KickStarter Darkest Dungeon Pre-Release Thread

[Stainless Veteran]

I was worried for a moment you meant Undertale but got the spelling wrong. That game seems good but not one I'm personally interested in. The comparisons with Fallout were the deal breaker - don't remind a modder of games that are complete shit without the modders they lean on if you wanna impress them. After all, if I wanted bad design enabled for free there is still Derpest and I hope there's no further questions what I think of that.

I think this retard is confusing fallout with fallout 3.

Either he's 14, or he's beyond help. I always wondered, what is this in modding that attracts such unique individuals? Their unshakable conviction that they can do better then authors? Are their overall narcissism and illusions of grandeur perquisites to be a modder, or is it the other way around? Come to think about it, I think the only drama-free modder was Wesp, if we're talking about big projects, and our own ghostdog.

 

[SausageInYourFace]

Calling something used on emails and usernet as a "this 4chan bullshit" should be a bannable offence too.

I don't think you know what you are talking about. These are two different things used in entirely different ways.

 

[Invictus]

What amazes me is the fact he tries to revision his own shitposting; he says Fallout is broken without modding, gets called about it, butthurt ensues and he says he meant Fallout 2 (of course) and then he tries to justify his postion instead of just saying he though it was Beth's Fallout 3 by saying Underrail must surely suck now...And comes back with mentions of trolls and how he must be the smartes guy in the thread and if you dont understand his genious that proves he is right and you probably are a retard if you dont realize his greatness...
Whatever poor guy his attention seeking is pathetic and I will say what I tell any modder who thinks he is a special snowflake; if you think you can do better then develop your own thing instead of trying to tell someone else how he shoukd do it

 

[ghostdog]

Thanks to Stainless Veteran 's alert, I found that this thread has unexpected renewed potential.

 

[Mozg]

Either he's 14, or he's beyond help. I always wondered, what is this in modding that attracts such unique individuals? Their unshakable conviction that they can do better then authors? Are their overall narcissism and illusions of grandeur perquisites to be a modder, or is it the other way around? Come to think about it, I think the only drama-free modder was Wesp, if we're talking about big projects, and our own ghostdog.

kyrub is a credit to his modder race

Wesp is only non-flakey wrt his competition in VtMB modding. A truly non-flakey Wesp would stop patching at some point.

 

[InD_ImaginE]

Celerity lighten up a bit will you? The shitposting is how the Codex show its love to you

Seriously though, while reading your posts is somewhat fun, try to get a beer (or lot), spend new year eve with your family, watch firework, browse pictures of cat, and generally chill up.
While some of your point regarding the game might be valid, how you are presenting it is giving you no fucking credit at all.

My 2 cent? Forget about the fucking game mate. You are getting angry over the game? Sure, many people are. What do you hope will happen by doing what you are doing? Denting their sales? Making people "see the truth" about the game? See mate, after Steam Sale the game has been sold like 40 - 50k of units. The hardcore gamer, who you might share vision with, have moved on from the game. Meanwhile the casuals don't frigging care about your analysis over the game. You think your crusade alone will do anything? The whole Codex is shitposting on many modern RPGs, some Codexer even do it on other forums for shit and giggles, but do you see Dragon Age, Mass Effect, or Beth Fallout losing sales over them? The dev would just censor it, do some PR, and ta-da nothing happened. You are spending much of your time and energy to do something that boils your blood with no tangible impact on the dev.

You love modding? There are games out there in need of serious modding magic, find them, do your work of love to those games, and share the joy.

 

[Seethe]

The dumbfuck tag isn't enough for this level of autism.


Also, I haven't played DD since August. Is it worth playing again now or should I just wait for the "release" version that's supposedly coming in January?

It's a pile of rubbish now. The game should be renamed to Darkest Casino, and even then it won't reflect reality.

