Diablo IV

[Reinhardt]

Your build will change after level 50 once you find uniques , for exemple i found some gloves as necro making the corpse explosion skill an homing missile and 40% damage more to boost,then you can convert it to darkness damage so i respeced completely and went full darkness saccing every minions, using bone tempest , and every darkness dots possible. Each darkness hit triggering crowd controls effects, so had to change my gear to enhance both dot damage and crowd control.

This guy explains the game pretty well

People need to stop judging their experiences at prior to 50.

Some people might struggle from 1-50, but it's usually because their build is very bad. If your build is rational, it will clear your time through 1-50.

The game doesn't actually get frustrating until WT3 and definitely in WT4. The amount of rationally-constructed builds that you can make starts to shrink more and more until you just arrive at close-combat builds that take advantage of the aspect of control scaling bonuses. Nothing else seems to do very well anymore, and ranged-oriented builds like chain lightning and frozen orb are quite bad. There's no way you would know this at level 30 or 40 or 50 or even 58.

As someone who is very, very far into the game, I honestly have to say that 1-50 is just a tiny portion of your character journey. It's so tiny, it kind of doesn't matter. You're not terribly concerned with gear. You don't have to figure out the paragon board. You don't have access to unique items and new aspects that drop outside of the codex of power, you are not leveling glyphs, you're not really looking for ways to scale your damage beyond using Vulnerable, etc. There's a lot of the game you're just not getting into yet.

People need to stop thinking their character journey at level 40 or 50 will translate to the end-game at level 70+. It doesn't.

1-50 = Tutorial
50-70 = Mid-Game
70-100 = Endgame, and some would split this up from 70-90 and 90-100.

And this is why people bitching in here who only played the beta or read some random crap posted by noobs have no idea wtf they are talking about. Their opinions are useless.

so you got filtered by tutorial bosses. it's literally game journo-tier. why someone should care about your opinion?

 

[Reinhardt]

Who is STRUGGLING with this game at any point?

sdg

 

[Zeriel]

Yep, everything I said was true, it's just funny you're ranting about how anyone who criticizes the game sucks when you weren't even in the very beginning of endgame. Ironically, all your accusations of people talking about shit they don't know anything about describes yourself to a tee.

You said that at level 25 you have basically seen the entire game. I'm not the one who needs to be defending my words right now. You made an ass of yourself and now you need to own up to it. Do it, it cleanses the spirit.

Yes, and I stand by my words. Apparently, you can't read, so I'll just keep repeating this until you learn to.

By level 25 you have all of your skill slots and have unlocked access to every major ability your class has. Only exceptions off the top of my head are some specializations, which aren't much.

 

[KIss My Ass]

Yep, everything I said was true, it's just funny you're ranting about how anyone who criticizes the game sucks when you weren't even in the very beginning of endgame. Ironically, all your accusations of people talking about shit they don't know anything about describes yourself to a tee.

You said that at level 25 you have basically seen the entire game. I'm not the one who needs to be defending my words right now. You made an ass of yourself and now you need to own up to it. Do it, it cleanses the spirit.

Yes, and I stand by my words. Apparently, you can't read, so I'll just keep repeating this until you learn to.

By level 25 you have all of your skill slots and have unlocked access to every major ability your class has. Only exceptions off the top of my head are some specializations, which aren't much.

Keep dieing on that sword dude. I don't even have to say anything to make you look like an idiot. What you're doing right now is impressive af.

Btw I'm tired of feeling ashamed of spelling dying as "dieing". I don't care if it's wrong. Dieing sounds like the more correct spelling. "Dying" sounds retarded and I will not spell it that way anymore. Sometimes you just gotta follow your instinct. "Dying" is shit spelling. I'll fight any english expert about it.

 

[Iluvcheezcake]

Yep, everything I said was true, it's just funny you're ranting about how anyone who criticizes the game sucks when you weren't even in the very beginning of endgame. Ironically, all your accusations of people talking about shit they don't know anything about describes yourself to a tee.

You said that at level 25 you have basically seen the entire game. I'm not the one who needs to be defending my words right now. You made an ass of yourself and now you need to own up to it. Do it, it cleanses the spirit.

Yes, and I stand by my words. Apparently, you can't read, so I'll just keep repeating this until you learn to.

By level 25 you have all of your skill slots and have unlocked access to every major ability your class has. Only exceptions off the top of my head are some specializations, which aren't much.

Not really true m8.

 

[Zeriel]

Yep, everything I said was true, it's just funny you're ranting about how anyone who criticizes the game sucks when you weren't even in the very beginning of endgame. Ironically, all your accusations of people talking about shit they don't know anything about describes yourself to a tee.

