Diablo IV

[spectre]

Whole game is just a buggy unfinished mess, that's the main issue with it.

That's a fair assessment for its launch day and later on people would even lose progress as the devs were bugfixing.
As for now, I managed to finish the main story and there were no game breaking bugs, though I played offline.
It was mostly minor and simply annoying stuff, like dropped items sometimes not showing and movement skills being blocked by scenery.

Mostly I posted this to mollify the people saying "Diablo 4 is the worst thing ever made by humans literally unplayable casual garbage -1000/10."

Well, I for one feel the game is being held to some ridiculously high imagined standard. That's what arpgs have always been in a nutshell:
casual garbage for people who don't even like rpgs. Mindless clicking and a guilty pleasure. You click monsters and they explode funny.
If anything, the series is a victim of its own success (to be fair, D2 was where they took it over the roof. I remember teenage me being hyped out of my fucking skull).
Like a video game version of the sequel syndrome that's spiraled out of control a long time ago... and now we're here.

Why do we keep going back to the Diablo 2 three-tier difficulty replay system? While I finished the story of D2 three times vanilla (paladin, amazon, barb) and once with the expansion (assassin), I only ever bothered to play one character through Nightmare, and none through Hell. I just got sick of it.

Though I can understand the logic behind Nightmare difficulty - your character build is finished, how about we take it for one more spin, but we won't be pulling any punches this time.
I agree. Beating the same shit three times is tedious. It was doable for D2 without LoD, but with LoD... it's just a slog.
D4 seems to try and go around it by letting you skip the main story and use the open world structure so that it doesn't get tedious.
This sorta works, got 3 chars to level 50 before it started to feel weary. Mostly due to the content recycling which becomes noticeable after a time.
Ultimately, I blame all this on designers trying to marry the single player roguelike roots with the expectations of the MMO streamer crowd - people who expect a game to be a full-time job.
This just doesn't gel and one player group is bound to be left behind.

 

[KIss My Ass]

We literally see souls of dead barbarians in Mephisto's realm during the D4 campaign (he says they are bleeding over from Baal's domain), how fucking retarded do you have to be to think "there is no afterlife" in Diablo lore. Who do you think are all the deformed human shapes reaching out of the floor/pillars/whatever in hell?

There is an afterlife, and people go to heaven/hell depending on whether they were more aligned with their angelic or demonic half during their life.

What makes Diablo 4 unnecessarily bleak is that the heavens are presented as cold, distant, and uncaring. The only angel we see in the entire game is Inarius, who is written to be a complete moron who gets easily played by Lilith (maybe finish killing her before starting to despair that your fellow angels don't want you back) and then viciously murdered. But then again, what else would you expect from a game written by dieversity hires and atheists?

I mean Inarius did technically help you the hero, albeit indirectly and totally unintentionally. He wounded Lilith pretty severly, which canonically speaking is the reason why the hero is able to defeat her at the end of the campaign. Without him you would have had to basically face "uber Lilith".

 

[KIss My Ass]

I'm actually really hyped for the expansion and seeing what they do with Mephisto. These writers are not terrible.

 

[Grampy_Bone]

Overall I am pleasantly surprised by Diablo 4. I wasn't planning to get it at all before receiving it as a gift, and went in with no expectations. But I'm having an enjoyable time on veteran from the start, the fights actually have some bite to them, I've had to actually think about my build, and I didn't even know it was open world (thanks for nothing game journos).

 

[KIss My Ass]

Overall I am pleasantly surprised by Diablo 4. I wasn't planning to get it at all before receiving it as a gift, and went in with no expectations. But I'm having an enjoyable time on veteran from the start, the fights actually have some bite to them, I've had to actually think about my build, and I didn't even know it was open world (thanks for nothing game journos).

Lol wat? That was like it's huge selling point. Seems like they brought it up every chance they could in all the marketing videos.

 

[Filthy Sauce]

We literally see souls of dead barbarians in Mephisto's realm during the D4 campaign (he says they are bleeding over from Baal's domain), how fucking retarded do you have to be to think "there is no afterlife" in Diablo lore. Who do you think are all the deformed human shapes reaching out of the floor/pillars/whatever in hell?

There is an afterlife, and people go to heaven/hell depending on whether they were more aligned with their angelic or demonic half during their life.

What makes Diablo 4 unnecessarily bleak is that the heavens are presented as cold, distant, and uncaring. The only angel we see in the entire game is Inarius, who is written to be a complete moron who gets easily played by Lilith (maybe finish killing her before starting to despair that your fellow angels don't want you back) and then viciously murdered. But then again, what else would you expect from a game written by dieversity hires and atheists?

I mean Inarius did technically help you the hero, albeit indirectly and totally unintentionally. He wounded Lilith pretty severly, which canonically speaking is the reason why the hero is able to defeat her at the end of the campaign. Without him you would have had to basically face "uber Lilith".

Damn you SDG. Lol. I was going to post a length reply why I thought Rathmas (or IMHO Mephisto's) 'prophecy' was too disconnected / unnecessary to the plot. Of what you're saying is true then the Lilith vs Inarius scenario actually means something.

 

[KIss My Ass]

I'm not an expert in Diablo lore but it's pretty plainly stated in the game that you have to go after her while she's hurt. If you had to fight her at full power she would probably ass rape you with a strap-on.

