CD Projekt's Cyberpunk 2077 Update 2.0 + Phantom Liberty Expansion Thread

[RobotSquirrel]

Wondering if Cyberpunk IP is stuck with CDK or Pondsmith signed a contract where he could whore it to oblivion? Hope the latter so we could get more games rolling.

CDPR acquired the existing Cyberpunk 2020 franchise from R. Talsorian Games with a view to maximise the potential for further franchise development. Although it is, as of now, quite early in the lifecycle of the initial product, let alone the updated franchise, we are already seeing CDPR begin to leverage the IP in this manner.

https://www.wipo.int/edocs/mdocs/mdocs/en/wipo_smes_ge_20/wipo_smes_ge_20_p3.pdf

the gist is, pondsmith can only make traditional RPGs in Cyberpunk going forward, CDPR owns everything else.

 

[Grunker]

Lol, I'm done. A pathetic 60 hours - that's with PC idle time, me doing every single gig (not worth the time, don't do it), and every single side mission (there are almost none - to the extend that I thought the game was joking when it told me I had reached the point of no return). That's compared to 100 hours in Witcher 3 (without the DLCs) and me doing very few question marks. I suspect the reduction in time is simply there being so little worthwhile content. I spent probably a third of my playtime doing all the gigs - it took me a saturday.

Game is... bad. Gameplay is better than the Witcher 3, but it's still mediocre, and besides that, there's really nothing worthwhile to experience here. I liked the prologue/first five hours, and there are bits of good writing (I liked the ending I got, for instance, it was melancholic without being corny and very, very Cyberpunk - almost horror-like in its abysmal projection). Nothing really offended me - things that many people list like Johnny being annoying or too little background reactivity, I didn't mind. Everything is decently written so I never found myself getting that annoyed at anything.

But nothing except the city itself stands out as particularly worthwhile experiencing considering what you have to do to get there. Take the writing for example - it's proficient, it can even be emotional, or tense, but there are so few surprises, and where The Witcher always had some twist or substance that the story was supposed to deliver, there's none in this game. Stories just happen, and everything is more or less exactly what it looks like at any point. And definetely no attempt at reaching higher levels than just telling a story about a sequence of events happening. No point to it, really. I mean, you're walking around with a political terrorist in your head, and... he really hasn't got anything to say about politics except "corps bad." And not even in a cliched rebel-without-a-cause way. It's just a line he touts once or twice. Johnny's lack of any deeper convictions is emblematic of every character and story in the whole game more less (there are exceptions, like Judy's storyline), in that there are simply too few stakes and too little going on behind the surface motivations of characters and events.

The game could have worked, with more focus on side quests, reactivity and more boldness in the writing. As it is, it's just an empty bag of air with a pleasant, surface-level smell.

A damned shame is what this game is.

 

[Takamori]

Wondering if Cyberpunk IP is stuck with CDK or Pondsmith signed a contract where he could whore it to oblivion? Hope the latter so we could get more games rolling.

CDPR acquired the existing Cyberpunk 2020 franchise from R. Talsorian Games with a view to maximise the potential for further franchise development. Although it is, as of now, quite early in the lifecycle of the initial product, let alone the updated franchise, we are already seeing CDPR begin to leverage the IP in this manner.

https://www.wipo.int/edocs/mdocs/mdocs/en/wipo_smes_ge_20/wipo_smes_ge_20_p3.pdf

the gist is, pondsmith can only make traditional RPGs in Cyberpunk going forward, CDPR owns everything else.

Well shit, hope these retards see the influx of players in CP2077 and use basic logic and see there is demand for the fucking product. But given the current timeline we live in, we are fucked.

 

[Tuco Benedicto Pacifico]

Game is... bad. Gameplay is better than the Witcher 3, but it's still mediocre

I think you are already giving it too much credit.
I'm in no way a fan of TW3's gameplay, but I would still rate it above CP2077 for the mere fact that it has some resemblance of "form" and coherence and it doesn't come off as aggressively bad like the latter.
A shooter where shooting feels awful, AI behavior is nowhere near to be seen and where hits don't have proper feedback is inexcusable in my book.

 

[Tyrr]

Game is... bad. Gameplay is better than the Witcher 3, but it's still mediocre

I think you are already giving it too much credit.
I'm in no way a fan of TW3's gameplay, but I would still rate it above CP2077 for the mere fact that it has some resemblance of "form" and coherence and it doesn't come off as aggressively bad like the latter.
A shooter where shooting feels awful and where hits don't have proper feedback is inexcusable in my book.

Gameplay is Borderlands style. Same bullet sponge, especially on higher difficulty level. Even the loot system.
I also prefer to see my character in a RPG, but that is personal taste.

