CD Projekt's Cyberpunk 2077 Update 2.0 + Phantom Liberty Expansion Thread

[Trithne]

LVL req for weapons is SOFT req not hard req. You can use weapon from higher level and get same damage but your recoil will be much higher, reloading will be slower, special functions will not work etc.

No? Wait, is that true? It can't be.

There's a few types of item restriction:

- Requires <stat> X. Saw this mostly on Cyberware, basically you can't equip it at all without the stat at the required value.

- Best effectiveness at <stat> X. Only seems to be on the big Revolvers and Shotguns, requiring a certain amount of Body to use properly. These work like the description above.

- Requires level X. I actually don't recall seeing any level restricted items when playing it recently, but definitely the first time around there were some. This is also a hard restriction.

 

[potatojohn]

LVL req for weapons is SOFT req not hard req. You can use weapon from higher level and get same damage but your recoil will be much higher, reloading will be slower, special functions will not work etc.

No? Wait, is that true? It can't be.

There's a few types of item restriction:

- Requires <stat> X. Saw this mostly on Cyberware, basically you can't equip it at all without the stat at the required value.

- Best effectiveness at <stat> X. Only seems to be on the big Revolvers and Shotguns, requiring a certain amount of Body to use properly. These work like the description above.

- Requires level X. I actually don't recall seeing any level restricted items when playing it recently, but definitely the first time around there were some. This is also a hard restriction.

Oh, ok, I thought I was going insane.

You can find lots of level req. items if you do hard or very hard missions or explore places like downtown at early levels.

 

[Bliblablubb]

LVL req for weapons is SOFT req not hard req. You can use weapon from higher level and get same damage but your recoil will be much higher, reloading will be slower, special functions will not work etc.

No? Wait, is that true? It can't be.

He is just confusing "level requirements" and "stat requirements" on weapons and cyberware.
For weapons, level requirements still mean "not useable until met". Stat requirements still mean "can use, but will kick you out of cover/crouch" or "can only walk when wielding". For cyberware, the stat req means "not useable until met". The NPCs dying offscreen during that one Watson cyberpsycho still drop lvl24 or so weapons, because the codemonkey just copy/pasted them from somewhere else without changing.
So... nothing has changed in that regard. The stat req value for the usual weapons increased tho, from 4/6 body to 10. Which makes sense, since everyone starts with THREE body, so needing a whooping FOUR body wasn't really that much of a hurdle.
Stat requirements for cyberware hasn't changed and is still a massively stupid design decision.

The last one is part of what worries me most for future CDPR games, because they apparently lost all knowledge of basic game mechanics and balancing, in favor of just heavy handed slapping on random numbers. Bethesda style. Sad.

 

[Perkel]

LVL req for weapons is SOFT req not hard req. You can use weapon from higher level and get same damage but your recoil will be much higher, reloading will be slower, special functions will not work etc.

No? Wait, is that true? It can't be.

He is just confusing "level requirements" and "stat requirements" on weapons and cyberware.
For weapons, level requirements still mean "not useable until met". Stat requirements still mean "can use, but will kick you out of cover/crouch" or "can only walk when wielding". For cyberware, the stat req means "not useable until met". The NPCs dying offscreen during that one Watson cyberpsycho still drop lvl24 or so weapons, because the codemonkey just copy/pasted them from somewhere else without changing.
So... nothing has changed in that regard. The stat req value for the usual weapons increased tho, from 4/6 body to 10. Which makes sense, since everyone starts with THREE body, so needing a whooping FOUR body wasn't really that much of a hurdle.
Stat requirements for cyberware hasn't changed and is still a massively stupid design decision.

The last one is part of what worries me most for future CDPR games, because they apparently lost all knowledge of basic game mechanics and balancing, in favor of just heavy handed slapping on random numbers. Bethesda style. Sad.

I can't confirm it personally but i watched video of a guy that was testing guns with various levels above his level and he could definitely use them. It is apparently 1.5 patch change. Vanilla game definitely had hard req.

And those guns were not known STR weapons but normal guns. They all behaved as those with STR reqs you didn't fulfill.

I mean if someone has it installed it is pretty easy to check. Just fire up game get weapon with higher lvl and try to equip. it.

