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Roguey

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Speaking as a lawyer:

I can pretty much guarantee you that MCA’s high-powered counsel told him that they would drop him as a client if he posted here (as they should).
He stopped posting here years before the lawsuit. He was only here to vent about Obsidian (as he said himself multiple times, we're the only people who cared) and hanging around was likely bad for his career given the snipping about it from other people in the industry:

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Speaking as a lawyer:

I can pretty much guarantee you that MCA’s high-powered counsel told him that they would drop him as a client if he posted here (as they should).
He stopped posting here years before the lawsuit. He was only here to vent about Obsidian (as he said himself multiple times, we're the only people who cared) and hanging around was likely bad for his career given the snipping about it from other people in the industry:
Yes, I know his last post was years before the allegations. But when taking on clients any decent lawyer is going to take a look at the client, including their online footprint. Drunkposting on a site that is occasionally characterized as a haven for neo-nazis is not something you want your client to do, so you mandate a moratorium on it if they want to retain you.
 
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Speaking as a lawyer:

I can pretty much guarantee you that MCA’s high-powered counsel told him that they would drop him as a client if he posted here (as they should).
He stopped posting here years before the lawsuit. He was only here to vent about Obsidian (as he said himself multiple times, we're the only people who cared) and hanging around was likely bad for his career given the snipping about it from other people in the industry:
Yes, I know his last post was years before the allegations. But when taking on clients any decent lawyer is going to take a look at the client, including their online footprint. Drunkposting on a site that is occasionally characterized as a haven for neo-nazis is not something you want your client to do, so you mandate a moratorium on it if they want to retain you.
How would you as a lawyer know that? You google MCA, find his posts on an RPG forum, move on.
Nobody at a glance knows it's just a front for people who are planning to resurrect Hitler.
 

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Speaking as a lawyer:

I can pretty much guarantee you that MCA’s high-powered counsel told him that they would drop him as a client if he posted here (as they should).
He stopped posting here years before the lawsuit. He was only here to vent about Obsidian (as he said himself multiple times, we're the only people who cared) and hanging around was likely bad for his career given the snipping about it from other people in the industry:

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Sawya used to post here too right? Someone tell this Patrick guy to stop being buddy buddy with him :smug:
 
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Speaking as a lawyer:

I can pretty much guarantee you that MCA’s high-powered counsel told him that they would drop him as a client if he posted here (as they should).
He stopped posting here years before the lawsuit. He was only here to vent about Obsidian (as he said himself multiple times, we're the only people who cared) and hanging around was likely bad for his career given the snipping about it from other people in the industry:
Yes, I know his last post was years before the allegations. But when taking on clients any decent lawyer is going to take a look at the client, including their online footprint. Drunkposting on a site that is occasionally characterized as a haven for neo-nazis is not something you want your client to do, so you mandate a moratorium on it if they want to retain you.
How would you as a lawyer know that? You google MCA, find his posts on an RPG forum, move on.
Nobody at a glance knows it's just a front for people who are planning to resurrect Hitler.
Err, well aside from the fact that I, as a lawyer, DO know that (one can’t discount the esoterica of personal experience): because it’s their job. Good lawyers tend to do their due diligence when it comes to research. That would certainly extend to researching an unfamiliar forum, regardless of whether or not its name appears self-explanatory.

Something most lawyers (even the not so good ones) have realized is that almost without exception judges both dislike and don’t understand social media. They don’t want to hear anything about it, they will be actively annoyed the moment it is mentioned, and don’t you DARE imply they might not understand it or suggest that there’s any possibility of nuance to it!
 

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Steve gets a Kidney but I don't even get a tag.
Watched half the interview, fell asleep after.

Main takeaway: MCA has played DE and liked it. Tough day for DE haters.

