Diablo IV

[KIss My Ass]

Literally just a collection of strawmen. Who is STRUGGLING with this game at any point? It's so easy you couldn't be blamed for falling asleep out of boredom. Calling the mechanics shit has nothing to do with difficulty.

This is a tried and true deceptive strategy of fanboys that was perfected by the Dark Souls fandom. Someone criticizing the genius of From Software? It can't be because they have legitimate design disagreements, it must be because they suck at the game! Nevermind if they've already beaten it or had zero problems ever with any challenge in the game, just call them CASULS and GIT GUD!

Don't even bring Dark Souls into this douchetard. You can search my entire post history, I've never once accused somebody's distaste for those games being due to them being terrible at the game. I hate Souls fans who do that. They give the fanbase a bad rap. I spend far more time attacking other Souls fans than I do people who hate Souls games in general.

 

[abija]

Lol no. There are exactly three viable builds for Barb: bleed build, HOTA and WW. Double swing and upheaval is not viable. There aren’t even any passives for dual swords or axes. Literally even casuals are complaining about builds being limited.

Define viable first.

There aren’t even any passives for dual swords or axes.

What the actual fuck are you talking about?

 

[Saravan]

Lol no. There are exactly three viable builds for Barb: bleed build, HOTA and WW. Double swing and upheaval is not viable. There aren’t even any passives for dual swords or axes. Literally even casuals are complaining about builds being limited.

Define viable first.

There aren’t even any passives for dual swords or axes.

What the actual fuck are you talking about?

Viable is doing WT4 NMD at least into tier +30 (approx. lvl 70-80) you are going to struggle with those builds.

Barb has no skill passives relating to 1H Swords or Axes, only Maces. I’m excluding the one odd rare glyph or two on the paragon board.

 

[Yosharian]

I think these are all valid points but can we remember that POE has been around for TEN YEARS while D4 just launched?

I think it is a little unfair to point out that POE has all this build variety compared to D4 tbh

 

[KIss My Ass]

I dunno, I think it's kind of pathetic that D4 just launched and it's already better than 10 year old PoE.

 

[Saravan]

The irony of you going hurr-durr you only played beta, then you have this campaign Andy going "sO mAnY bArB bUiLdS". You wanna run higher tier NMD (end game) then your build is forced into all three shouts + basic attack generator + core skill (HOTA, bleed or WW). You might get away with replacing one shout (for rend in bleed) but that's about it. There is not a single barb unique either that changes in any meaningful way you play your build. A 20 year old game has more barb builds.

 

[KIss My Ass]

It's a fair argument that all beta players should shut their cocksucker. They have no frame of reference. You are like females butting into a male conversation.

 

[abija]

Viable is doing WT4 NMD at least into tier +30 (approx. lvl 70-80) you are going to struggle with those builds.

Bleed and ww also struggle at 70+. I've seen some guy with double swing close to 80 and seemed similar. And ds looked better than ww on lilith from what I've seen. Thorns also works 70+.

Barb has no skill passives relating to 1H Swords or Axes, only Maces. I’m excluding the one odd rare glyph or two on the paragon board.

Could you point the fucking thing you complain about?

 

[Saravan]

Viable is doing WT4 NMD at least into tier +30 (approx. lvl 70-80) you are going to struggle with those builds.

Bleed and ww also struggle at 70+. I've seen some guy with double swing close to 80 and seemed similar. And ds looked better than ww on lilith from what I've seen. Thorns also works 70+.

Barb has no skill passives relating to 1H Swords or Axes, only Maces. I’m excluding the one odd rare glyph or two on the paragon board.

Could you point the fucking thing you complain about?

WW struggles now after nerf. I'm not sure what you are defining as viable here but you are definitely not clearing shit up with double swing in any reasonable time. Hence, the word 'struggling'. Thorns relies on a unique, it's the item not the class that makes it.

Why are being so obtuse regarding 1H Swords or Axes? Why even have these item types in the game if you aren't going to support them in any of your classes. I understand you are a bit mentally challenged but that issue should be obvious.

 

[ArchAngel]

At around lvl 25-30 your build will effectively be the same for the rest of the game. Same skill rotation etc.

I've never seen so much ignorance and lieing in a thread before. Levels 25-30 barely qualify as a tutorial. You people are morons and liars. I hate to be an asshole but you deserve to be called out.

We understand your casual ass like to be buttfucked by casual or popamole games but there is no need to share that with us every 5 minutes

I remember similar opinions from you about Phoenix Point.
Also find it disingenious you played the beta only, watched some youtube vids and suddently are expert on the game.
Sad!

Phoenix Point is nowhere close to casual LOL. It might not be an excellent game but it is not a casual one.

 

[Yosharian]

At around lvl 25-30 your build will effectively be the same for the rest of the game. Same skill rotation etc.

I've never seen so much ignorance and lieing in a thread before. Levels 25-30 barely qualify as a tutorial. You people are morons and liars. I hate to be an asshole but you deserve to be called out.

