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Darkest Dungeon II

Discussion in 'General RPG Discussion' started by Space Satan, Feb 19, 2019.

  1. Harthwain Savant

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    Depends.

    1) Do they want feedback?

    2) Is Discord good enough place to give feedback, if they really want it (I am not using it myself, so I have no idea)?
     
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  2. Tigranes Prestigious Gentleman Arcane

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    "Guys, we could take this pot of a million dorrahs and only have like 50k players for our playtesting, or we could not take the pot and have more playtesters!"

    "Wow, guy, this is such a difficult decision, I don't know, man."
     
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  3. Bara Savant

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    Right I did stupidly forget epic is stupid rich right now. How much would they have thrown out even for a popular indie like darkest dungeon.
     
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  4. Shinros Learned

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    What they should of done is own the fact they did it for the money, people would more easily accept the decision if you're just honest about it. Also the people complaining are just going to buy it anyway, most gamers are bad consumers.
     
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  5. Ol' Willy Arcane Zionist Agent

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    Remind me, how many developers admitted doing something purely for the sake of cash, like, EVER?
     
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  6. Shinros Learned

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    It's how you frame the argument, you would have more people eating out of your hand if you used the excuse that you needed the money to keep the lights on etc, some would fall for it.

    Edit:I should be more clear, they did this for the money, providing a reason for taking the money, a reason a standard consumer would believe would make them swallow the news easier. To be fair though this decision was silly in the light of the goodwill generated beforehand.
     
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  7. Harthwain Savant

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    I am fine with it being Early Access exclusive only. I try to avoid EA as much as I can anyway (mostly to not burn myself out), so if Epic wants to pay for that I don't mind. I will wait for the actual release and - if the game is good - pick it on the store of my own choice, which is pretty much all I want.
     
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  8. Ol' Willy Arcane Zionist Agent

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    Nope. You're thinking from the wrong end, china. It's corporate politics. Not a single publisher in the world would allow their developers to admit that they signed with them only because of the money. It's a bad rep.

    Same shit in movies. In music industry. In sports. When some famous footballer in his thirties moves to some shit-level league in Qatar or China to earn more in the week that we can earn in the year, he will never admit that he did it for the money. Never. It's always about "opportunities", "experience" or some other vague shit.
     
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  9. Shinros Learned

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    True. Perhaps I'm just too idealistic, that might be the case. Honestly, this was the last company I thought who would have made a decision like this. But, here we are.
     
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  10. InD_ImaginE Arcane Patron

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    considering how resistant Red Hook is to critique, no lol

    they made everything they could to make the game artificially harder through grind, corpse mechanic, etc

    only after big enough controversies do tehy make corpse optional and much way later on do they make radiant difficulty to reduce the grind

    the game at its core still has the same flaw people been complaining for years
     
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  11. Wunderbar Arcane

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    Corpse mechanic is good.
     
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  12. Assisted Living Godzilla Liturgist

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    If the game is big and people are able to mod it they'll mod it. It ain't exactly like 3D models stopped people in the past from making mods for a game. The models don't exactly look like the most difficult thing either. Stylistically they're nice, but that seems to just be the hand drawn textures more than anything else, and if you can draw up the characters to make in the first game you can likely also draw a mesh to put on a model.
     
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  13. Zariusz Learned

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    Maybe it even could make modding easier, i remember that adding completly new classes to DD1 was difficult because you had to use some expensive software, without it you could only really resking other classes.
     
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  14. taviow Magister

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    Early Access exclusivity is meaningless imo. Who cares about that? If Epic store players want to beta test the game and Red Hook gets a wad of cash in return, why wouldn't they do it? Actual 1.0 release is coming to other stores.
     
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  15. baud Magister Patron

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    Perhaps Red Hook is going for EGS for the EA so that only dedicated fans will go buy it there, so they'd get better feedback on the EA?

    And they'll still release 1.0 on Steam where everyone will be able to buy it

    (it could be a reason why they did this, in addition to the big wad of cash Epic sent their way)
     
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  16. lukaszek the determinator

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    its just like closed/backers/vip beta, but someone else is paying for extra privilege

    still... slippery slope.
     
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  17. Joseph Stalin Totally not Auraculum

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    Don't shit too much on Epic Games. They sponsored Total War: Troy, and slowly but surely it's shaping up to be a really nice title.
     
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  18. Agame Arcane Patron

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    Greetings fellow communists, I to support Epic Games Store!
     
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  19. Joseph Stalin Totally not Auraculum

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    Comrade, I don't care where I pirate my games from.
     
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  20. bec de corbin Educated

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    Yeah, fuck epic store, I want to give my money to valve, I only support american parasitic drm merchants, god bless america star spangled banner etc
     
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  21. Harthwain Savant

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    Nobody cares where you buy games, as long as you can buy them everywhere.
     
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  22. bec de corbin Educated

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    Lots of games are exclusive to Steam though

    Personally I buy drm free games only, but I guess if you want to aggressively love a DRM company then that's cool too
     
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  23. InD_ImaginE Arcane Patron

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    the main difference is Steam doesn't fork some moolah to force exclusivity. Steam through Steamworks also provides free multiplayer framework which is a huge load off smaller devs. Being the biggest marketplace also works in its favor. Games being exclusive in Steam is force of the market, so to speak.
     
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  24. tritosine2k Liturgist

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  25. Harthwain Savant

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    This.

    I will add that Epic first tries to bribe the developer/publisher for Epic-only exclusive and when that fails (and the game gets to be put on Steam) they REFUSE to sell that game on their store at the same time:

    https://www.pcgamer.com/darq-developer-reveals-why-he-turned-down-epic-store-exclusivity/
     
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