What a terrible interview otherwise. Most exchanges are either trite small talk, or inane, job interview-style questions like "what stuck with you the most after your career in gamedev".
MCA answers "your text will be translated, the aesthetic of your English text doesn't always survive". Uh huh. Banalities after banalities.
Then MCA gives advice on how to get into gamedev writing.... When we're on the bring of AI revolution.

What I'd ask MCA:
- Has he tried AI as a writing assistant? Thoughts? Why would he recommend anyone getting into writing when they're on the brink of replacement?
- I'd like to hear his perspective on how fantasy evolved from the times he started out to now, if he likes the evolution and where he thinks it's going to go.
- If he's involved with any project or if his career is over by his own volition?

I'd ideally like to ask him for thoughts on the opinion that the culture is in decline and video game writers are contributing to this, but knowing his nature (gentle, like the touch of an angel), I wouldn't ask him to critique his colleagues. I'd just stare into his beautiful eyes and leave it unsaid.

I'd like to ask him if he thinks the decline was deliberate in leading to AI (that will be manufactured fun like Sawyer) and if he's willing to mount a counter-revolution of pure writing talent in the future. In today's climate of ... whatever the fuck it is.

I can't remember where I saw the video (might have been the Critical Drinker), but it leaked from hollywood that they're not even interested in talent anymore, just diversity hires. It was right there on the form & tick of boxes. And just ticking the gay & lesbian box isn't enough anymore.

ANd if he's willing to make a comeback - is there even an audience anymore?. One that's more interested in the nature of a man. An not interested in stinking, hairy, bear ass.
 

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Bester https://fallout.wiki/wiki/Chris_Avellone/Fallout_Developers_Profile
Anyway, after that, things went pretty much downhill for my social life. I finally got a group of 3-4 guys together to play role-playing games (this grew to 7-8 during our Warhammer campaign in high school, which I am still most fond of). Girls remained a mystery to me with their strange curves, the fact they smelled nice, and strange way of behaving (I later learned this was courtesy), so me and my friends played the Temple of Elemental Evil for TWO years (no shit, longest campaign I ever ran, and we played weekly), then once we got bored of fantasy, we played a bunch of Superhero games (TWO more years of Superworld – thanks, Steve Perrin) and Hero Games, which seemed a little better thought-out rules-wise, and allowed for greater character customization. Throughout high school I sent a huge number of shitty submissions to Dragon magazine, Palladium, and GURPS that were sent back with generic form letters saying I needed to grow up. Even Hero Games did this, but I wore down the will of Monte Cook and Bruce Harlick (both of whom grew to hate the fact I kept submitting, and Monte even wrote me an angry mail to that effect, shortly before he capitulated). That is when I learned the most valuable lesson of my gaming career – persistence pays off.

I wrote a few supplements for Hero Games, discovered that I loved making characters for game worlds (Underworld Enemies for Hero Games had some of my favourite characters ever – including Ashtray Art, the pyrokinetic who was REALLY in love with fire and thought it was a real woman, the Hanged Man [no relation to the Fallout 3 character concept of the same name], the emotionally vampiric Saiettas Crime Family who didn’t care as much about the crimes they committed as they could feed on the misery it caused, and Mad Billy, who got stronger and tougher the more alcohol he drank – kind of like if the Hulk was fuelled by beer). All contributed to my social retardation, but my writing and design skills grew to level 3, and I added various Geeky Feats to my character until it was time to level up to Computer Game Designer Level One

Once at Interplay, I worked on a bunch of games. I made a lot of mistakes and a lot of friends. I got to meet Scott Bennie, who had worked at Hero Games before he levelled up. I met Steve Perrin, who had designed Superworld that our gaming group had played. I met Floyd Grubb and Bill Church, who took me to my first strip club. And I occasionally met Tim Cain, who I think still had that closely trimmed beard he always has, but he was too busy to tell any stories. While there, I envisioned Planescape: Torment, which I would argue was a huge mistake, but I loved doing it, so there was a period where I loved my job more than my own life, which my doctor later told me would not allow me to rise from the dead when the combination of stress and caffeine would cause my heart to stop beating (the last month of Torment was when I got this medical warning, but Annah was the last companion I had to write, so it was probably the best time for it to happen). This was the third thing I learned about game development – planting your ass in front of a computer game monitor is not conducive to your emotional and physical health.

