Diablo IV

[Skinwalker]

We literally see souls of dead barbarians in Mephisto's realm during the D4 campaign (he says they are bleeding over from Baal's domain), how fucking retarded do you have to be to think "there is no afterlife" in Diablo lore. Who do you think are all the deformed human shapes reaching out of the floor/pillars/whatever in hell?

There is an afterlife, and people go to heaven/hell depending on whether they were more aligned with their angelic or demonic half during their life.

What makes Diablo 4 unnecessarily bleak is that the heavens are presented as cold, distant, and uncaring. The only angel we see in the entire game is Inarius, who is written to be a complete moron who gets easily played by Lilith (maybe finish killing her before starting to despair that your fellow angels don't want you back) and then viciously murdered. But then again, what else would you expect from a game written by dieversity hires and atheists?

 

[Skinwalker]

Sure we do not know how Angels and Demons also came to be but since we do not have that info we can consider them to exist since the start of time/world.

Yes we do, you fucking moron. Angels came from Anu, the primordial being of good, and demons came from Tathamet, the primordial evil, that Anu removed from himself. It's a dumb and gnostic creation story, but it does exist, and you don't even know about it. Idiot.

 

[PorkyThePaladin]

Lol. Liberal getting upset about a video game creation story. News at 11.

Anyways, a couple of things they need to clean up:

1. Those fucking vending shrines during helltides, the good ones (mystery, heavy weapons) being invisible until you are next to them is retarded. I don't need to spend time looking for that shit, just need to slaughter and turn shit in.

2. Those flying wraith bitches that always kite you are fucking annoying. What's the point, you always need to chase after them 2 steps, brings nothing but annoyance.

3. Loot and gold and cinders and other drops falling with a delay. This slows you down from your kill/loot cycle. You always gotta run back and retrieve that shit.

 

[ArchAngel]

Sure we do not know how Angels and Demons also came to be but since we do not have that info we can consider them to exist since the start of time/world.

Yes we do, you fucking moron. Angels came from Anu, the primordial being of good, and demons came from Tathamet, the primordial evil, that Anu removed from himself. It's a dumb and gnostic creation story, but it does exist, and you don't even know about it. Idiot.

It must be from one of the retarded D3 lore books.. why are you rotting your brain with that shit?
D3 also introduced Nephilim as some kind of superhumans that show up later than heroes that already beat Diablo (twice) and his brothers.. it is all retarded

 

[Crispy]

Diablo has lore books?

 

[ArchAngel]

The best thing Diablo gave me was it's legendary soundtrack and a sense of dark gothic atmosphere. Tristram theme, man.

Other than that, it's a satanic psyop. I've tried to replay it some time ago and it just didn't clicked with me.

I missed this earlier. You're saying the game encourages satanism? Bruv the over arching plot is about destroying evil.

Yeah, that's what I mean. It's right in the ending cinematic, in which the hero became the new devil.
Who was victorious that day, heaven or hell? Next funny thing is they made a sequel in which former hero is slain. No salvation, no redemption.
Diablo IV is rated M, so teenagers as young as 17 year olds can play it and be exposed to dark themes and get hooked on the Diablo series. This should be an adult only game.

You don't technically know what happens to the original hero in the afterlife. He/she made the ultimate sacrifice to save everyone. I can't imagine any bad afterlife for the original Diablo heroes. They sacrificed more than anyone.

There is no afterlife for humans, they are beings that got created as a rebellious move by two stronger beings. Sanctuary is not our world, humans might as well be AI or computer programs in our world. When they "die" they stop existing.
Sure we do not know how Angels and Demons also came to be but since we do not have that info we can consider them to exist since the start of time/world.

Then how are humans capable of defeating Lillith and Inarius, the "mother and father"? They are technically God to us mortals. I have to brush up on my Diablo lore. 3 pretty much made everything retarded. This game seems like an honest attempt to salvage what 3 destroyed. I get the sense there is some sort of afterlife for humans in Sanctuary, beyond all the petty BS between demons and angels.

Because angels and demons used Worldstone to create Sanctuary and Worldstone is some more powerful magic.. but not powerful enough to resist Bhaal from corrupting it or Tyrael from one shoting it after that

 

[ArchAngel]

Diablo has lore books?

And Novels, lots of them

 

[Average Manatee]

Diablo has lore books?

Games used to come with manuals...

 

[Grampy_Bone]

Wouldn't recommend if you're after another PoE that you'll be playing forever and ever, but if you want something bite-sized to spend 10-20hrs on and be done with, it does the job.

Mostly I posted this to mollify the people saying "Diablo 4 is the worst thing ever made by humans literally unplayable casual garbage -1000/10."