You said that at level 25 you have basically seen the entire game. I'm not the one who needs to be defending my words right now. You made an ass of yourself and now you need to own up to it. Do it, it cleanses the spirit.

Yes, and I stand by my words. Apparently, you can't read, so I'll just keep repeating this until you learn to.

By level 25 you have all of your skill slots and have unlocked access to every major ability your class has. Only exceptions off the top of my head are some specializations, which aren't much.

Not really true m8.

Okay, explain why it isn't then.

 

[KIss My Ass]

Gotta give props to this dude. Wouldnt have beat the capstone boss without him tonight:



I totally delivered the killing blow btw but still he helped

 

[KIss My Ass]

Okay, explain why it isn't then.

It has been explained many times by numerous people.

 

[Geisler]

Lol yeah some of these stronghold bosses are just bogus. You need a party to beat some of them. It's a joke. Like Rashka and the Kor Dragan dude, once they start summoning enemies it's game over solo. Not even a case of git good. Just retarded game design. I lowered the world tier and I still can't beat Rashka.

I melt them solo on world tier 4 , you need better items and build. Same for nightmare dungeons no issues at all. You need uniques and build centered around them.

That's what i was thinking as well, and i'm playing as a nerfed into the ground Rogue. It's funny, there's people ITT dumping on this game left right and centre, but they can't even build something that beats content most casual dad's are beating on their baby toon.

Sometimes i think 90% of the codex blows hot air and doesn't even know what they're talking about when criticising a game. Then i take a quick glance at the codex Steam group and and i'm seeing titles like "Cook, Serve, Delicious", "Elder Turds Online", "Kingdoms of Faggotry", "The Elder Scrolls V: Skyshit".

Spoiler

Yeah, play a game yourself if you want a real opinion folks. Sometimes i can't take some shit i see around here seriously anymore.

 

[Fedora Master]

toon

 

[Zeriel]

Okay, explain why it isn't then.

It has been explained many times by numerous people.

No, you've done no explaining, only ad hominem attacks.

Lol yeah some of these stronghold bosses are just bogus. You need a party to beat some of them. It's a joke. Like Rashka and the Kor Dragan dude, once they start summoning enemies it's game over solo. Not even a case of git good. Just retarded game design. I lowered the world tier and I still can't beat Rashka.

I melt them solo on world tier 4 , you need better items and build. Same for nightmare dungeons no issues at all. You need uniques and build centered around them.

That's what i was thinking as well, and i'm playing as a nerfed into the ground Rogue. It's funny, there's people ITT dumping on this game left right and centre, but they can't even build something that beats content most casual dad's are beating on their baby toon.

Sometimes i think 90% of the codex blows hot air and doesn't even know what they're talking about when criticising a game. Then i take a quick glance at the codex Steam group and and i'm seeing titles like "Cook, Serve, Delicious", "Elder Turds Online", "Kingdoms of Faggotry", "The Elder Scrolls V: Skyshit".

Spoiler

Yeah, play a game yourself if you want a real opinion folks. Sometimes i can't take some shit i see around here seriously anymore.

Not sure what you're talking about, the guy you're quoting is the one saying the game is awesome, while the people dumping on it find it easy.

 

[KIss My Ass]

I only have problems with two of the stronghold bosses. Kol Dragan dude because he summons 3 unkillable enemies (basically the gank squad from Dark Souls 2 but 10x worse) and Rashka who summons a fuckload of clones of herself. I've solo killed the other stronghold bosses.

 

[Grampy_Bone]

https://www.esquire.com/entertainment/a44132115/diablo-iv-video-game/

*sigh.* Fucking game journalists.

it was also the grandfather of action role-playing games like Elden Ring and Assassin’s Creed.

There is ZERO Diablo DNA in either of these games. They don't even have randomized loot or levels. Assassin's Creed was spun off from Prince of Persia which clearly has nothing to do with Rogue and pre-dates Diablo, while Elden Ring has an unbroken chain of Fromsoft titles all the way to King's Field to draw from, which also pre-dates Diablo. Not to mention Elder Scrolls, which pre-dates Diablo and was drawn from Legend of Valour and Darklands, also pre-diablo, etc.

Sorry, I know that has nothing to do with the point you're making, but it's an example of Gell-Mann Amnesia. If a writer makes such stupid basic errors, why should I read a single piece of drivel they write?

 

[abija]

SDG where's the clip of you doing Cathedral of Light?

Gotta give props to this dude. Wouldnt have beat the capstone boss without him tonight

Could have bet. Did you apply to IGN yet? Add your first 3 firewall casts as bullet proof CV.

