Incline Colony Ship Combat Beta Thread

[Black Angel]

I.... can't understand how people miss a lot of rather obvious things in the UI. Maybe you guys are too old?

 

[Nick]

We have to add F1 guide to combat for sure. I agree that things like disabling reaction attacks for specific weapon slots are far from obvious.

 

[Deleted Member 22431]

I.... can't understand how people miss a lot of rather obvious things in the UI. Maybe you guys are too old?

cRPG systems are opaque because you have to rely on conventions and you have to expect that the players will understand the conventions used and what they signal. It's not just a matter of putting the information in front of the player. The way you present it can alienate players if they are not intuitive enough. It is not just a matter of reading a system. It's an interactive game and you have to understand how to interact with the system properly. Also, the ageism in your post is truly disgusting.

 

[Sensuki]

Just now realized that you can upgrade the shields if you click on the small gear box in the inventory. Now I know how people who missed tagged skills feel.

Yeah I didnt know about this either. I clicked on the cog and it said I had the part, but I couldn't figure out what to do next, just assumed that maybe having the item in my inventory counted as the upgrade.

 

[jackofshadows]

Just now realized that you can upgrade the shields if you click on the small gear box in the inventory. Now I know how people who missed tagged skills feel.

I still don't know how to use this thing. I can see the options when I click on the icon, but I can't insert the piece of equipment that I bought--which is only one that works by the way (Mk1). When I place the thing on the inventory, the energy shield blinks, as if the part was already installed. Is that it?

Yes, first you have to buy a better MK2 component in the shop obviously, then while you have it in your inventory, click on small gear button on gadget and then select MK2 in a proper section. Confusing thing there is that "1" shows not the selected one but that which can be chosen. So check the description and better stats across.

 

[Black Angel]

Also, the ageism in your post is truly disgusting.

'Twas a joke, why so serious?

 

[Deleted Member 22431]

Yes, first you have to buy a better MK2 component in the shop obviously, then while you have it in your inventory, click on small gear button on gadget and then select MK2 in a proper section. Confusing thing there is that "1" shows not the selected one but that which can be chosen. So check the description and better stats across.

So I could have bought this thing all this fucking time?

 

[Jaedar]

I've been wondering, what does the Armor skill really do? The description implies our character moving more easily when wearing armors, but what does it really do during moment-to-moment gameplay?

Each level reduces the reaction, sneak and evasion penalty of each armor piece by 2. Light (shit) armor has no penalties, medium and heavy can have up to -30 or something like that.

 

[Takamori]

A question to the devs, since shields has this neat upgrade system, will we be able to mods or upgrade weapons?

 

[Elhoim]

I've been wondering, what does the Armor skill really do? The description implies our character moving more easily when wearing armors, but what does it really do during moment-to-moment gameplay?

Each level reduces the reaction, sneak and evasion penalty of each armor piece by 2. Light (shit) armor has no penalties, medium and heavy can have up to -30 or something like that.

And initiative as well.

I still don't know how to use this thing. I can see the options when I click on the icon, but I can't insert the piece of equipment that I bought--which is only one that works by the way (Mk1). When I place the thing on the inventory, the energy shield blinks, as if the part was already installed. Is that it?

Yeah, this screen needs a bit of improvement, especially:

- Different look for each upgrade.
- The installed upgrade should be highlighted with a border and grayed out in the 3 options below.
- A HUGE art pass.

 

[razvedchiki]

is it possible to add the option of text scaling plox?

 

[Elhoim]

is it possible to add the option of text scaling plox?

Possible, I assume yes, but it's not something easy as that would affect lots of things in the interface behavior. It's something left to be done when there are less urgent tasks, as it would mean weeks of work tweaking the interfaces so that everything works correctly.

 

[thesecret1]

Is it possible to make a viable build with PER as dump stat? Or is high PER basically mandatory in order to hit anything at all?

 

[AdolfSatan]

I.... can't understand how people miss a lot of rather obvious things in the UI. Maybe you guys are too old?

To be fair, it doesn't scale atm and it can look very tiny on smaller screens.