But the fact that Wolcen is pretty much one and done game is a selling point to me. I liked how each skill had it's own skill tree, and the combat had a nice meaty punch to it, without the potato graphics of Grim Dawn or the bland mushiness of PoE. Heck, some of the spells look and feel way cooler than similar effects in Diablo 4 (compare Chain Lightnings, for example).

I don't know why this subgenre specifically is expected to have infinite "endgame" content, which just means repeating the same monsters with ever increasing stats. At some point don't you get bored? When I said Nioh 2 was boring (a soulslike action game but still has Diablo loot), I was told the "real game" doesn't begin until you've finished it three times. I've had the same thing said about Grim Dawn, among others. Why do we keep going back to the Diablo 2 three-tier difficulty replay system? While I finished the story of D2 three times vanilla (paladin, amazon, barb) and once with the expansion (assassin), I only ever bothered to play one character through Nightmare, and none through Hell. I just got sick of it.

None of my favorite games have an "endgame" to speak of (Fallout 2, Deus Ex, Wizardry 8) and certainly aren't the lesser for it. I've replayed these games countless times despite only ever having the same content. I'd love a high level Wiz8 expansion but not an endless churn of randomized drops. Even old roguelikes weren't designed that way, you were lucky to beat them at all, let alone complain about not having any more content after the endboss. Some games have a post-main boss epilogue or final dungeon with some extra level of challenge, but you're still not meant to play it forever. I think PoE was immeasurably improved when they made the main game 5 acts with a single repeat, although there's still the ten thousand other dungeons to grind. If the main campaign is not the "real game," what is? Why not just make that then and forget the campaign? I feel like designing games this way dilutes the normal experience and skews the content behind busywork.

Diablo 4 does this to some extent by holding back the paragon system and other features until level 50, but it's open world so it feels more balanced at least.

 

[abija]

But Wolcen has end game content. The idea is even very solid. Whole game is just a buggy unfinished mess, that's the main issue with it.

 

[KIss My Ass]

I know I've personally been doing a little off-topic posting ITT myself so I'm trying not to sound like a hypocrite here, but posting videos about pornstars is a little over-the-top.

Diablo IV talk only.

I briefly mentioned and talked about her for a few seconds in like a 10 minute fucking video that was mostly about D4. You are growing more retarded by the day.

 

[spectre]

Whole game is just a buggy unfinished mess, that's the main issue with it.

That's a fair assessment for its launch day and later on people would even lose progress as the devs were bugfixing.
As for now, I managed to finish the main story and there were no game breaking bugs, though I played offline.
It was mostly minor and simply annoying stuff, like dropped items sometimes not showing and movement skills being blocked by scenery.

Mostly I posted this to mollify the people saying "Diablo 4 is the worst thing ever made by humans literally unplayable casual garbage -1000/10."

Well, I for one feel the game is being held to some ridiculously high imagined standard. That's what arpgs have always been in a nutshell:
casual garbage for people who don't even like rpgs. Mindless clicking and a guilty pleasure. You click monsters and they explode funny.
If anything, the series is a victim of its own success (to be fair, D2 was where they took it over the roof. I remember teenage me being hyped out of my fucking skull).
Like a video game version of the sequel syndrome that's spiraled out of control a long time ago... and now we're here.

Why do we keep going back to the Diablo 2 three-tier difficulty replay system? While I finished the story of D2 three times vanilla (paladin, amazon, barb) and once with the expansion (assassin), I only ever bothered to play one character through Nightmare, and none through Hell. I just got sick of it.

Though I can understand the logic behind Nightmare difficulty - your character build is finished, how about we take it for one more spin, but we won't be pulling any punches this time.
I agree. Beating the same shit three times is tedious. It was doable for D2 without LoD, but with LoD... it's just a slog.
D4 seems to try and go around it by letting you skip the main story and use the open world structure so that it doesn't get tedious.
This sorta works, got 3 chars to level 50 before it started to feel weary. Mostly due to the content recycling which becomes noticeable after a time.
Ultimately, I blame all this on designers trying to marry the single player roguelike roots with the expectations of the MMO streamer crowd - people who expect a game to be a full-time job.
This just doesn't gel and one player group is bound to be left behind.

 

[KIss My Ass]

We literally see souls of dead barbarians in Mephisto's realm during the D4 campaign (he says they are bleeding over from Baal's domain), how fucking retarded do you have to be to think "there is no afterlife" in Diablo lore. Who do you think are all the deformed human shapes reaching out of the floor/pillars/whatever in hell?

There is an afterlife, and people go to heaven/hell depending on whether they were more aligned with their angelic or demonic half during their life.

What makes Diablo 4 unnecessarily bleak is that the heavens are presented as cold, distant, and uncaring. The only angel we see in the entire game is Inarius, who is written to be a complete moron who gets easily played by Lilith (maybe finish killing her before starting to despair that your fellow angels don't want you back) and then viciously murdered. But then again, what else would you expect from a game written by dieversity hires and atheists?