 

[Wesp5]

I can't confirm it personally but i watched video of a guy that was testing guns with various levels above his level and he could definitely use them. It is apparently 1.5 patch change. Vanilla game definitely had hard req.

I would welcome such a change. It's quite illogical that you suddenly can't pull the trigger of a gun anymore because of some imaginary stat. That was one of the worst and annoying feature of System Shock 2 already!

 

[Clockwork Knight]

I mean if someone has it installed it is pretty easy to check. Just fire up game get weapon with higher lvl and try to equip. it.

Just tried to equip a level 16 Black Unicorn as a level 15 character (I upgraded it beyond my capabilities ), it won't let me and an "this action was blocked" notification shows up on the top of the screen. Same for armor. My character currently has too much STR to test the soft req but before that I tried to use the Burya revolver at my level with 4 STR and couldn't charge it. No mods so it's confirmed to be vanilla 1.5 behavior.

TL;DR
equipping weapons while underleveled = no
equipping weapons while understatted = yes

 

[Perkel]

imho level req doesn't make sense. Each weapon should have STR req. In world of cyberpunk where you have so many body mods it is only natural that some of the guns will have insane kick as those guns were prepared for body augs. Smart weapons would be a lot lower STR but depending on TECH stat how many enemies and how fast targeting would work as well as which critical points it would target. old tech weapons would be very powerful but at the same time they would be janky meaning they need constant work on them thus tech needed for repair rather than use. Naturally smart weapons would be augumented by netrunning like removing anti-smart weapon shielding, better accuracy and so on.

Unfortunutelly in current system weapons are too dumb.

 

[Fedora Master]

Dead.
Game.

 

[Gargaune]

I can't confirm it personally but i watched video of a guy that was testing guns with various levels above his level and he could definitely use them. It is apparently 1.5 patch change. Vanilla game definitely had hard req.

You sure that's not a bug in the latest hotfix? I've got the prior 1.5H1 version installed and I get "Action Blocked" if I try to equip items over my level. Could also be a mod, I guess.

P.S. From the original 1.5 patch notes:

The level requirement of melee weapons will now increase with each upgrade. Note: the level of upgraded melee weapons will be adjusted as a result of this change. The equipped items which exceed the level requirement can continue being used but, if unequipped, will have to wait until the required level is reached to be used again.

So yeah, it doesn't sound like removing hard level requirements for weapons was an intended change in 1.5.

 

[Bliblablubb]

Yeah, as others said already, when I tested 1.5 I got a "requirements not met" when trying to use weapons of higher level.
But it is Cyberbug77 we are talking about, so I don't doubt someone was able to use them anyway.

Even after more than a year of "fixing" things, the game is still so full of old (and new) bugs that will never get fixed.
The game is still a prime example that having far too many people working on the same things will be contraproductive if your team leads suck at communication/coordination. The game mechanics follow no clear line, at times it feels as if there were competing developers trying to push their vision over someone else's. Especially when they pull some hamfisted "rebalancing" in the patches, as they did e.g. for boxing.
The first opponent (the twins) get literally knocked out in one hit, despite them being much higher level as V. If you hit them while they are idle that is, because at the same time enemies now block 99% of your counter attacks, the only way you were able to beat them before.
Loaded an old save were V was lvl40 with monkey paws and tried the animals chick. Had to replay it 3 times, because she has her guard up all time AND blocks most if the counter attacks now, while killing you in 2 hits. Had to repeatedly strong attack her guard like an idiot until I knocked her over with a crit. Awsome rebalancing there CDPR...
Apparently one dev just lowered early opponent's hp, while the boxing dev was pissed people were only using counter attacks and not playing the way he wanted, so he "fixed" that.
Same way they "rebalanced" car prices, so players would use other cars then before. Except most of them are undriveable because the car dev had an unchecked hardcore simulation fetish.
The Toyota Corolla Mitsu Shion apparently has rear wheels made of ice covered in oil. Even the slightest movement at low speeds makes your rear go off into the scenery. And the V Quadra still has no grip with his 50 cm wide tires and a constant scream of the rev limiter. Who aside from that dev likes that?

