CD Projekt's Cyberpunk 2077 Update 2.0 + Phantom Liberty Expansion Thread

[Danikas]

Nice bit of foreshadowing I started my game as nomad and this was on my first car.

and this is what we see in mikoshi at the end.

Alt also recites a part of “The Love Song of J. Alfred Prufrock,” poem wonder what's the significance of that.

"Let us go, through certain half-deserted streets, The muttering retreats Of restless nights in one-night cheap hotels And sawdust restaurants with oyster-shells: Streets that follow like a tedious argument Of insidious intent To lead you to an overwhelming question. . . . Oh, do not ask, "What is it?" Let us go and make our visit."

 

[Danikas]

There are only two aspects of Cyberpunk 2077 that are done well: the urban environment exteriors and the fashion clothing selection.

You are underselling the good aspects of the game not only exteriors are done well, interiors are also done very good with every place you visit during quests feeling unique. Then you have great soundtrack (both the original score and the songs that play on the radio and there is good selection of various music genres so everybody can find radio station that suits them). Art direction and presentation are also top notch with very good dialogue animations. You also have a good cast of characters with interesting storylines just wish there was more meaty side quests.

All other aspects of the game range from mediocre to terrible. And that's assuming the player isn't using a PS4/X-BoxWhatever last generation console and isn't experiencing too many glitches or game-breaking bugs.

The only real terrible aspects are:
-Non existent traffic and police AI
-Shitty loot and crafting system
-Glitches and broken perks
-Shitty pedestrian AI

But this should come to no suprise to anyone who played other Cdpr games.

 

[Fedora Master]

^^^
The Radios are all shitty zoomer music and have no soul to them because there's no DJs.
Character builds are nonexistent and you can easily finish the game without investing a single point anywhere because equipment always trumps stats.


Over a month of waiting for a nothingburger of a patch lmao
Dead game

 

[Danikas]

The Radios are all shitty zoomer music

Even the Jazz station?

 

[Gregz]

https://www.npr.org/2017/05/31/530235165/total-failure-the-worlds-worst-video-game

Within a year of E.T.'s release, the entire video game industry collapsed.

...

Warshaw took a much more exciting approach to game design. At a time when graphics were primitive and in-game plots were nonexistent, he pushed to make his games feel more like movies.

 

[Turjan]

Nice bit of foreshadowing I started my game as nomad and this was on my first car.
...
Alt also recites a part of “The Love Song of J. Alfred Prufrock,” poem wonder what's the significance of that.

She will recite "Sailing to Byzantium" by William Butler Yeats instead of T. S. Eliot if you come as Johnny. Quite a fitting change.

 

[rusty_shackleford]

Since CP2077 any flat shit with 3 men and 2 horses onscreen will never satistfy anybody.

lmao. you clearly haven't seen/played RDR2, when shit hits the fan RDR2 can boast probably bigger gunfights than CP77 with NPCs having much better AI. Valentine, Saint Dennis etc also ain't no ghost towns, they are crowded af at certain times of the day.

GTAV running on PS3 and 360 was programing magic, CP77 on PS4 and Xbone should'a been easier job compared to that, especially with how stripped off features the state it released in.

I didn't finish it, but RDR2 was incredibly impressive at nearly every level.
I remember sitting Arthur down to play blackjack and the amount of detail they put into a minigame was more than some devs put into their entire game. Spent hours just roaming around hunting and fishing.

Wasn't a fan of the main campaign but damn if it isn't the single best open world game I've ever touched. They could have just sold it as Authentic Cowboy Simulator.

And it was one of the most well optimized games I've played in years despite looking better than pretty much anything else I've ever played.

 

[rusty_shackleford]

I ruled out Int standing for integer because the integer limit for a possible value is way too high in order to be reached in game: https://www.tutorialspoint.com/cplusplus/cpp_data_types.htm (-2147483648 to 2147483647)

And also, the limitation Kev spoke about is a character level limitation, not intelligence limitation.

This gif summarizes everything wrong with developers, not the QA.
Imagine being angry because someone didn't complete something exactly the way you asked but still got to the goal anyways.

 

[Turjan]

Much of Night City itself is brilliantly designed, with stunning cyberpunk vistas, as long as it's night-time or raining, but the developers, in their brilliance, set daytime to last for 18 hours and the weather to almost always be clear (I think the occasional rain and even rarer fog is initiated by reaching certain stages in certain quests).