 

[Celerity]

I was worried for a moment you meant Undertale but got the spelling wrong. That game seems good but not one I'm personally interested in. The comparisons with Fallout were the deal breaker - don't remind a modder of games that are complete shit without the modders they lean on if you wanna impress them. After all, if I wanted bad design enabled for free there is still Derpest and I hope there's no further questions what I think of that.

I think this retard is confusing fallout with fallout 3.

Still no explanation on what the fucking difference is. Even after asking for it twice.

You make an argument, you present supporting evidence. You don't just hurr durr he's a retard blah bplah blah.

What amazes me is the fact he tries to revision his own shitposting; he says Fallout is broken without modding, gets called about it, butthurt ensues and he says he meant Fallout 2 (of course) and then he tries to justify his postion instead of just saying he though it was Beth's Fallout 3 by saying Underrail must surely suck now...And comes back with mentions of trolls and how he must be the smartes guy in the thread and if you dont understand his genious that proves he is right and you probably are a retard if you dont realize his greatness...
Whatever poor guy his attention seeking is pathetic and I will say what I tell any modder who thinks he is a special snowflake; if you think you can do better then develop your own thing instead of trying to tell someone else how he shoukd do it

I'm not revisionisting shit. Someone linked Underail's store page. I clicked Underail's storepage. It seemed like an interesting game in a setting I'm not a fan of. I check the reviews. They compare it with Fallout 2. I say Fallout, meaning the entire franchise. Instead of explaining how the Fallout franchise is not a homogenous entity, I just got insulting rage posts.

If you're telling me Fallout 3 is like Diablo 3 prove it or fuck off.

And where the fuck did I say Underail sucked? I said I was wary and distrustful of it because of that analog being the worst choice of words and explained why I read it that way.

Celerity lighten up a bit will you? The shitposting is how the Codex show its love to you

Seriously though, while reading your posts is somewhat fun, try to get a beer (or lot), spend new year eve with your family, watch firework, browse pictures of cat, and generally chill up.
While some of your point regarding the game might be valid, how you are presenting it is giving you no fucking credit at all.

My 2 cent? Forget about the fucking game mate. You are getting angry over the game? Sure, many people are. What do you hope will happen by doing what you are doing? Denting their sales? Making people "see the truth" about the game? See mate, after Steam Sale the game has been sold like 40 - 50k of units. The hardcore gamer, who you might share vision with, have moved on from the game. Meanwhile the casuals don't frigging care about your analysis over the game. You think your crusade alone will do anything? The whole Codex is shitposting on many modern RPGs, some Codexer even do it on other forums for shit and giggles, but do you see Dragon Age, Mass Effect, or Beth Fallout losing sales over them? The dev would just censor it, do some PR, and ta-da nothing happened. You are spending much of your time and energy to do something that boils your blood with no tangible impact on the dev.

You love modding? There are games out there in need of serious modding magic, find them, do your work of love to those games, and share the joy.

Strange love. It's not even that they're attacking me, it's that someone starts screeching and then everyone forgets about what they were saying, joins in and even starts summoning outside people. It's like a bunch of zergs. Even the Derpests aren't that bad - it's always the same few people that jump on every critic and they have some kind of reason for it even if it is just salt I pounded it out in them months ago then discarded them like a spent torch. Unsurprisingly when someone gets attacked from all sides they get defensive. When they usually deal with idiots and they see people acting like idiots they react accordingly. I've repeatedly asked the Codex if we can have productive discussions. This is either ignored, or remembered until goldfish memory works its magic and a retard screeches again.

As for the game, you're right. They've sold about 40-50k units, mostly because they have people spamming over and over that the negative reviews are from 2014 when the game is not, organizing review bomb brigades and then declaring that the reviews look great...

http://steamcommunity.com/app/262060/discussions/0/458604254448815776/

...And when that bubble bursts and people realize they've been told lies? Well there will be many more negative reviews and negative review votes despite this developer prompted manipulation.