 

[KIss My Ass]

No, you've done no explaining, only ad hominem attacks.

Your argument is that at lvl 25 you've seen everything the game has to offer. That is what YOU said. You don't unlock the paragon board until lvl 50. You don't even have the full skill tree unlocked at 25. At lvl 25 you are still in the peeing while sitting down phase. You're a dipshit and I'm putting you on ignore.

 

[Zeriel]

Yes, take your ball and run away crying.

 

[abija]

At level 25 you've seen everything non numerical the game has to offer at this point. Or more precisely, everything good the game has to offer.
Paragons/extra points in tree just offer numerical changes. Yes some builds become possible etc, but it's not hard to extrapolate.

LE: My bad, there's echo of lilith and very high nightmare dungeons but I doubt many people will actually get to those. You've still seen everything your char can do.

 

[Grampy_Bone]

Honestly before talking about difficulty you should state what Tier you're playing on.

 

[KIss My Ass]

SDG where's the clip of you doing Cathedral of Light?

I actually intended to upload that but it was over an hour long and there were long periods of me being away from the game. It would have been a boring upload.

 

[Grampy_Bone]

At level 25 you've seen everything non numerical the game has to offer at this point.

There are rare aspects that are item-only that can still change up skills, e.g. there is a rogue aspect that makes Rapid-fire ricochet making it viable for AoE. It's not a huge shift but it does contradict this statement.

I guess the complaint following this that I find puzzling is, what did you expect? I would agree you level too fast, I'm barely through act 2 and I'm level 35--I recall in D2 you were lucky to hit 30 by end game. But are you expecting the game to keep providing new skills all the way to level 99? And stay balanced? How many games are designed that way? I think in almost any RPG your character powers mostly unlock and are solidified after the midgame at the latest. D2 certainly didn't have paragon levels or any goofy stuff like that, and the postgame was largely about keeping your defenses up and finding enough mana leech to spam your one skill the whole game. D4 is also vastly deeper than the puddle of D3, anyone saying otherwise is just trolling.

 

[Reinhardt]

There are rare aspects that are item-only that can still change up skills, e.g. there is a rogue aspect that makes Rapid-fire ricochet making it viable for AoE. It's not a huge shift but it does contradict this statement.

tho with beta throwing orange items like candies average beta player probably experienced more build options than someone like sdg, even at lvl 25.

 

[HeatEXTEND]

D4 has the better production standard and art direction (not hard to beat PoE in those)

It's worse in everything else

Even art direction is better, some good shit if you take a little time to actually look at enemies/doodads, has a certain honesty/grit to it.

 

[abija]

...
I guess the complaint following this that I find puzzling is, what did you expect?
...

Not sure you actually followed the discussion.

 

[spectre]

There are rare aspects that are item-only that can still change up skills, e.g. there is a rogue aspect that makes Rapid-fire ricochet making it viable for AoE. It's not a huge shift but it does contradict this statement.

There are even better examples when you look at the druid, certains aspects really turn some of the skills around.
Just to give a few examples, off the top of my head:
Dire Wolf's Aspect - Grizzly Rage now turns you into a Greater Werewolf (instead of a werebear) - a skill one probably wouldn't even consider in any way part of a werewolf build can now become a centerpiece.
Aspect of Metamorphic Stone - Boulder is now a Core skill, which fundamentally changes its operation (spirit cost vs. cooldown), it also means it now synergizes with other stuff:
e.g. Aspect of Retaliation (+% damage to core skills based on amount of fortify), or that other aspect that makes basic skills power up core skills, or that legendary ring that works on core skills.

IMO, this already showcases that they can easily add depth to the system if they need/want to (skill synergies operate on tags which can be manipulated like this),
but will they actually? Fuck knows. This is Blizzard, they are able to screw things up in mysterious ways.

I could agree with the general sentiment that D4's skill tree doesn't make a particularly great first impression, only a few skills, some offering better dps up front,
then a single binary choice that doesn't really seem that difficult to make, and then you get all these dinky +1% to this and +5% to that you see on various passives,
but it does come together as something that's more than a sum of its parts - but needs to be put in a context of playing the game way past 25 levels.
It's a weird hill to die on anyway. In all the games in the genre there comes a point where you've basically "seen it all,"
but here it only "gets there" after world tier III and once you slog past the main campaign (I was not a fan).

So yeah, saying you played the server slams means you barely got the tip in. Granted, the thing isn't particularly lengthy, but still just the tip.

 

[Fedora Master]

SDG where's the clip of you doing Cathedral of Light?

I actually intended to upload that but it was over an hour long and there were long periods of me being away from the game. It would have been a boring upload.

You know you can edit videos, right?