While I definitely agree about the nights being too short and that rain could be used more often, rain isn't tied to quests, like you suggest. It's just rare. I had been playing only side content for a long period of time, and rain happened from time to time. If I'd take a guess, they toned that down because of their performance issues. Rain drags that down in most games I know.

 

[AwesomeButton]

This gif summarizes everything wrong with developers, not the QA.
Imagine being angry because someone didn't complete something exactly the way you asked but still got to the goal anyways.

It's a great analogy for CP77's gameplay as well - a bunch of perk trees and weapon choices and in the end silenced pistol + some sneaking solves every problem.

 

[GloomFrost]

So, this is the 'big' january update? They could have called it 1.07 for what it fixes (even less than 1.04). Also:


They were running out of stuff to fix so they're now concentrating on small details

Maybe they're running out of stuff they can fix, that is a pretty disturbing thought. Modders are our last hope, again.

Decided to give it another shot after that big 1.1 patch and...... I honestly think it just added even more bugs. Like i had a firefight with some bandit, kept shooting him right in the head and he literally kept completely ignoring me. Never seen a bug like that before. Haven't noticed any performance improvement either. I might be wrong of course but people who think that couple more "big patches" like that and some minor free DLCs are going to fix this mess in the next couple of months are kidding themselves.

Continuing with saved games after patching isn't ideal, how do you know that the bugs you get aren't caused by not starting a fresh game? Usually it's not necessary, but this is CDPR.

Are you honestly suggesting starting a new game after every single big patch. Thanx but no thanx I d rather not touch that polish turd ever again. There are plenty of great cyberpunk and/or open world games out there.

 

[KVVRR]

I ruled out Int standing for integer because the integer limit for a possible value is way too high in order to be reached in game: https://www.tutorialspoint.com/cplusplus/cpp_data_types.htm (-2147483648 to 2147483647)

And also, the limitation Kev spoke about is a character level limitation, not intelligence limitation.

This gif summarizes everything wrong with developers, not the QA.
Imagine being angry because someone didn't complete something exactly the way you asked but still got to the goal anyways.

Did you seriously complain about this just after praising rdr2 for being impressive at every single level

 

[Fedora Master]

HOW DARE YOU try and avoid our carefully scripted and voiced totally-not-a-cutscene?!

 

[Justicar]

I ruled out Int standing for integer because the integer limit for a possible value is way too high in order to be reached in game: https://www.tutorialspoint.com/cplusplus/cpp_data_types.htm (-2147483648 to 2147483647)

And also, the limitation Kev spoke about is a character level limitation, not intelligence limitation.

This gif summarizes everything wrong with developers, not the QA.
Imagine being angry because someone didn't complete something exactly the way you asked but still got to the goal anyways.

Did you seriously complain about this just after praising rdr2 for being impressive at every single level

Open world game where every mission turns into linear scripted sequence where you cant move even few meters away out of your rail or you will fail the mission yep BEST OPEN WORLD GAEM EVA SUPER GOOD USE OF OPEN WORLD.

 

[Zeriel]

For whatever reason, modern game devs love doing that. Create big open worlds, then make the story completely linear and disconnected from the gameplay, instead of matching it to the format of the game.

Cyberpunk is actually a great example of this disconnect: it would be natural to make the story revolve around gigs and rising up as a mercenary, instead they immediately throw you into an "epic" linear narrative that throws all that out the window, and the thing in the UI that tracks your "legend" status is not determined by how many gigs you complete, or even your systemic street cred level, but specific main story missions that take a few minutes to complete.

It's incredibly ironic that BG2, a linear RPG from two decades ago that wasn't even trying to do an open world game, had a more open chapter 2 in terms of the narrative, where you are given the mission to raise X amount of money by doing whatever content you want. They could have used that format for Cyberpunk and it would have fit the design of the world and setting like a glove, but nope, instead you get forced celebrity cameo, the storyline.

For what it's worth I think this applies to most open world games, the most fun you have in AC Valhalla for instance is when the story is about bettering yourself and your camp, when it goes back to le epic linear narrative it bleeds out.