The spiral of doom for Interplay was pretty evident around that time – Torment, Fallout, and other projects were the last of the 2-3 year development cycle within Dragonplay/Black Isle Games and the cycles became shorter and shorter as Interplay ran out of cash. I recovered from Fallout, lost some weight, gained a social life, lost more weight, actually learned more about Orange County, all against the backdrop of Interplay’s death throes. We kept laying people off. In some cases, this was a good thing. Black Isle remained relatively intact, but the demands and the pressure grew and grew until it cracked a few months after I left.

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He still is a fat nerd
A different kind of fat. He started lifting in the early 00s, built up some muscles. Then he apparently stopped but kept eating and became that squat strongfat, not the soft fat he is in the above picture.
 
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Roguey you're unable to distill subtle jokes from reality. Even fat George Martin was married multiple times and got laid a lot on post-nebula and other post-awards parties, which you wouldn't think possible (sci-fi nerd stuff), and yet.
 

Roguey

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Roguey you're unable to distill subtle jokes from reality. Even fat George Martin was married multiple times and got laid a lot on post-nebula and other post-awards parties, which you wouldn't think possible (sci-fi nerd stuff), and yet.
Events like DragonCon have a reputation for being a nerd orgy, I know. But overweight 170 cm Chris didn't really have any clout or appeal for that kind of thing to happen back then. Even when he was a celebrity dev and physically fit that wasn't assured (Jacqui...)
 

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Roguey you're unable to distill subtle jokes from reality. Even fat George Martin was married multiple times and got laid a lot on post-nebula and other post-awards parties, which you wouldn't think possible (sci-fi nerd stuff), and yet.
Events like DragonCon have a reputation for being a nerd orgy, I know. But overweight 170 cm Chris didn't really have any clout or appeal for that kind of thing to happen back then. Even when he was a celebrity dev and physically fit that wasn't assured (Jacqui...)
LIES!
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Roguey you're unable to distill subtle jokes from reality. Even fat George Martin was married multiple times and got laid a lot on post-nebula and other post-awards parties, which you wouldn't think possible (sci-fi nerd stuff), and yet.
Events like DragonCon have a reputation for being a nerd orgy, I know. But overweight 170 cm Chris didn't really have any clout or appeal for that kind of thing to happen back then. Even when he was a celebrity dev and physically fit that wasn't assured (Jacqui...)
LIES!
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Is that bark talking about the bounty hunter, the random graveyard resident, or the mayor?
 
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Roguey you're unable to distill subtle jokes from reality. Even fat George Martin was married multiple times and got laid a lot on post-nebula and other post-awards parties, which you wouldn't think possible (sci-fi nerd stuff), and yet.
Events like DragonCon have a reputation for being a nerd orgy, I know. But overweight 170 cm Chris didn't really have any clout or appeal for that kind of thing to happen back then. Even when he was a celebrity dev and physically fit that wasn't assured (Jacqui...)
LIES!
ayzX8qS.png
Is that bark talking about the bounty hunter, the random graveyard resident, or the mayor?
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The Jester

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Roguey you're unable to distill subtle jokes from reality. Even fat George Martin was married multiple times and got laid a lot on post-nebula and other post-awards parties, which you wouldn't think possible (sci-fi nerd stuff), and yet.
Events like DragonCon have a reputation for being a nerd orgy, I know. But overweight 170 cm Chris didn't really have any clout or appeal for that kind of thing to happen back then. Even when he was a celebrity dev and physically fit that wasn't assured (Jacqui...)
LIES!
ayzX8qS.png
Is that bark talking about the bounty hunter, the random graveyard resident, or the mayor?
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