CD Projekt's Cyberpunk 2077 Update 2.0 + Phantom Liberty Expansion Thread

[cvv]

Red Dead 2 numbers...They failed to meet this goal.

RDR2 sold 12 million copies in 3 days. CP sold 13 million in the first two weeks. So not exactly as good....but still pretty fucking good. And a gigantic step up from TW3. Meaning you're about 88% wrong.

 

[RRRrrr]

RDR2 sold 12 million copies in 3 days. CP sold 13 million in the first two weeks. So not exactly as good....but still pretty fucking good. And a gigantic step up from TW3. Meaning you're about 88% wrong.

12 million in 3 days (just on consoles) is a lot better than 13 million in 14 days on all platforms. If CP2077 sold 12 million copies on playstation/xbox, then they'd be comparable. You are the one comparing apples (console sales in 3 days) to oranges (sales across all platforms for 14 days). Meaning you are 99% wrong.

 

[Paul_cz]

Where did I say it was bad you retard. I said "not as well as THEY hoped". Are you too moronic to even read properly?

Your post was dumb, because you said this:

"They expected Red Dead Redemption 2 or GTA 5 level sales, yet failed to achieve even The Witcher 3 levels."

Meanwhile in reality, it sold vastly better than Witcher 3 did for the same period. Expecting a new game to reach same sales on launch as TW3 did over 6 years is...well, retarded. CDP board is not quite that retarded.

And you are comparing apples and oranges. RDR2 shipped (not sold through to customers, but shipped to stores, two different things) 17 million copies in two weeks. Sold-through number is not available.
Cyberpunk sold through - to end customers - 14 million in three weeks - hardly a catastrophe.

 

[RRRrrr]

Your post was dumb, because you said this:

Yep, retard confirmed. Welcome to my ignore list.

 

[Paul_cz]

Yep, retard confirmed. Welcome to my ignore list.

I rest my case. When out of arguments, there's always the echo chamber.

 

[J_C]

Your post was dumb, because you said this:

Yep, retard confirmed. Welcome to my ignore list.

He made a perfectly valid point and you put him on the ignore list? Get the fuck out of the codex you pussy.

 

[RRRrrr]

He made a perfectly valid point and you put him on the ignore list? Get the fuck out of the codex you pussy.

He made a point I addressed specifically in an earlier post on the very same page.

 

[Zer0wing]

No, that's the Codex Consensus, but Joe McCasual doesn't give a shit about progression systems or level design, he's just pissed off that he can't play taxi driver and that his decade-old PlebStation vomits the disc out. If it weren't for the performance-related problems, the general public would be jerking GOTY awards all over Cyberpunk.

PlebStation4 also vomits RDR2 and Fail4 while not being as visually dense but everyone tries to shrug this under the rug off now when Cyberpunk 2077 exists. Gameplay in CP2077 is so barebones and unpolished even the ordinary gamers are noticing it. Bugs actually helped to silence the outrage about gameplay. And those performance related issues are not going to go away because software engineers responsible for Red Engine 4 quit and the only staff these poles currently have are script kiddies messing with config files on consoles.

 

[mkultra]

because software engineers responsible for Red Engine 4 quit and the only staff these poles currently have are script kiddies messing with config files on consoles.

Source?

 

[Zer0wing]

I wish I saved the news article for this occasion but I didn't, so take it or call bullshit. But with counter-proofs.

 

[DeepOcean]

Guise, I hate Marcin and wish that a horse buttfucks him and other CDPR executives for: a) selling out to the "sophisticated beautiful people" soyboys of the west and b) for fraud and misleading marketing. However, I dont buy this idea of normies waking up to shit gameplay, Red Dead Redemption and GTA are much worse games than Cyberbug, Cyberbug feels like a real game in comparison to the overrated garbage that Rockstar produces and despite having much worse gameplay than Cyberbug, they still sell millions and millions of copies.

Just look to the reviews, most reviewers were pissed not because the combat was completely unbalanced and lacking polish, the perk system had completely broken with perks that didnt work and were boring as fuck, the loot and craft system looked unfinished, the hacking system was barebones, there was very little progression on the side jobs difficulty, the level design was unimaginative and boring, there was low variety on enemy types and etc... nope, their number one complain outside the bugs and cut content was that there weren't mini games and romances were shit, they dont wanna good gameplay, they wanna Arasaka Pachinko machines and invite Panam to bowling.

 

[Old Hans]

the loot and craft system looked unfinished

ive come to realize those guys have no idea how to do loots or crafting. From what I can see, It all started with Witcher 2.

 

[Justicar]

wever, I dont buy this idea of normies waking up to shit gameplay, Red Dead Redemption and GTA are much worse games than Cyberbug, Cyberbug feels like a real game in comparison to the overrated garbage that Rockstar produces and despite having much worse gameplay than Cyberbug, they still sell millions and millions of copies.

Be aware, that respawn involved doing 10+ minutes of the same slow ride including the “mini-game” where you fix a wheel of your cart.

 

[Paul_cz]

Be aware, that respawn involved doing 10+ minutes of the same slow ride including the “mini-game” where you fix a wheel of your cart.

I love RDR2 for many reasons, but it is undeniable that its reliance on fail states and extremely tight scripting in its missions is complete garbage, yes.

 

[typical user]

RDR2 is kinda weird, they've added shitton of stuff like animals, fishing, crafting, journal but didn't bother to make missions idiot-proof or branching out if player does something unexpected.

 

[Hellraiser]

wever, I dont buy this idea of normies waking up to shit gameplay, Red Dead Redemption and GTA are much worse games than Cyberbug, Cyberbug feels like a real game in comparison to the overrated garbage that Rockstar produces and despite having much worse gameplay than Cyberbug, they still sell millions and millions of copies.