 

[msxyz]

This is interesting:

https://forums.cdprojektred.com/index.php?threads/is-this-why-the-ai-is-bugged.11076569/

The non-existent AI in the game is due to a deliberate choice to use a limited set of packages instead of complex behavior trees. This is the reason why NPCs only react to some actions and in a very predictable manner.

 

[user]

And I was right about that last 1-month delay being a desperation delay. The game didn't manage to keep me interested. And by the looks of it, it seems it has already been widely forgotten. Let's hope it serves as another cautionary tale, as this will definitely hurt the company, even if the game was largely profitable. Btw where's the RDR2 thread? I thought this was an rpg discussion.

 

[Mefi]

While I definitely agree about the nights being too short and that rain could be used more often, rain isn't tied to quests, like you suggest. It's just rare. I had been playing only side content for a long period of time, and rain happened from time to time. If I'd take a guess, they toned that down because of their performance issues. Rain drags that down in most games I know.

You're right but there are quests (and places) which also trigger rain. If you're doing photo mode and want night time rain then that hotel with the Bladerunner easter egg up top will always trigger it. It was possible to glitch it out so it would rain all the time but not tried that yet with 1.1. There are a couple of other weather effects which I'm not sure are glitches or not, because they're so poorly done, there's a yellow fog effect and a red one. They're even rarer than rain and seem to be half-assed attempts to do some sort of pollution smog and sandstorm.

 

[Justicar]

Not Recommended
112.2 hrs last two weeks / 503.1 hrs on record
Posted: 24 Jan @ 8:00pm
Updated: 24 Jan @ 8:12pm

Buggy mess, shallow, empty. best example of Capitalism driven by marketing that doesnt know jack about the product they are pushing.
cash money is all that matter to the detriment of consumers.

https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198095906218/recommended/1091500/

 

[Danikas]

had a more open chapter 2 in terms of the narrative, where you are given the mission to raise X amount of money by doing whatever content you want

Funny you mention that, main quest mission with panam called Ghost town requires you to pay Rogue 15k to even start it.

 

[Quillon]

For whatever reason, modern game devs love doing that. Create big open worlds, then make the story completely linear and disconnected from the gameplay, instead of matching it to the format of the game.

this, my biggest gripe with the game. I can understand RDR2 doing it since R* never claimed the game to be an RPG but while expecting more loose narrative from CP77 than Witchers, we got even more linear one. but your average joe is like

-I felt satisfied with the amount of control over V, would’ve preferred a Courier type silent protagonist, but I felt I had a good amount of choices in defining how he felt. Really liked the mission where you could define V’s religious beliefs

they are satisfied with V; a semi-custom character who is even more defined than Geralt. and this is just the character, we all know how linear the story is.

also defining V's religious views doesn't matter, it never comes up later, its effectively your views that the game doesn't care; if something's coming up more than once in the story it is fucking defined, write the world's greatest side quest but if there is no reactivity for it later, your RPG sucks.

 

[Caim]

For whatever reason, modern game devs love doing that. Create big open worlds, then make the story completely linear and disconnected from the gameplay, instead of matching it to the format of the game.

Size matters not, it's the density. For example, GTA V has a pretty big map but most of the action takes place in Los Santos and the town where Trevor lives. A number of the other locations are only visited once or twice, and vast swathes of the map including several landmarks including the prison are just... kinda there. Maybe they were expanded upon in GTA Online, but for the main game they're irrelevant.

 

[Zeriel]

had a more open chapter 2 in terms of the narrative, where you are given the mission to raise X amount of money by doing whatever content you want

Funny you mention that, main quest mission with panam called Ghost town requires you to pay Rogue 15k to even start it.

Yeah, that's a thing they do. But 15k is a joke, you make that much in 20 minutes. Comparing that to BG2 would be more like 300k or something, and even then it's not a good comparison because making money in Cyberpunk is way easier, you can just create it out of air using crafting and vending machine. To be a parallel to BG2 chapter 2, Cyberpunk would have to have an overarching mission that lets you choose to do like a dozen regular missions and then it progresses. But that quest isn't even really an overarching one either, it's just "give me 15k to go to next mission".