 

[Grunker]

Didn't experience bullet sponging on Very Hard. Enemies died in 1 or 2 hits

 

[Clockwork Knight]

Whan now codextards game died and flopped hard?

Why does player count matter? That doesn't determine the quality of a game, merely how much it sold, and we all know worse games have sold even more than this, so using sales metrics to somehow tell off people is absolutely fucking retarded.

It is, but this is the response you get when people use the sales metrics to post

DEAD FUCKING GAME

Writing isn't this games biggest problem. Dead game

They have to do whatever they can to keep the illusion up this isn't a DEAD GAME

Codextards are just dissecting the dead horse.

Dead game. Get over it and move on.

for months. Now that the players spiked, the argument went back to "well it's shit anyway".

 

[Tyrr]

Didn't experience bullet sponging on Very Hard. Enemies died in 1 or 2 hits

Maybe you were overleveled? Or they did something with the later patches.

Now that the players spiked, the argument went back to "well it's shit anyway".

Well, it WAS dead. Just look at the graph. And it didn't went up after some patch that improved the game, but after an An1me. The game didn't changed much, if you didn't liked it 12 months ago, you don't like it now.
It will be interesting to see if the new people stay. Or if the graph will go down again, like it did a few weeks after release.

 

[Takamori]

Game is... bad. Gameplay is better than the Witcher 3, but it's still mediocre

I think you are already giving it too much credit.
I'm in no way a fan of TW3's gameplay, but I would still rate it above CP2077 for the mere fact that it has some resemblance of "form" and coherence and it doesn't come off as aggressively bad like the latter.
A shooter where shooting feels awful, AI behavior is nowhere near to be seen and where hits don't have proper feedback is inexcusable in my book.

I rate TW3 above CP2077 due to not having that odd feeling of shit being half done, they had a vision and went for it. CP2077 you notice they cut a lot of shit because they wanted to redo the game several times because their leadership is pants on head retarded and changed stuff according to what was happening at X moment inside the company.

 

[Grunker]

Witcher 3 is much, much better. I was talking about the core gameplay only.

 

[Takamori]

If you take in consideration the loop indeed, at least my remembrance of TW3 me using the Bear set and flooding heavy attacks and calling a day, I imagine that the build that had most difference in playstyle was the sign build?
At least CP2077 things change a little based on the weapon and approach you choose. But its kinda overshadowed by the excessive...lets call it "ubisoft approach" on missions, they are there just to have things too shoot instead of having an X issue and be able to solve it with whatever build you are going for or what the quest itself presents and parameters of success. And as Tuco mentioned before the AI being retarded and not aggressive enough really don't help at all.

The shooting not feeling well I blame the borderlands design on guns and armor. Instead of using the fucking Tabletop game as reference they decided to go for that atrocious design of le epic gun instead of using the brands quality and lore on guns that was extensively done and skewed by the original source material.

 

[racofer]

Whan now codextards game died and flopped hard?

Shazambros! ... I-I don't feel so g-good....

 

[GamingConnoisseur]

What mods do you guys use? Here's my modlist:
https://www.nexusmods.com/cyberpunk2077/mods/5312?tab=posts - makes weapons more realistic (realistic rate of fire for handguns, Malorian has a 20 body requirement as it should, but it also fires faster, some ARs like that Militech AR has a faster fire rate)
https://www.nexusmods.com/cyberpunk2077/mods/5402 - realistic damage for vehicles
https://www.nexusmods.com/cyberpunk2077/mods/3023 - E3 2018 hud. Looks a lot nicer on the eyes since it has less contrasting colors.
https://www.nexusmods.com/cyberpunk2077/mods/4378 - better craftings. Lets you choose a skin for weapons, so it helps with a roleplaying aspect a little.

 

[Takamori]

I'm trying to find a mod where it let you craft all the damn clothing in the game, I look like a damn clown even with the new wardrobe. Rather just craft what I wanna use and call it a day with my Techie guy

 

[Grunker]

I'm trying to find a mod where it let you craft all the damn clothing in the game, I look like a damn clown even with the new wardrobe. Rather just craft what I wanna use and call it a day with my Techie guy

Just buy the stuff you want

 

[lukaszek]

buying is expensive. Also upgrading through crafting of existing pieces also gets more expensive with each upgrade <- this one is possibly THE most retarded cp77 feature.
At first I thought that there is some cost function on lvl difference between item and yours, but no. If you find some nice unique item early on and upgrade it every level, you wont be able to keep up eventually. Upping the tier resets it.

 

[Takamori]

Found a good mod.
https://www.nexusmods.com/cyberpunk2077/mods/5124?tab=description

Every clothing you pick up you get the recipe to craft it, so you still need to acquire an item and don't magically cheat your way in. And the best part it doesn't conflict with enhanced crafting

 

[Crispy]

me doing every single gig... every single side mission

Game is... bad.