Seriously, before CDPR does anything new, they need stronk leaders who slap the pipedreams out of those devs and bring them back in line.
When you allow them to pursue a "clutch simulation" for cars (as stated in the patch notes), I am not surprised this game became such a clusterfuck.
Very sad.

 

[Bliblablubb]

Also, I don't know if it was mentioned here before, but there is also an NPC called "Songbird" in the base game files.
She has 3 unique casual outfits, a netrunner outfit, a party dress, a "date outfit" and a halloween costume. But is not used anywhere.
Unless she is meant for an upcoming DLC, maybe a heist in that unifished casino location, the amount of manhours wasted on her is amazing.

 

[Yosharian]

Also, I don't know if it was mentioned here before, but there is also an NPC called "Songbird" in the base game files.
She has 3 unique casual outfits, a netrunner outfit, a party dress, a "date outfit" and a halloween costume. But is not used anywhere.
Unless she is meant for an upcoming DLC, maybe a heist in that unifished casino location, the amount of manhours wasted on her is amazing.

Is this her?

Spoiler

 

[Arbiter]

Also, I don't know if it was mentioned here before, but there is also an NPC called "Songbird" in the base game files.
She has 3 unique casual outfits, a netrunner outfit, a party dress, a "date outfit" and a halloween costume. But is not used anywhere.
Unless she is meant for an upcoming DLC, maybe a heist in that unifished casino location, the amount of manhours wasted on her is amazing.

So CDP has resources to create unused models, but they do not have resources to fix glaring defects.

 

[Yosharian]

Also, I don't know if it was mentioned here before, but there is also an NPC called "Songbird" in the base game files.
She has 3 unique casual outfits, a netrunner outfit, a party dress, a "date outfit" and a halloween costume. But is not used anywhere.
Unless she is meant for an upcoming DLC, maybe a heist in that unifished casino location, the amount of manhours wasted on her is amazing.

So CDP has resources to create unused models, but they do not have resources to fix glaring defects.

Let's not forget they went to the trouble of voice-acting the entire Judy romance correctly and then decided not to bother creating any male-specific animations for it. Literally all they had to do to enable an entirely new romance for male V's with the hottest character in the game was animate a few intimate scenes. Nah, couldn't be bothered to do that.

 

[Arbiter]

Also, I don't know if it was mentioned here before, but there is also an NPC called "Songbird" in the base game files.
She has 3 unique casual outfits, a netrunner outfit, a party dress, a "date outfit" and a halloween costume. But is not used anywhere.
Unless she is meant for an upcoming DLC, maybe a heist in that unifished casino location, the amount of manhours wasted on her is amazing.

So CDP has resources to create unused models, but they do not have resources to fix glaring defects.

Let's not forget they went to the trouble of voice-acting the entire Judy romance correctly and then decided not to bother creating any male-specific animations for it. Literally all they had to do to enable an entirely new romance for male V's with the hottest character in the game was animate a few intimate scenes. Nah, couldn't be bothered to do that.

And players end up downloading gigabytes of useless data. If CDP cannot even automate the process of only bundling used data with the game, how can they hope to deliver a breakthrough title?

 

[Gargaune]

Judy [...] the hottest character in the game

 

[Yosharian]

Judy [...] the hottest character in the game

Name someone hotter? I get it if you dislike tats or whatever, or if her asymmetric hairstyle gives you PTSD, but she is objectively quite pretty

 

[T.Ashpool]

Name someone hotter?

yeah i know the us cracks song is garbage but who cares

 

[Gargaune]

Name someone hotter? I get it if you dislike tats or whatever, or if her asymmetric hairstyle gives you PTSD, but she is objectively quite pretty

She's fine, a nice girl you could meet in any mundane supermarket... or rather would be, if not for her awful tattoos and ghastly sense of fashion, yes. Not that Panam's wrench-jockey style's any better. Hell, your "clean cut" option is Meredith fucking Stout of all people. As for hotter? Evelyn's got the femme fatale thing down and Misty was a sweetheart, half expected the game to pull a Jaheira, and then there's that fancy joytoy you unlock in Kerry's questline.

