CKII is released.

[Average Manatee]

Yea, generally being inside an Empire should be like CK2 inside CK2, with imperial politics being like a separate self-contained entity only set aside when invaded. Or in case of the usual Byzantine Empire, not even then so Worst Turk has a fighting chance.

Well, that's what it is now at low crown authority. Factions and plots are barely a blip on the radar for kings but for emperors it all explodes.

 

[IDtenT]

Yea, generally being inside an Empire should be like CK2 inside CK2, with imperial politics being like a separate self-contained entity only set aside when invaded. Or in case of the usual Byzantine Empire, not even then so Worst Turk has a fighting chance.

Well, that's what it is now at low crown authority. Factions and plots are barely a blip on the radar for kings but for emperors it all explodes.

The thing is, the cost for crown authority is the same for kingdoms and empires. That just... doesn't make sense. Also, kings living under the empire should be a lot more autonomous than they currently are.

 

[Vaarna_Aarne]

Yea, I will probably hard-cap HRE to No Authority again and remove the ridiculous relations bonus from Elective.

 

[Kukulkan]

Perhaps a major expansion for the HRE similar to Legacy of Rome is in order.

That'd just inevitably turn the HRE into more of a rapetrain.

I meant as in adding a similar level of depth that LoR did for the Byzantines. Though it's a common thing in Paradox expansions to make whatever is the focus of the dlc overpowered. When SoI came out the Muslims were overpowered, when LoR the Byzies were overpowered, when the Republic came out Republics became overpowered. It'll just take a patch or two to rebalance things.

 

[Average Manatee]

Yea, I will probably hard-cap HRE to No Authority again and remove the ridiculous relations bonus from Elective.

The way I see it, elective should work like this:
- When your dynasty loses the throne, your nomination for the throne should have the option to contest the elective process. This would start an instant civil war for the throne (with anyone who isn't a very close ally joining the rightfully elected emperor). If your nomination wins the law changes to non-elective.
- If they choose not to go to war and the succession is a peaceful one, your nominated character gets the relations boost for everyone in the empire (for following the correct process and promoting peace and stability).
- If the present emperor's nominated heir is one not of their own dynasty, the emperor gets the same relationship boost they have now (people are more comfortable with your rule knowing that your dynasty isn't trying to make themselves a permanent emperor)

So effectively your option is to either utilize the relations bonus and give up the throne every once in a while, or to not utilize the relations bonuses and try to continually elect your own heir emperor (which requires the empire to like you a lot).

 

[Kattze]

The only way to definitely weaken the HRE is to strengthen the role of the pope in imperial elections (imperial coronations, anti-kings etc.), instead of just being a super-bishop with lots of jewgoldz.

 

[Borelli]

Didn't HRE become elective only in the 14th century? Which is EU3 timeline? In CK2 time we have people like Frederick Barbarossa who were quite powerful although even he spent most of his time on internal problems.

 

[Kattze]

Didn't HRE become elective only in the 14th century? Which is EU3 timeline? In CK2 time we have people like Frederick Barbarossa who were quite powerful although even he spent most of his time on internal problems.

Not really, 14th century is where the electoral system was codified and restricted to electors (ie. Golden Bull of 13xx) but before that the elective principle was already present in the medieval kingdom of Germany (and by extension, the HRE) since the death of Carolingians. Even if the HRE became de facto controlled by one family (ie. Hohenstaufen) and ruled by good rulers (ie. Frederick Barbarossa, Frederick II), they have to pay lip-service to the elections by having their sons elected as 'King of Romans' as well.

Another important effect that the Golden Bull have on imperial elections is that it removes the papal grip in choosing the next emperor. Whereas, during 11th/12th century, papal coronation* is a 'must' before being recognised as HRE and not just the 'King of Germany' or 'King of Romans'; after the Golden Bull was enacted, papal coronation became merely a formality of concurring with the choice of the electors (after the Golden Bull, only one emperor was crowned by the pope but they were recognised as HRE by all Euro states).