Be aware, that respawn involved doing 10+ minutes of the same slow ride including the “mini-game” where you fix a wheel of your cart.

Seriously fuck the RDR2 mission design, fuck the immersion bullshit needlessly long animation wankery and fuck the story. They should have done San Andreas at the twilight of the XIXth century, instead they did some pretentious AAA circlejerk where the only likable thing was the hunting in the wilderness and the sandbox existed only to show eye-candy. I bet if current day Rockstar did a game about pirates, it would end up being some lame ass blowjob for drama writing majors or whatever writer-rejects study, torturing you with endless cut-scenes about how you let a boy drown or something during a raid.

 

[cvv]

Be aware, that respawn involved doing 10+ minutes of the same slow ride including the “mini-game” where you fix a wheel of your cart.

I love RDR2 for many reasons, but it is undeniable that its reliance on fail states and extremely tight scripting in its missions is complete garbage, yes.

AND the fact there are truckloads of mechanics and side activities of which NONE has any bearing on the main game whatsoever. Every single mechanics in the game is utterly cosmetic. Except shooting. You do need that.

 

[DeepOcean]

What is really ironic is that those Rockstar trash games are all about "immersiun" but if you turn your horse 10 degrees more than they want, you get a nice mission over screen and somehow, millions of people tolerate that shit and think that is immersiun for 20 years.

 

[Gerrard]

I love RDR2

Shocking.

 

[typical user]

What is really ironic is that those Rockstar trash games are all about "immersiun" but if you turn your horse 10 degrees more than they want, you get a nice mission over screen and somehow, millions of people tolerate that shit and think that is immersiun for 20 years.

They don't. Everyone is complaining about it but the game is still fire nonetheless.

CP2077 mission design is on the other hand rather bland. Like Ubi games where it doesn't really matter how you approach enemies. Somewhere along the development they've forgot RPGs can't be accessible and some options have to blocked, otherwise your skills, stats lose their value. Also CDPR level design in CP2077 is very basic from gameplay standpoint. Most of the locations only have one room acting as arena, all the optional entrances very often are placed next to each other and you are still exploring the same set of rooms. Not like there is a vent system, sewers or rooms placed only for stealth characters. Also you don't get any additional quests from overhearing characters talking to each-other, you don't get passwords for optional loot-rooms, there is no reputation system.

Eh, there are people praising CP2077 for the ability to play the game how they want, but this stuff was available in Bethesda games.

 

[Caim]

What is really ironic is that those Rockstar trash games are all about "immersiun" but if you turn your horse 10 degrees more than they want, you get a nice mission over screen and somehow, millions of people tolerate that shit and think that is immersiun for 20 years.

By contrast, in the Yakuza series you can put a lot of time into superfluous bullshit, but it does not take away from the core game that is grizzled professional criminals ripping their shirts off to show the elaborate tattoos on their backs, then smashing each other's heads in with bicycles. Plus, Kamurocho is small and you can do laps around it in a matter of minutes. But it's density is much greater than Los Santos, which is way more important in an open world game than the size of the map.

 

[RRRrrr]

I really don't understand why those Ubisoft quests are so popular-I hate those short, non fleshed out short "gigs". S.T.A.L.K.E.R. Shadow of Chernobyl and Clear Sky used to be like this-most side missions were "kill 10 dogs", "clear the mutant lair" etc. In Call of Pripyat, they added side missions that were designed well, and removed all filler content. It was for the better. Yes, the game was shorter because of this-but is it really worth it to have a long game with filler content?

I wish games stopped doing mass pointless filler quests and instead focused on making less, but more fleshed out and memorable quests. And completely dumping the filler.

 

[Wesp5]

Not like there is a vent system, sewers or rooms placed only for stealth characters.

And that|s good in my opinion because Deus Ex had made this the common stealth cliche which is completely unrealistic from an immersion point of view.

 

[Gargaune]

I wish games stopped doing mass pointless filler quests and instead focused on making less, but more fleshed out and memorable quests. And completely dumping the filler.

I just did the Corpo follow-up quest two days ago...

Spoiler

Was all like "ooh, sweet, I hope this intel leads me to a cool cloak-and-dagger mission so I can finally get revenge on the bitch who got me shitcanned." Fabulously optimistic. Drive to marker, press a button, dude appears and I can either shoot him or talk him down. Two minutes, done and done. They even got Reeves to record lines for this shit, talk about judicious budgeting.

Fuck's sake, CDPR.

 

[RRRrrr]

I just did the Corpo follow-up quest two days ago...

Spoiler

Was all like "ooh, sweet, I hope this intel leads me to a cool cloak-and-dagger mission so I can finally get revenge on the bitch who got me shitcanned." Fabulously optimistic. Drive to marker, press a button, dude appears and I can either shoot him or talk him down. Two minutes, done and done. They even got Reeves to record lines for this shit, talk about judicious budgeting.

Fuck's sake, CDPR.

It seems however that retards like this shit. In the case of CDP, I feel like a lot of effort was put into side content as a whole, but that effort is diluted by the sheer amount of quests. They made a large amount of arenas, wrote a lot of shards, even considered as a whole the side quests involve a lot of recorded dialogue...but each quest sucks and is too short. What is the point of having 400 minutes of dialogues in 200 quests when you can do 30-50 good quests with the same amount of resources?

However, after finishing a shitty side gig, the sense of accomplishment is so non-existant that you go to the next, and the next..and lose a lot of time. Maybe that is the point? Some basic psychology of addiction?