But this is sad, we're plumbing new depths with this discussion... Cyberpunk 2077 really is the Johnny Silverhand game - he's got bombshell Alt, and V's gotta pick between a junk scavenger and a literal basement dweller.

 

[Yosharian]

Name someone hotter? I get it if you dislike tats or whatever, or if her asymmetric hairstyle gives you PTSD, but she is objectively quite pretty

She's fine, a nice girl you could meet in any mundane supermarket... or rather would be, if not for her awful tattoos and ghastly sense of fashion, yes. Not that Panam's wrench-jockey style's any better. Hell, your "clean cut" option is Meredith fucking Stout of all people. As for hotter? Evelyn's got the femme fatale thing down and Misty was a sweetheart, half expected the game to pull a Jaheira, and then there's that fancy joytoy you unlock in Kerry's questline.

But this is sad, we're plumbing new depths with this discussion... Cyberpunk 2077 really is the Johnny Silverhand game - he's got bombshell Alt, and V's gotta pick between a junk scavenger and a literal basement dweller.

Interesting, I think Alt has this 'porn star that's hit the wall' look to her that's really unattractive. I think Judy looks very nice but I guess some people dislike her look. Panam is honestly rather unattractive to me. Though she has a nice ass obviously.

 

[Bliblablubb]

Name someone hotter?

Cheri Nowlin, the receptionist from Clouds, is IMHO the best looking female NPC in the game. Liz Peralez gets 2nd place from me, especially when I still had to play on "low" settings and she looked at least 10 years younger.

Name someone hotter? I get it if you dislike tats or whatever, or if her asymmetric hairstyle gives you PTSD, but she is objectively quite pretty

She's fine, a nice girl you could meet in any mundane supermarket... or rather would be, if not for her awful tattoos and ghastly sense of fashion, yes. Not that Panam's wrench-jockey style's any better. Hell, your "clean cut" option is Meredith fucking Stout of all people. As for hotter? Evelyn's got the femme fatale thing down and Misty was a sweetheart, half expected the game to pull a Jaheira, and then there's that fancy joytoy you unlock in Kerry's questline.

But this is sad, we're plumbing new depths with this discussion... Cyberpunk 2077 really is the Johnny Silverhand game - he's got bombshell Alt, and V's gotta pick between a junk scavenger and a literal basement dweller.

I agree Evelyn's first appearance and the whole femme fatale was sooo well done, it gave me high hopes for the game. But we all know how it turned out.

Judy is kinda sorta cute, but she turned out to be a crazy stalker psycho, who will ditch you the moment you don't run away with her to fabulously {{{safe spez}}} Oregon. What pissed me off about her tats howeever is: CDPR couldn't be arsed to make proper art for her, a main character, instead they just stamped the same fucking rose at least 5 times on her to fill her up. I already noticed that during trailers and thought it was temp thing, but no, that was final. How lazy as an artist can you be?

Panam is... well, she has a nice backside. Aside from that, a dev modeling her after that chick from McGuyver he has the hots for is beyond creepy. Seriously. That's a new level of stalking.

River is simply the worst written character I have seen for a long time. CDPR does apparently not know the difference between "idealistic" and "lawful stupid". He behaves like an entitled little 14 yo kid. When his partner moved the mayor's corpse into his home, because having a heart attack in a cat house is not what he deserved to be remembered by, River's first thought is to rat him out to internal affairs. No wonder he has no friends, he would probably make sure his collegues pay every speed ticket they get. And his romance made me blow the virtual rape whistle.

Nah, my V sticks to the occasional hooker encounter on JigJig Street. Despite having a de facto monopoly, she only costs 100 eddies, that's... only two and a half buritos actually. Best deal!

 

[Wulfric Pinewood]

In next gen version, there will be even more penis customization! At least ! You can make women with 2 meter dong between legs! Only on PS5 and XSeriesX , and strong enough PCs. MAKE YOUR PENIS a 2meters long DONG today !

 

[Yosharian]

Yeah actually Evelyn is well put-together. It's a shame nothing happens with that particular character.

 

[Mikeal]

Well there are some braindances on black market.

 

[Comrade Goby]

Us Cracks song is best in the game