At the same time you have this shill army still raging about me based on things I've said and done months ago. They've went as far as doxxing and real world crimes. That's fucking obsession - not warning people off the goddamned game. They're so blatantly corrupt with the lies and vote manipulation and agendas and circlejerking I'm surprised Jim Fucking Sterling Son hasn't already taken a dildo bat across their faces. You say I don't hurt them, but if that was true they wouldn't care. They certainly would not spend more time/effort addressing critics in general or me personally than discussing the actual game. Most importantly, people are calling them on their shit and not buying because of it! That's the victory here. I don't have a financial stake in their success or failure but DAMN do I want some reckoning! Every time someone sees through their bullshit and nopes on out of there I imagine some classic damage spam Derpest farming with Wayne yelling "A SINGULAR STRIKE!" as the horde of shills take absurd damage and instantly explode. Then I have a good laugh and a beer and a fap and all is right in the world.

 

[Lhynn]

I was worried for a moment you meant Undertale but got the spelling wrong. That game seems good but not one I'm personally interested in. The comparisons with Fallout were the deal breaker - don't remind a modder of games that are complete shit without the modders they lean on if you wanna impress them. After all, if I wanted bad design enabled for free there is still Derpest and I hope there's no further questions what I think of that.

I think this retard is confusing fallout with fallout 3.

Still no explanation on what the fucking difference is. Even after asking for it twice.

You make an argument, you present supporting evidence. You don't just hurr durr he's a retard blah bplah blah.

Fallout 1

Fallout 3

Where do i even fucking start

 

[Invictus]

Whatever dude, my dwindling interest in this $20 game is almost spent, as well as my interest in this thread thanks to your mindless trolling
Will now stop watching this thread till after release, maybe by then your suffering will be at its peak and you will go full Sheldon nerdrage someplace else... Perhaps RPG Watch might be more your speed?
Anyway "Vaya con Dios"

 

[Gondolin]

I've repeatedly asked the Codex if we can have productive discussions.

As a modder, how do you feel about Arcanum?

 

[vonAchdorf]

As for the game, you're right. They've sold about 40-50k units, mostly because they have people spamming over and over that the negative reviews are from 2014 when the game is not, organizing review bomb brigades and then declaring that the reviews look great...

http://steamcommunity.com/app/262060/discussions/0/458604254448815776/

...And when that bubble bursts and people realize they've been told lies? Well there will be many more negative reviews and negative review votes despite this developer prompted manipulation.

No, they sold that amount, because it's a $10 game, which looks and sounds interesting. I doubt that the majority of buyers even bothers to read reviews. A quick glance at the Steam score is the maximum. For the majority of the 550k players, there is no bubble to burst, no lies to uncover, because they'll get their 10, 15, 20 bucks worth of entertainment out of the title. (Or they'll refund it in the first 2h if they don't like it at all.) People who read the Steam discussion boards for a game, are in the single digits percentage of all owners.

 

[Celerity]

I was worried for a moment you meant Undertale but got the spelling wrong. That game seems good but not one I'm personally interested in. The comparisons with Fallout were the deal breaker - don't remind a modder of games that are complete shit without the modders they lean on if you wanna impress them. After all, if I wanted bad design enabled for free there is still Derpest and I hope there's no further questions what I think of that.

I think this retard is confusing fallout with fallout 3.

Still no explanation on what the fucking difference is. Even after asking for it twice.

You make an argument, you present supporting evidence. You don't just hurr durr he's a retard blah bplah blah.

Fallout 1

Fallout 3

Where do i even fucking start

Ok, so one is set on a grid and one's not. I'm talking about quality here, in case me saying it was about quality was not obvious. I don't want some buggy incomplete POS that needs mods just so it's usable. How is Fallout 2, because that is the one the Underail reviews referenced not like this? I won't do your research for you especially when the arguments so far have been intellectually vapid.

I've repeatedly asked the Codex if we can have productive discussions.

As a modder, how do you feel about Arcanum?