 

[KIss My Ass]

Well I guess I built my character right. I'm only lvl 64 but wt3 has become a bit of a joke. I can't remember the last time I died. Pretty much smoke any elite or boss, massacre mobs, etc. I kinda want to try moving up to wt4 but I have a feeling I'll get wrecked. Gonna keep farming for paragon points for a couple more hours and I'll try my luck on wt4.

Edit

LOL of course I jinxed myself. A few minutes after posting this I got surprise attacked by a trio of elites. One managed to freeze me and I was done. Typical.

 

[KIss My Ass]

Ugh boredom is starting to set in. Been farming renown for hours and hours. Probably the least fun thing in this game but pretty important. That shit better all carry over to new characters eventually or that will be what kills this game. I wont keep doing it. Also season 1 needs to hurry up. I'm getting anxious to try a different character. It seems like it would be a waste to do it before the season starts.

 

[vota DC]

I'm not an expert in Diablo lore but it's pretty plainly stated in the game that you have to go after her while she's hurt. If you had to fight her at full power she would probably ass rape you with a strap-on.

You still have to fight even a lesser evil to reach her so everyone Is wounded, the wound prevents her to get Mephisto before you.

 

[KIss My Ass]

I'm not an expert in Diablo lore but it's pretty plainly stated in the game that you have to go after her while she's hurt. If you had to fight her at full power she would probably ass rape you with a strap-on.

You still have to fight even a lesser evil to reach her so everyone Is wounded, the wound prevents her to get Mephisto before you.

Well yeah that also. I forgot about that part. The lesser evil was Duriel right? That part was pretty lame in terms of writing. He just randomly appears and you kill him. Absolutely no build up like there was for Andariel. Duriel showing up was just 100% lousy fan service bullshit.

 

[Reinhardt]

btw why all regions are shit colored? where is all greenery?

 

[Daedalos]

Releasing the game in this state was stupid, when season 1 is so close by.

wtf were they thinking with this lackluster endgame?

anyway, the game is great and fun for the content up to like lvl 70-80. 8/10 easy

 

[abija]

btw why all regions are shit colored? where is all greenery?

The grim dark++ filter doesn't allow that color.

 

[Grampy_Bone]

what do you mean, there is a brown area, other brown area, and the more brown area. Much variety.

 

[Iluvcheezcake]

Swamp area is brown green.

 

[Reinhardt]

Swamp area is brown green.

more brown or more green?

 

[Iluvcheezcake]

Swamp area is brown green.

more brown or more green?

Ummm, like taking a shit in the bushes and accidentally stepping on it brown green

 

[KIss My Ass]

Taking a break. Currently feeling a bit burned out on the game.



TL;DR version: my pyro build is super effective but is becoming dull to play as. The renown point shit has turned into a miserable chore. Looking forward to trying a different class.

 

[Zlaja]

Ugh boredom is starting to set in. Been farming renown for hours and hours. Probably the least fun thing in this game but pretty important. That shit better all carry over to new characters eventually or that will be what kills this game. I wont keep doing it. Also season 1 needs to hurry up. I'm getting anxious to try a different character. It seems like it would be a waste to do it before the season starts.

For new chars on the same realm you retain all your renown, but for new chars on the Season realm you just regain some of it. If you've maxed out your renown in one region now, then you'll have enough renown to get the first two rewards for that region with Season 1 chars. Also, while the location of Lillith statues will remain visible for Season 1 chars, you'll still have to activate them all again to get the stat bonuses from them.

 

[Grampy_Bone]

When you get Lilith statues it says "this bonus is unlocked to all characters on this realm." But when you play with a new character, they can re-activated the same statues. So are you getting the bonus twice? Is the ultimate min-max activating all 150-odd statues 10 times for the full character limit?

 

[Senntinel]

We literally see souls of dead barbarians in Mephisto's realm during the D4 campaign (he says they are bleeding over from Baal's domain), how fucking retarded do you have to be to think "there is no afterlife" in Diablo lore. Who do you think are all the deformed human shapes reaching out of the floor/pillars/whatever in hell?

There is an afterlife, and people go to heaven/hell depending on whether they were more aligned with their angelic or demonic half during their life.

What makes Diablo 4 unnecessarily bleak is that the heavens are presented as cold, distant, and uncaring. The only angel we see in the entire game is Inarius, who is written to be a complete moron who gets easily played by Lilith (maybe finish killing her before starting to despair that your fellow angels don't want you back) and then viciously murdered. But then again, what else would you expect from a game written by dieversity hires and atheists?

Pretty sure Inarius isn't dead, but got turned into a demon.

 

[Zlaja]

When you get Lilith statues it says "this bonus is unlocked to all characters on this realm." But when you play with a new character, they can re-activated the same statues. So are you getting the bonus twice? Is the ultimate min-max activating all 150-odd statues 10 times for the full character limit?

You can't recieve stat bonuses from Lillith statues more than once per realm. When creating a new char on the current 'Eternal' realm, you can only recieve little xp if you bother activating them again.

 

[Arbiter]

How long does it take to beat the campaign on normal?

 

[KIss My Ass]

How long does it take to beat the campaign on normal?

Depends on if you're playing solo or with other people, specifically higher level characters. Also depends on how much side content you do. It took me way longer than it needed to because I kept fucking around with side shit. If you just beeline the campaign (which I recommend doing) it could probably be done in 8 hours. Even shorter than that if you're partied with a high level character.