaries is icing on the cake.

Whether you want to live your life with that woman is a different question. I'd say, in real life, probably no. Not that the game gives you many options.

 

[DalekFlay]

Right now investor confidence in the company is understandably low. After much delays, the game still runs like shit on 2 main consoles (and you don't really expect people to adopt PS 5 or XBONE X fast until late Q2 next year I presume) to the point that digital storefront delisting your product.

I think the delisting is what hurts them the most, along with Xbox extended refunds, and I think the main reason both those things happened was the stupid press release by CDP telling people to return the game if they want. I don't know if that was a fuck up based on not understanding standard refund policies or what, but that's what made Sony and Microsoft shove it up their ass like they did. According to Digital Foundry there were games that ran just as badly as the PS3 and Xbox 360 at the end of their life cycles like Far Cry 3 and Crysis 3, and those companies just stuck their fingers in their ears and weathered the storm. CDP could have probably gotten away with doing the same, especially since the PC version is pretty solid and even after refunds they sold 13 million copies.

 

[OctavianRomulus]

I just finished the game. I got a bit heated but I still think it's overrated. I liked the traversal system, the weapon sounds, the verticality and the endings.

Without taking the bugs into consideration it's a 7/10 for me. Just above average. I would wait for a sale if I were you.

It's not as good as Witcher 3 was at launch and even that had its problems. I hope they will learn from this experience.

 

[Tyrr]

When you start Panam's quest, she is working on her car. The only thing you see is her butt.
Next in her quest you have to follow her, carrying a crate (to make sure you walk behind her).

Well played cdpr.