We understand your casual ass like to be buttfucked by casual or popamole games but there is no need to share that with us every 5 minutes

I remember similar opinions from you about Phoenix Point.
Also find it disingenious you played the beta only, watched some youtube vids and suddently are expert on the game.
Sad!

Phoenix Point is nowhere close to casual LOL. It might not be an excellent game but it is not a casual one.

I heard it's fucking terrible

 

[ArchAngel]

At around lvl 25-30 your build will effectively be the same for the rest of the game. Same skill rotation etc.

I've never seen so much ignorance and lieing in a thread before. Levels 25-30 barely qualify as a tutorial. You people are morons and liars. I hate to be an asshole but you deserve to be called out.

We understand your casual ass like to be buttfucked by casual or popamole games but there is no need to share that with us every 5 minutes

I remember similar opinions from you about Phoenix Point.
Also find it disingenious you played the beta only, watched some youtube vids and suddently are expert on the game.
Sad!

Phoenix Point is nowhere close to casual LOL. It might not be an excellent game but it is not a casual one.

I heard it's fucking terrible

It was pretty bad at release. Now after years of patching, DLCs and its own version of Long War mod (Terror from the Void) it is a good game.

 

[abija]

WW struggles now after nerf. I'm not sure what you are defining as viable here but you are definitely not clearing shit up with double swing in any reasonable time. Hence, the word 'struggling'. Thorns relies on a unique, it's the item not the class that makes it.

All builds (that can even do it) struggle in that content (hota the least). That was the point because it's probably overtuned. You're doing the equivalent of complaining about build diversity in deep delve.
Thorns actually has multiple aspects and talents that support it. It's not just that chest that makes it work. It's definetly a class thing.

Why are being so obtuse regarding 1H Swords or Axes? Why even have these item types in the game if you aren't going to support them in any of your classes. I understand you are a bit mentally challenged but that issue should be obvious.

I am not obtuse, I really don't understand what you complain about. There are 1h passives and glyphs, dual wield only skills, all weapon types have expertises. I don't see how 1h maces are "supported" but 1h axes and swords not.

 

[Saravan]

WW struggles now after nerf. I'm not sure what you are defining as viable here but you are definitely not clearing shit up with double swing in any reasonable time. Hence, the word 'struggling'. Thorns relies on a unique, it's the item not the class that makes it.

All builds (that can even do it) struggle in that content, that was the point because it's probably overtuned, hota the least. You're doing the equivalent of complaining about build diversity in deep delve.

Why are being so obtuse regarding 1H Swords or Axes? Why even have these item types in the game if you aren't going to support them in any of your classes. I understand you are a bit mentally challenged but that issue should be obvious.

I am not obtuse, I really don't understand what you complain about. I don't see how 1h maces are "supported" but 1h axes and swords not.

Yeah, no. End game for lvl 70-80 is significantly more varied in other ARPGs. Not comparable at all. It would be one thing to talk about what is capable at lvl +95. That's the equivalent of deep delve.

1H in general are badly supported in this game, which is absolutely retarded for a barbarian class. Maces at least have wallop and concussion passives and no mercy. These all synergize with stunned effects together with enchanced double swing. You are basically gimping yourself even harder trying to go swords or axes with a DS build. Before you run to icy veins or w/e to prove swords work, those builds rely on extremely rare uniques.

 

[abija]

Yeah, no. End game for lvl 70-80 is significantly more varied in other ARPGs. Not comparable at all. It would be one thing to talk about what is capable at lvl +95. That's the equivalent of deep delve.

Got confused by your wording. I thought you meant +30 lvls over 100, nightmare 70-80.

For leveling 70+ there are many viable builds. You don't even need razorplate for thorns for example. Pretty much any build with modicum of synergy and some common sense works. All the core skills absolutely work, being carried by unbridled rage.

1H in general are badly supported in this game, which is absolutely retarded for a barbarian class. Maces at least have wallop and concussion passives and no mercy. These all synergize with stunned effects together with enchanced double swing. You are basically gimping yourself even harder trying to go swords or axes with a DS build. Before you run to icy veins or w/e to prove swords work, those builds rely on extremely rare uniques.

Wallop and concussion are bludgeoning effects. Not everything has to be equal, just like you can only ww bleed with slashing.
No mercy can be applied with bleeds so not a mace only thing.
If you are so concerned with damage balance, did you consider the overpower implict on maces isn't well supported with dual wield (at least atm)?
A lot of mechanics for barbarians revolve around weapon swaps and somehow you decided 1h are badly supported...

 

[Saravan]

Lmao no, there is one key passive that is about weapon swap and a few aspects. That’s not ‘a lot of mechanics’. In fact, all good builds rely either on unbridled rage or bleed passive so it's not even a relevant mechanic besides looking to proc weapon swap aspects (which are sub-par to other aspects for those builds).

I’m not concerned with damage balance cuts as 1H are just completely shit compared to 2H since the devs couldn’t even implement basic shit for one handers. My point was that only 1H maces are specifically covered at all for one handers, and even then it’s just objectively worse build than any 2H build. Imagine being satisfied with such level of build simplicity but I guess you gotta be to enjoy D4.