 

[Deleted Member 22431]

From steam:

Тварь 12 hours ago

About DR, evasion penalty and heavy armor.
So far I've finished the game with 2 melee tanks. A 10 STR tank and a 10 CON tank. 10 STR tank had 20 armor handling. He could stack up to ~11 ranged DR with -10 and -2 AP penalty or ~10 DR without penalty. So you pay 2 AP and give enemies +10 THC for 1 DR. Is it a good trade? Against "Aimed: Center Mass" - no, plain and simple. I'd say it's a bad trade overall.
On the other hand, 10+ DR is mighty good against graze attacks. Top-tier firearms with penetration graze you for 0 damage. Very good against SMG. Combine 10 DR with lvl 2 distortion field, Tough Bas-rd perk and high grade smoke - and you become a __I^+^^\===_. (tank)
One notable thing is that you can stack insane Melee DR via the heaviest Riot armor. But I doubt it'll be useful in the game. Remember your tank builds from AoD? Agathoth squashed them like cockroaches no matter the armor. Same logic here - 10 str opponents with kinetic hammer do 24-30 damage with a strong attack, even more on crit. And something tells me there will be even scarier abominations lurking in the ship's core...

My point is: 30-40 penalty armor is highly situational in this demo, even for 10 str armor juggernauts. 20 penalty armor is good for those builds.

1) The progression is heavily accelerated, especially with the stakes going higher in each fight, so there's not much room for experimentation. In the full game, the curve will be flatter, and the ammo more scarce, forcing weapon variation a bit more. And also don't only focus too much on the skill levels, since the effect is lower than in AoD and weapons are usable with lower skill. Many players use a back-up weapon like a shotgun or melee when using rifles, for example.

2) Armor alone won't carry character survivability on its own, it needs support from feats and gadgets. Not saying the balance is perfect, of course. We are still balancing skill gain a bit and armor progression.

 

[Deleted Member 22431]

A question to the devs, since shields has this neat upgrade system, will we be able to mods or upgrade weapons?

Vince [developer] 16 Apr @ 4:20pm

No. We planned to make them moddable (like that scene in The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly when Tuco builds a revolver from parts) but we didn't have the resources.

Crafting made sense in AoD as forging a mace or even a sword using a crude forge is much easier than making a submachine gun from scratch. So upgrade (swapping parts) was the only option but it would have taken too long.

 

[Fenix]

I turn it on at the end of my first turn, when there are still many enemies taking potshots at me. They usually deplete or almost deplete it in that time, saving me a lot of HP, and you can turn it off for free if it survived

Right, that's what I did in a fight when you get distortion shield. I think you can't change shield in fight right? Then it's bad to use fist shield.

 

[Takamori]

Ah yes like to report a bug: If you buy the Combat Reflexes from Sarah, the machine that install the implants don't recognize it. But if you get the drop from Carter encounter the machine will detect it.

 

[Deleted Member 22431]

Elhoim [developer] 18 Apr @ 11:16am

Currently we don't have any code to add abilities outside the equipment. But every point of unspent AP x 2 gets added to the reaction chance.

 

[Vault Dweller]

Ah yes like to report a bug: If you buy the Combat Reflexes from Sarah, the machine that install the implants don't recognize it. But if you get the drop from Carter encounter the machine will detect it.

That's an upgrade, not the base implant. They all look the same now but it will change.

 

[Deleted Member 22431]

Ah yes like to report a bug: If you buy the Combat Reflexes from Sarah, the machine that install the implants don't recognize it. But if you get the drop from Carter encounter the machine will detect it.

Sarah only sells the upgrades of the implants.

 

[Fenix]

Is it possible to make a viable build with PER as dump stat?

Possible or not, I'll go 10 Con 10 Int 8 Cha if survive till release. Also graze shots will help you.

 

[M. AQVILA]

Can you guys please disable quick save during combat? I've already mistakenly quick saved twice just when I die or am about to die.

You'd think I would be smart enough to learn not to rely on quick save after the first mistake, but it took me the second time before I wised up.

 

[Takamori]

Ah yes like to report a bug: If you buy the Combat Reflexes from Sarah, the machine that install the implants don't recognize it. But if you get the drop from Carter encounter the machine will detect it.

That's an upgrade, not the base implant. They all look the same now but it will change.

God damn it, I already feel retarded for missing the shield upgrades lmao. Thanks for the tip

 

[Fenix]

Also - I found out yesterday, that two-handed weapon's full reach not so useful like it was in AoD - you presumably using it to not waste 1 AP, BUT! if target is in cover, it get its bonuses untill you come close. So it only useful in the open.