*Which leads to Papal assumption of superiority over the HRE. Since according to the Popes, they were in effect giving 'power' to the HRE by the act of placing a crown to the emperor-elect's head. In theory, the pope was the one 'making' them emperors.

The papal-imperial cold war was really one of the most interesting aspects of medieval europe, so it was a shame that it is not really present within the game.

 

[Average Manatee]

The papal-imperial cold war was really one of the most interesting aspects of medieval europe, so it was a shame that it is not really present within the game.

Unfortunately I can't think of a good way to represent it. Exactly how much would be possible with current mechanics other than bribing the pope? Religion is too thinly utilized in CK2 that there's not much possible.

 

[Malakal]

Event chains obviously, doesnt even have to introduce new mechanics (of course I would love some of those, curia, papal conclaves, papal authority expanded, bishops and archbishops). Factions within the empire supporting both sides. Plots too.

 

[RedScum]

My heirs are danes.. Im seriously thinking of just stoping right here, can't have a god damn dane on the swedish throne.. Sorry brothers.

 

[Vaarna_Aarne]

My heirs are danes.. Im seriously thinking of just stoping right here, can't have a god damn dane on the swedish throne.. Sorry brothers.

This is a temporary problem. Just have the Danish grandsons be educated by Finns.

 

[RedScum]

A problem + a worse future problem = Profit?

I like your thinking

 

[Commissar Draco]

My Despotate of Neapolis is down to two countries and Norman Snow niggers from Sicily have de jure claim on both, soon will have to move into Worst Turk border and poison my childless Uncle to inherit theme there. Still the Sergio-Phokases of Neaplis fight the Latin Pope-amole.

 

[MadMaxHellfire]

i played the game vanilla first months ago. now i play it again, with dlcs everywhere. i've been playing for a while now and i'm facing the utter retard of the aztec invasion, i didn't disable it at first because i thought it could bring useful features here and there and not finding any switch in-game to turn that retardness off i took for granted it was off by default.
is my game broken beyond repair?

 

[MadMaxHellfire]

so it is broken beyond repair.

 

[Multi-headed Cow]

Glad I read that. I was under the impression Aztec invasion wasn't enabled by default either. I figured it was a special start date or something. Now I know.

 

[Konjad]

so it is broken beyond repair.

It's your fault you bought this crap in the first place.

 

[MadMaxHellfire]

it was hidden among a lot of other stuff it's not my fault! it snuck on my hd without me noticing it

 

[Kukulkan]

IIRC the devs will make the Aztecs playable with the new DLC release. So if you desire converting all of Western Europe to the worship of Xolotl, now you can.

 

[Destroid]

Perhaps the next big DLC will be about playing theocracies and religion will get expanded.

 

[Vaarna_Aarne]

Perhaps the next big DLC will be about playing theocracies and religion will get expanded.

Well, could serve as a roundabout way to make HRE work properly. Who am I kidding, it'll just be crusade rapetrain instead.

 

[Destroid]

Is it possible to destroy a title once it has been created? Or do they just get passed around ad infinitum.

 

[XenomorphII]

Is it possible to destroy a title once it has been created? Or do they just get passed around ad infinitum.

They can be destroyed (duke and up that is). It will upset all de jure vassals though.

Click on your title shield (under the portrait of your character/or just bring up your character page). Then just click a title that you hold. There should be options to destroy it, make it primary, view claimants, and view its history.

 

[Kosmonaut]

Is it possible to destroy a title once it has been created? Or do they just get passed around ad infinitum.

They can be destroyed (duke and up that is). It will upset all de jure vassals though.

Jesus, how to forget my once united spanish peninsula ravaged by civil war because this. After spending several centuries of Reconquista, driving off the moors from Hispaniola.

 

[Vaarna_Aarne]

Is it possible to destroy a title once it has been created? Or do they just get passed around ad infinitum.

It is. Just go to the title screen where you create them, and you'll find Destroy option if you've got the option to do so.