I mean Inarius did technically help you the hero, albeit indirectly and totally unintentionally. He wounded Lilith pretty severly, which canonically speaking is the reason why the hero is able to defeat her at the end of the campaign. Without him you would have had to basically face "uber Lilith".

 

[KIss My Ass]

I'm actually really hyped for the expansion and seeing what they do with Mephisto. These writers are not terrible.

 

[Grampy_Bone]

Overall I am pleasantly surprised by Diablo 4. I wasn't planning to get it at all before receiving it as a gift, and went in with no expectations. But I'm having an enjoyable time on veteran from the start, the fights actually have some bite to them, I've had to actually think about my build, and I didn't even know it was open world (thanks for nothing game journos).

 

[KIss My Ass]

Overall I am pleasantly surprised by Diablo 4. I wasn't planning to get it at all before receiving it as a gift, and went in with no expectations. But I'm having an enjoyable time on veteran from the start, the fights actually have some bite to them, I've had to actually think about my build, and I didn't even know it was open world (thanks for nothing game journos).

Lol wat? That was like it's huge selling point. Seems like they brought it up every chance they could in all the marketing videos.

 

[Filthy Sauce]

We literally see souls of dead barbarians in Mephisto's realm during the D4 campaign (he says they are bleeding over from Baal's domain), how fucking retarded do you have to be to think "there is no afterlife" in Diablo lore. Who do you think are all the deformed human shapes reaching out of the floor/pillars/whatever in hell?

There is an afterlife, and people go to heaven/hell depending on whether they were more aligned with their angelic or demonic half during their life.

What makes Diablo 4 unnecessarily bleak is that the heavens are presented as cold, distant, and uncaring. The only angel we see in the entire game is Inarius, who is written to be a complete moron who gets easily played by Lilith (maybe finish killing her before starting to despair that your fellow angels don't want you back) and then viciously murdered. But then again, what else would you expect from a game written by dieversity hires and atheists?

I mean Inarius did technically help you the hero, albeit indirectly and totally unintentionally. He wounded Lilith pretty severly, which canonically speaking is the reason why the hero is able to defeat her at the end of the campaign. Without him you would have had to basically face "uber Lilith".

Damn you SDG. Lol. I was going to post a length reply why I thought Rathmas (or IMHO Mephisto's) 'prophecy' was too disconnected / unnecessary to the plot. Of what you're saying is true then the Lilith vs Inarius scenario actually means something.

 

[KIss My Ass]

I'm not an expert in Diablo lore but it's pretty plainly stated in the game that you have to go after her while she's hurt. If you had to fight her at full power she would probably ass rape you with a strap-on.

 

[KIss My Ass]

Well I guess I built my character right. I'm only lvl 64 but wt3 has become a bit of a joke. I can't remember the last time I died. Pretty much smoke any elite or boss, massacre mobs, etc. I kinda want to try moving up to wt4 but I have a feeling I'll get wrecked. Gonna keep farming for paragon points for a couple more hours and I'll try my luck on wt4.

Edit

LOL of course I jinxed myself. A few minutes after posting this I got surprise attacked by a trio of elites. One managed to freeze me and I was done. Typical.

 

[KIss My Ass]

Ugh boredom is starting to set in. Been farming renown for hours and hours. Probably the least fun thing in this game but pretty important. That shit better all carry over to new characters eventually or that will be what kills this game. I wont keep doing it. Also season 1 needs to hurry up. I'm getting anxious to try a different character. It seems like it would be a waste to do it before the season starts.

 

[vota DC]

I'm not an expert in Diablo lore but it's pretty plainly stated in the game that you have to go after her while she's hurt. If you had to fight her at full power she would probably ass rape you with a strap-on.

You still have to fight even a lesser evil to reach her so everyone Is wounded, the wound prevents her to get Mephisto before you.

 

[KIss My Ass]

I'm not an expert in Diablo lore but it's pretty plainly stated in the game that you have to go after her while she's hurt. If you had to fight her at full power she would probably ass rape you with a strap-on.

You still have to fight even a lesser evil to reach her so everyone Is wounded, the wound prevents her to get Mephisto before you.

Well yeah that also. I forgot about that part. The lesser evil was Duriel right? That part was pretty lame in terms of writing. He just randomly appears and you kill him. Absolutely no build up like there was for Andariel. Duriel showing up was just 100% lousy fan service bullshit.

 

[Reinhardt]

btw why all regions are shit colored? where is all greenery?

 

[Daedalos]

Releasing the game in this state was stupid, when season 1 is so close by.

wtf were they thinking with this lackluster endgame?

anyway, the game is great and fun for the content up to like lvl 70-80. 8/10 easy

 

[abija]

btw why all regions are shit colored? where is all greenery?

The grim dark++ filter doesn't allow that color.