I assume this is some sort of Drog baiting. In case it is a legitimate question, what is Arcanum? Isn't that the one that guy who only half understands "difficulty fetishists" made? If you cannot provide a serious answer don't bother but all I know about it is its connected with him and Drog.

As for the game, you're right. They've sold about 40-50k units, mostly because they have people spamming over and over that the negative reviews are from 2014 when the game is not, organizing review bomb brigades and then declaring that the reviews look great...

http://steamcommunity.com/app/262060/discussions/0/458604254448815776/

...And when that bubble bursts and people realize they've been told lies? Well there will be many more negative reviews and negative review votes despite this developer prompted manipulation.

No, they sold that amount, because it's a $10 game, which looks and sounds interesting. I doubt that the majority of buyers even bothers to read reviews. A quick glance at the Steam score is the maximum. For the majority of the 550k players, there is no bubble to burst, no lies to uncover, because they'll get their 10, 15, 20 bucks worth of entertainment out of the title. (Or they'll refund it in the first 2h if they don't like it at all.) People who read the Steam discussion boards for a game, are in the single digits percentage of all owners.

It is actually a 20 dollar game that has gone on increasingly frequent and drastic discounts until reaching 10 dollars presently before release. But that's beside the point, as this game has about 2-5 hours of content originally prolonged so that it was 25 hours of grind and is now 50 or more. Presumably this was at least partially because of the addition of the refund feature a few months in - if there were no grind in this game, all bosses would be available immediately, you could defeat every level 1 boss within 2 hours and then refund as you've seen all unique content at that point. The only thing new past level 1 is a few very rare enemies, and you fight them the same way as you do anything else. Use your highest damage skill a few times.

Now you're right that only something like 1-2% of people read what other people are saying about the game, so if you look at it like that there's something like 800 negative reviews post disaster patch which represents 40-80k people. Only 160k bought the game post disaster patch so that is a very significant number.

 

[Gondolin]

In case it is a legitimate question, what is Arcanum?

Arcanum is a game that still needs a lot of love.

 

[Mustawd]

Ok, so one is set on a grid and one's not. I'm talking about quality here, in case me saying it was about quality was not obvious. I don't want some buggy incomplete POS that needs mods just so it's usable. How is Fallout 2, because that is the one the Underail reviews referenced not like this? I won't do your research for you especially when the arguments so far have been intellectually vapid.

 

[Celerity]

In case it is a legitimate question, what is Arcanum?

Arcanum is a game that still needs a lot of love.

Ok. And since you clearly mean modder love and I've already made my stance on fixer games very clear I now know I should not check it out. Thank you for the warning, but wasn't that meant as a recommendation?

 

[duanth123]

Ok, so one is set on a grid and one's not. I'm talking about quality here, in case me saying it was about quality was not obvious. I don't want some buggy incomplete POS that needs mods just so it's usable. How is Fallout 2, because that is the one the Underail reviews referenced not like this? I won't do your research for you especially when the arguments so far have been intellectually vapid.

What other games have you played besides DD?

 

[MasterSmithFandango]

I've repeatedly asked the Codex if we can have productive discussions.

As a modder, how do you feel about Arcanum?

I made this joke pages ago.

 

[Viata]

God, man, what kind of rpgs you like since you wanted to mod Darkest Dungeon? Could you tell me your favorite, top 5 or anything?

 

[Celerity]

God, man, what kind of rpgs you like since you wanted to mod Darkest Dungeon? Could you tell me your favorite, top 5 or anything?

The complete list? That's a bit long. I'm not that familiar with older PC games since I didn't have a PC when they were new. Sometimes I hear about them later and buy them, sometimes I don't. I intentionally don't follow most gaming news because it isn't accurate so if a game doesn't make a strong impression in some other way I will often never know it existed. We've seen what happens when false promises do get the better of me in a big way.