 

[Wesp5]

I'm trying to find a mod where it let you craft all the damn clothing in the game, I look like a damn clown even with the new wardrobe.

I used a mod that made it possible to unplug any armor mods and use them elsewhere, I mean why would they make them one-time-use only? Some of the mods even have a plug visible in their icon!

 

[PorkyThePaladin]

Had a couple of woke moments in CP2077 yesterday:

Spoiler

1. Learned that Claire, the chick that you do race missions with, used to be a man apparently. She casually dropped this tidbit while telling me about her former husband.

2. Was doing a final mission with River Phoenix, and it started getting all friendly and shit, and I am so paranoid from all this shit in recent games, I am just sitting there and overthinking every single dialogue line. One wrong choice and he could be fucking me in the ass in the next cutsene. Finally selected the "friends" option at some point and he gave me a gun. I exited walking backwards, just in case.

 

[Takamori]

Had a couple of woke moments in CP2077 yesterday:

Spoiler

1. Learned that Claire, the chick that you do race missions with, used to be a man apparently. She casually dropped this tidbit while telling me about her former husband.

2. Was doing a final mission with River Phoenix, and it started getting all friendly and shit, and I am so paranoid from all this shit in recent games, I am just sitting there and overthinking every single dialogue line. One wrong choice and he could be fucking me in the ass in the next cutsene. Finally selected the "friends" option at some point and he gave me a gun. I exited walking backwards, just in case.

With how biotech and implants is advanced in CP2077 that becomes a non issue. If you felt like you made a mistake you just shove a Mr. Stud in place and call it a day

 

[Gargaune]

I used a mod that made it possible to unplug any armor mods and use them elsewhere, I mean why would they make them one-time-use only?

To aid the MMO-style conveyor belt itemisation. Don't ask questions, just consume purple item and get excited for next purple item.

 

[Dadd]

Had a couple of woke moments in CP2077 yesterday:

Spoiler

1. Learned that Claire, the chick that you do race missions with, used to be a man apparently. She casually dropped this tidbit while telling me about her former husband.

2. Was doing a final mission with River Phoenix, and it started getting all friendly and shit, and I am so paranoid from all this shit in recent games, I am just sitting there and overthinking every single dialogue line. One wrong choice and he could be fucking me in the ass in the next cutsene. Finally selected the "friends" option at some point and he gave me a gun. I exited walking backwards, just in case.

With how biotech and implants is advanced in CP2077 that becomes a non issue. If you felt like you made a mistake you just shove a Mr. Stud in place and call it a day

That's not how it will ever work.

 

[GamingConnoisseur]

Had a couple of woke moments in CP2077 yesterday:

Spoiler

1. Learned that Claire, the chick that you do race missions with, used to be a man apparently. She casually dropped this tidbit while telling me about her former husband.

2. Was doing a final mission with River Phoenix, and it started getting all friendly and shit, and I am so paranoid from all this shit in recent games, I am just sitting there and overthinking every single dialogue line. One wrong choice and he could be fucking me in the ass in the next cutsene. Finally selected the "friends" option at some point and he gave me a gun. I exited walking backwards, just in case.

All the writers in the game dev these days are left wingers (probably slightly less in Poland), so none of this is really surprising. Despite that I wouldn't call CDPR a woke company as a whole like many do. They seem to have libertarian aproach to things, as Paweł Sasko (quest writer) said that they accept people with varied political views at the studio. After all Poland is the most religious country in Europe (and perhaps the second most religious one after USA in the entire west), so by excluding certain people with more conservative views they would lose out on a lot of local talent. And just to visualize things a little - among zoomers in Poland the most popular party right now are these nationalists that are allied with libertarians - so CDPR by acting too woke they would lose out on all this potential talent.
It's funny how CDPR on one side are called a bunch of woke progressives, but on the other side any discussion of CDPR's products is completely banned from ResetEra, and many leftists on Twitter detest them as well.

 

[Takamori]

Had a couple of woke moments in CP2077 yesterday:

Spoiler

1. Learned that Claire, the chick that you do race missions with, used to be a man apparently. She casually dropped this tidbit while telling me about her former husband.

2. Was doing a final mission with River Phoenix, and it started getting all friendly and shit, and I am so paranoid from all this shit in recent games, I am just sitting there and overthinking every single dialogue line. One wrong choice and he could be fucking me in the ass in the next cutsene. Finally selected the "friends" option at some point and he gave me a gun. I exited walking backwards, just in case.

With how biotech and implants is advanced in CP2077 that becomes a non issue. If you felt like you made a mistake you just shove a Mr. Stud in place and call it a day

That's not how it will ever work.

Not discussing how its gonna be on rl, talking about the setting. Unless you wanna talk about usb ports shoved in brain and not fucking you up in the process thats now how it will ever work either.