 

[typical user]

TBH I expected the main story of the game to be like this:

Prolog: For Streetkid you have to deal with guards in the garage, steal the car and then the cops track and catch you. Meet Jackie in the pen. Corpo, Jackie calls a friend, he comes to Lizzie's, points you into some gang hideout to clean it out, once you get back, Arasaka bozos jump you. Didn't play Nomad but it is the most fleshed out intro from all three I've heard. Then have the montage be an actual gameplay. Jackie shows you different bars/clubs in town and the game teaches you these places are where you can find fixers who can give you work - compared to current skype-calls in an age where anyone can trace your phone or fry your brain if you jack-in to breached access-point. Your objective is to earn enough money to move-out from Jackie's place.

Act 1: You start with buying yourself apartment. Your current objective is to increase Street Cred until you get a job from Wakako to rescue Sandra Dorsett. Afterwards you need to again farm for Street Cred until Jackie calls you about Dex asking for your services. You get the spider-bot quest in meat factory. Afterwards you gain access to Afterlife with remaining fixers. Again increase the street cred by doing some jobs for Dex and others in town until DeShawn offers you to be part of the heist crew.

Act 2: Do work for different gangs, do favor or two for Militech, Kang-Tao or whatever to get the crew/intel/disguises for the heist. The game should measure how many gangers you killed from rival groups. How many favors you will get will mean greater chance of succes for the heist.

Act 3: If you succeed with the heist you have to find the chip. If you fail you get Johnny in your head. Either way you will have to find out where Evelyn Parker is and get in touch with Hanako. The city goes into lockdown after the heist, corpo-borgs start patrolling the streets and attack you on sight, all side-content is locked. The finale is to again ask for more favors to assault Arasaka tower and overthrow Yorinobou or blow it up with Johnny. You choose if you stick with the plan or not. Your remaining support and your decisions determine if you and your companions survive or die. I would change the narrative from 'chip is killing you, get it out asap' to 'how much you synchronize with Johnny increases your chance of merging and remembering yourself instead of him taking control permamently'.

Guess that was the initial story for the game. I believe current Act 2 and 3 were supposed to be Silverhand DLC and he was a cliff-hanger for one of the endings where Dex shoots you in the head. The game could easily be about pulling off the heist itself. Also seeing how 'The Hwangbo' glitch with quest-characters following you practically anywhere I gotta ask why Flathead was cut. Maybe someone in CDPR wanted it to be the drone to hack stuff remotely as a netrunner like we currently do in the heist itself. The bot cloaking abilities could explain disappearing or rubber-banding if it got lost from slow path-finding.

EDIT: The Street Cred farming could also leave a room for future DLCs, like put more hand-crafted quests which increase your rep instead of doing copy-pasted get here - kill - exit gigs.

 

[Gerrard]

I ruled out Int standing for integer because the integer limit for a possible value is way too high in order to be reached in game: https://www.tutorialspoint.com/cplusplus/cpp_data_types.htm (-2147483648 to 2147483647)

And also, the limitation Kev spoke about is a character level limitation, not intelligence limitation.

This gif summarizes everything wrong with developers, not the QA.
Imagine being angry because someone didn't complete something exactly the way you asked but still got to the goal anyways.

Did you seriously complain about this just after praising rdr2 for being impressive at every single level

People reflexively hating it because of Bethesda are missing out on a good Fallout spinoff that's an actual RPG.

Non-plugin mods work.
It's still better than FO4 because it's an actual RPG.

Slowly went through the entirety of Morgantown to find every holotape and note. Took hours, found 28 in total. Did my typical trick of dropping cheap items(I bring corn/tatos grown from my camp) to remind myself if I've cleared a location or not.

One thing FO76 is sorely missing is a local map feature. No idea why they removed it.

"You're talking ABOUT A GAME in a thread about said game?! How dare you!"
just fucking ignore the thread

How is it pay-2-win if the game throws atoms at you when you do anything?

Still would be better than anything Cain or Boyarsky are capable of creating now.

This is interesting:

https://forums.cdprojektred.com/index.php?threads/is-this-why-the-ai-is-bugged.11076569/

The non-existent AI in the game is due to a deliberate choice to use a limited set of packages instead of complex behavior trees. This is the reason why NPCs only react to some actions and in a very predictable manner.

The non-existent AI in the game is due to the fact that the NPCs despawn the moment you turn around. Particle effects don't need AI.