 

[abija]

Maces are not specificaly covered. They're included in bludgeoning just like axes/swords are included in slashing.
You're not concerned with damage balance but all your complaints are random autistic problems derived from what you think balance is.

The weapon systems for barbarian it's new interesting and solid. Wait no, fuck that shit, number of 2h passives is higher than 1h passives => omg devs completely ignored 1 handers. You're basically reverse Rhykker or maybe llama when he doesn't censor himself.

 

[Saravan]

Maces are not specificaly covered. They're included in bludgeoning just like axes/swords are included in slashing.
You're not concerned with damage balance but all your complaints are random autistic problems derived from what you think balance is.

The weapon systems for barbarian it's new interesting and solid. Wait no, fuck that shit, number of 2h passives is higher than 1h passives => omg devs completely ignored 1 handers. You're basically reverse Rhykker.

Retarded semantics, bludgeoning = mace weapon class, slashing = axes/swords. Same shit.

There is a fundamental issue if two item types in the game (1H axes and swords) are made irrelevant by just the skill tree and the entire weapon group (1H) are objectively worse than their 2H counterparts. Jesus you have downs or something.

 

[KIss My Ass]

Maces are not specificaly covered. They're included in bludgeoning just like axes/swords are included in slashing.
You're not concerned with damage balance but all your complaints are random autistic problems derived from what you think balance is.

The weapon systems for barbarian it's new interesting and solid. Wait no, fuck that shit, number of 2h passives is higher than 1h passives => omg devs completely ignored 1 handers. You're basically reverse Rhykker or maybe llama when he doesn't censor himself.

I have no idea what abija is talking about because I haven't played as a barb but I know he owns the game and that makes him a based chad who is downright embarassing these beta playin fools.

Keep clownin on em bruv. Btw I reached wt3, awwww yeah

 

[Zeriel]

Maces are not specificaly covered. They're included in bludgeoning just like axes/swords are included in slashing.
You're not concerned with damage balance but all your complaints are random autistic problems derived from what you think balance is.

The weapon systems for barbarian it's new interesting and solid. Wait no, fuck that shit, number of 2h passives is higher than 1h passives => omg devs completely ignored 1 handers. You're basically reverse Rhykker or maybe llama when he doesn't censor himself.

I have no idea what abija is talking about because I haven't played as a barb but I know he owns the game and that makes him a based chad who is downright embarassing these beta playin fools.

Keep clownin on em bruv. Btw I reached wt3, awwww yeah

lol you JUST reached wt3? Suddenly this explains so much.

 

[KIss My Ass]

lol you JUST reached wt3? Suddenly this explains so much.

I have a job and a life faggot. Believe me if I could just sit on my ass and live this game 24/7 I would.

Also never forget..

You're basically at the point right before the bottom falls out. By level 25 you've seen 99% of what the game has to offer. After level 25, how your character plays doesn't change whatsoever, end-game and all content after level 25 is just repeating what you've already seen over and over, etc. I could go on, but that's the gist of it.

You said that, which means you have no idea what you're talking about. You're full of shit. A bullshitter, as the common saying goes. You try to act like you know things when you don't actually know anything. Poser, fake, fraud, all sorts of words describe you. But I just like calling you a fucking liar. Gtfo.

 

[Zeriel]

Yep, everything I said was true, it's just funny you're ranting about how anyone who criticizes the game sucks when you weren't even in the very beginning of endgame. Ironically, all your accusations of people talking about shit they don't know anything about describes yourself to a tee.

 

[abija]

Retarded semantics, bludgeoning = mace weapon class, slashing = axes/swords. Same shit.

There is a fundamental issue if two item types in the game (1H axes and swords) are made irrelevant by just the skill tree and the entire weapon group (1H) are objectively worse than their 2H counterparts. Jesus you have downs or something.

You are calling something that's only happening in your head (and even if it was true, worst case scenario would require minor percentage adjustments to some talents) a "fundamental issue".
Meanwhile, keywords used by the game systems are "retarded semantics, same shit".

Something like "not enough skills (as in actual abilities)" is a fundamental issue. Whatever autistic bullshit of the day you come up with... it's just that.

Zeriel you might want to check some of the fights he clipped before engaging.

 

[luj1]

I dunno, I think it's kind of pathetic that D4 just launched and it's already better than 10 year old PoE.

D4 has the better production standard and art direction (not hard to beat PoE in those)

It's worse in everything else

 

[KIss My Ass]

Yep, everything I said was true, it's just funny you're ranting about how anyone who criticizes the game sucks when you weren't even in the very beginning of endgame. Ironically, all your accusations of people talking about shit they don't know anything about describes yourself to a tee.

You said that at level 25 you have basically seen the entire game. I'm not the one who needs to be defending my words right now. You made an ass of yourself and now you need to own up to it. Do it, it cleanses the spirit.