If I did pick one I hadn't already mentioned somewhere it would be Wizardry 5. But most of the games I've tried, RPGs included have at best been enjoyable but not memorable. I go through them once, put them down, and that's it. I never revisit them even many years later. A game with no replay value is automatically disqualified from my list, and most of the really fun and replayable games I've tried have been Roguelikes and not RPGs.

 

[Matalarata]

Celerity, Fallout (1) is one of the most replayable games ever made, you can play it as a low intelligence retard and the world will actually react to your intelligence "1" stat. No trolling. Try it, is really cheap.
FO2 is good too, a bit of a theme park but still leagues better than anything that came out in the last 15 years.
FO3 is the first Bethesturd in the serie and it's a totally different beast...

Wesp

I have fond memories of Kael from Fall from heaven, the guy was a gentleman extraordinaire, managing a big project that took years and attracted more than is fair share of crazy modmodders. On the other hand I was young and starry-eyed, maybe it's the nostalgia.

 

[Burning Bridges]

DD was quite good in the beginning but quickly got past the point where it was exciting, and eventually is just grind.
Reading the reviews is really interesting though. It seems there is a war going on, and both sides claim the reviews are manipulated. As always you should side with the detractors of course. If a developer complains about a smear campaign and hires shills to counter it, one should have zero respect for this kind of behavior. Also, I have no respect for developers who had a great idea and fail to do anything with it.

 

[Celerity]

Celerity, Fallout (1) is one of the most replayable games ever made, you can play it as a low intelligence retard and the world will actually react to your intelligence "1" stat. No trolling. Try it, is really cheap.
FO2 is good too, a bit of a theme park but still leagues better than anything that came out in the last 15 years.
FO3 is the first Bethesturd in the serie and it's a totally different beast...

I'd rather not roleplay you.

But seriously, what you're saying is that Fallout 1 and 2 are distinct from the broken clusterfuck of 3, and therefore Underail isn't shit for being like 2?

DD was quite good in the beginning but quickly got past the point where it was exciting, and eventually is just grind.
Reading the reviews is really interesting though. It seems there is a war going on, and both sides claim the reviews are manipulated. As always you should side with the detractors of course. If a developer complains about a smear campaign and hires shills to counter it, one should have zero respect for this kind of behavior. Also, I have no respect for developers who had a great idea and fail to do anything with it.

They claim there are "about 8 people going around voting on everything". when there are considerably more than 8 votes involved on both sides. They also claim I've made a bunch of alts, I busted that myth in an instant by making an alt and hitting the vote button. "Your account does not have permission..." The review page right now looks very different from how it looked 4 days ago, and the little shits brag openly that the reviews look great. Some people are still clueless about this and buy anyways, others get it and see the community's crazier than I am for themselves.

If it weren't for the Reddit campaign, the page would have remained at least 95% negative until release because that's what all the people looking at the game because sale would see and vote on. It also seems they've changed how reviews are ranked, as something with a higher percentage score but much lower vote count will rank higher resulting in these false positives being manipulated early.

 

[Burning Bridges]

The problem is that nowadays everyone is doing this. IL2 BOS went from "terrible" to "very good" in 6-12 months. they have probably given out 100s of free copies and Doritos until they were satsified with the feedback

Steam reviews have become totally worthless.

 

[Celerity]

What game is that?

And I don't know about the developer giving away copies for reviews. They certainly do give away copies and I have no doubts they'd do such a thing or even make alts and gift the alts a copy so they could review it (it'd explain where they got the idea... displacement). It'd even explain why they're developing so slow - they're so busy acting as "Keymaster" (an actual title one of them have) than working on the game. I've never actually caught them doing it. Knowing them it's just self selected idiots going along with it for free, because their greed won't let them share, even with their "extended marketing department" of private profiles who shitpost everywhere.

Reddit bullshit or no Reddit bullshit, the only reason they're not dead yet is because Jim Sterling is busy. He's aware of at least some of what they're doing.