S.torch
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Because if everyone is the same, there's no point on having races in the first place. And role-playing will lost its purpose.
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Decline Character creation screen starts with race selection or worse
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Because if everyone is the same, there's no point on having races in the first place. And role-playing will lost its purpose.
dacencora
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Drow are Evil, Paladins are Lawful Good. Drow are the antithesis of Paladin virtues. They literally live their entire lives in the dark, and their culture is heavily based upon slavery and backstabbing. A Paladin would fight against everything a Drow is. I suppose you could make a semi-intriguing tale of a Drow that’s abandoned their heritage/culture and leads a crusade against their former home, but only a skilled writer could do it in a satisfying way, and there certainly shouldn’t be a choice for regular players to choose Paladin as an option for a Drow character.
thesecret1
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I just think of what kind of character I want to play flavour wise, then hammer in class, attributes etc. according to it. Never really concerned myself with whether race X has better bonuses or wharever.
Slogan, not an argument.
Make something up then. The genre's called "fantasy" for a reason.
dacencora
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Your question was about Drow and Paladin, which were capitalized. Those are from D&D.
dacencora
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Lol. Drow != dark elves. Drow are an invention of D&D. If you want to ask why a dark elf couldn’t be an oath-keeping knight, that is a very different question from “why can’t Drow be Paladins?”
WHY CAN'T I MAKE A MALE AMAZON??????
WHY CAN'T I MAKE AN ORC SCHOLAR?????
WHY CAN'T I MAKE A TALL DWARF?????
WHY CAN'T I MAKE A HIGH ELF BARBARIAN????????????
Because it makes no sense for any of these characters to exist. It's called internal consistency.
WHY CAN'T I MAKE AN ORC SCHOLAR?????
WHY CAN'T I MAKE A TALL DWARF?????
WHY CAN'T I MAKE A HIGH ELF BARBARIAN????????????
Because it makes no sense for any of these characters to exist. It's called internal consistency.
Don't start with male amazons, it's like conjuring the devil these days.
You can make a tall dwarf... if you are called Terry Pratchett.
You are slogan.
Of curse you CAN make a setting where evil drows / dark elves or whatever can become something called "paladins". But chances are this will be a bland or nonsensical setting. Or both. You can take from a race or a profession what is unique. Example being only race to be paladins or always evil, or a profession only for very good guys. Result is you make that profession or race more samey to other professions and races. Hence "everyone is the same". Not a slogan. A good author could maybe pull it off and actually end with something interesting but as a game rule it won't.
It's like making all races have green skin and be 6 feet tall. It can be done of curse, and a good writer can do something with it. But what is the point in a computer game?
KateMicucci
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Non-human races shouldn't have classes.
dacencora
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Realistically, the only authentic D&D setting where Drow are not necessarily evil is Eberron. But we were taking about what should be possible vs. what shouldn’t be. It shouldn’t be possible to make a Drow Paladin, even if some editions made that possible. It’s just kind of a dumb idea, tbh. They’re (usually) evil elves that (typically) dwell underground. Maybe they could be evil Paladins, but that still seems dumb IMO. Not every race needs to be able to be every class.
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By that logic you probably also think that halflings =/ hobbits.
Still, dark elves called "drow" are not exlusive to DnD. Who gives a shit who invented the name. Please take your autistic literalism back to /v/.
Mhm
Uh-huh
So we are in agreement. Everything else is just unfounded pessimism on your part.
Idk, freedom of choice maybe but we at the codex hate freedom, we love restrictions don't we folks.
rusty_shackleford
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race/class restrictions are a good thing
if you disagree, you probably eat paste
if you disagree, you probably eat paste
I found the D&D Basic Set gamer. There are dozens of us, I tell you! Dozens!
Norfleet
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In other words, somebody who is considered mentally ill in their society? I mean, let's be honest: Your average adventuring party is a travelling mental asylum/circus. Normal, mentally healthy people don't become murderhobos and then form a group consisting of the strongman, the lion tamer, the dwarf, the fire-thrower, and the acrobat. This is not a group of mentally normal individuals, this is a circus. Given that, I see no reason why any manner of freak cannot join the circus.
rusty_shackleford
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tl;dr
ENWorld Q&A with Gary Gygax part 13 2007 said:
Please escape the DnD mind prison.
dacencora
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For some reason, Drow being Evil is really triggering to lots of people.
Should we make non-evil Mind Flayers? Or Beholders?
dacencora
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All Hobbits are halflings, but not all halflings are Hobbits.
All Drow are dark elves, but not all dark elves are Drow.
Saduj
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So if you have to pick race first, does that make you completely forget what character class you're going to pick when the option comes up? I really don't understand the problem as long as racial modifiers are clearly presented. It isn't as if you start thinking "I'm going to make a thief". Then you have to pick a race first so you forget you're making a thief. Just pick the race with modifiers that are best for thieves and then take thief when the option comes up. I don't see how the order matters much.
I do strongly agree with what JarlFrank said about having everything on one screen being ideal - especially when all the derived stats are included. That way you can see how everything else is affected by each decision you've made.
I do strongly agree with what JarlFrank said about having everything on one screen being ideal - especially when all the derived stats are included. That way you can see how everything else is affected by each decision you've made.
KateMicucci
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Ugh
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