Diablo IV

[Skinwalker]

Honestly, the D4 main quest/story was a pile of garbage. It was clearly written by Christianity-hating atheists/kikes/satanists, so it constantly bashes you over the head with how fanatical, cruel and misguided the Cathedral is (even though almost all of the supposedly-horrible things they do are 100% justified and even prudent, considering the dire circumstances), and downright commits character assassination with Inarius. All other angels are totally absent (whatever happened to Tyrael after D2?), and the game fawns over the disgusting she-demon Lilith and practically laments her as a poor misunderstood martyr for whom we must all simp and dilate.

Also, the main character only "wins" due to constantly getting miraculous help from Mephisto, the main devil of this setting. And at one point you have to receive the "blessing" of all three main devils, because that's the only way to enter yet another ancient temple or whatever. Basically, you're forced to play as a pawn of the satan(s). No angelic involvement allowed, though.

After the campaign is over, the game forces you to butcher the remaining Cathedral knights and the priest who saved your life at the beginning. It's a horrible, poorly-written fanfic, and most of it is mired in retarded busywork that only drags out the supremely-uneventful storyline.

1/10, can't think of any game I've played that had a worse storyline than this

 

[Vic]

1/10, can't think of any game I've played that had a worse storyline than this

Why are you playing hack n' slash for the storyline?

 

[Skinwalker]

1/10, can't think of any game I've played that had a worse storyline than this

Why are you playing hack n' slash for the storyline?

Because it's there!

 

[Perkel]

Fawning is wrong world. More like fascination. She is cruel to humans and yet she pursues goal that seems to benefit humans in long run. Player pact with evil to stop her clearly points out that she is third way in fight between angels and demons. She is demon but she is compassionate to her child which makes her different than demon.

Where story falls flat is that there is no real answer to her motives, goal etc. Her story just ends. Which I think is intentional as it doesn't hand you clear moral answer. I mean it works in that sense yet I don't feel that there was anything told here.

Overall when you think about structure of diablo world (i mean hell and heaven) it doesn't make much sense. In lore humans were just byproduct of lilith and inarius and nothing more. So the prime evils don't really make sense as they are seen as living embodiment of various emotions like terror or hate but whose terror and hate if humans wouldn't exist.

 

[Skinwalker]

Fawning is wrong world. More like fascination. She is cruel to humans and yet she pursues goal that seems to benefit humans in long run. Player pact with evil to stop her clearly points out that she is third way in fight between angels and demons. She is demon but she is compassionate to her child which makes her different than demon.

It was made pretty clear that she would just turn the human world into her personal Hell-like domain, where most people would be killed off for being "weak", and the select few survivors would live in a fully satanic regime where might makes right and social darwinism rules the day, forever.

Then she would use these "strong" humans are her army against her daddy's army of demons. And eventually storm the heavens, if her project was successful enough.

Basically, the story is kind of schizophrenic in how it treats Lilith, I think it's the result of several different people passive-aggressively inserting their own ideas over each other.

 

[Perkel]

It was made pretty clear that she would just turn the human world into her personal Hell-like domain, where most people would be killed off for being "weak", and the select few survivors would live in a fully satanic regime where might makes right and social darwinism rules the day, forever.
Then she would use these "strong" humans are her army against her daddy's army of demons. And eventually storm the heavens, if her project was successful enough.
Basically, the story is kind of schizophrenic in how it treats Lilith, I think it's the result of several different people passive-aggressively inserting their own ideas over each other.

If she would win where that would place humans ? Above angels and demons ?

 

[Skinwalker]

It was made pretty clear that she would just turn the human world into her personal Hell-like domain, where most people would be killed off for being "weak", and the select few survivors would live in a fully satanic regime where might makes right and social darwinism rules the day, forever.
Then she would use these "strong" humans are her army against her daddy's army of demons. And eventually storm the heavens, if her project was successful enough.
Basically, the story is kind of schizophrenic in how it treats Lilith, I think it's the result of several different people passive-aggressively inserting their own ideas over each other.

If she would win where that would place humans ? Above angels and demons ?

As a new breed of uber-demons that could win the "eternal conflict". Of course, all sides of the eternal conflict believe they can win it.

 

[Saravan]

1/10, can't think of any game I've played that had a worse storyline than this

Why are you playing hack n' slash for the storyline?

What else they gonna talk about? Which of the 3 sorc skills their build uses?

 

[Skinwalker]

My pronouns are they/them/thirself

 

[KIss My Ass]

Honestly, the D4 main quest/story was a pile of garbage. It was clearly written by Christianity-hating atheists/kikes/satanists, so it constantly bashes you over the head with how fanatical, cruel and misguided the Cathedral is (even though almost all of the supposedly-horrible things they do are 100% justified and even prudent, considering the dire circumstances), and downright commits character assassination with Inarius. All other angels are totally absent (whatever happened to Tyrael after D2?), and the game fawns over the disgusting she-demon Lilith and practically laments her as a poor misunderstood martyr for whom we must all simp and dilate.

Also, the main character only "wins" due to constantly getting miraculous help from Mephisto, the main devil of this setting. And at one point you have to receive the "blessing" of all three main devils, because that's the only way to enter yet another ancient temple or whatever. Basically, you're forced to play as a pawn of the satan(s). No angelic involvement allowed, though.

After the campaign is over, the game forces you to butcher the remaining Cathedral knights and the priest who saved your life at the beginning. It's a horrible, poorly-written fanfic, and most of it is mired in retarded busywork that only drags out the supremely-uneventful storyline.

1/10, can't think of any game I've played that had a worse storyline than this

I got nothing but love for ya bro but I gotta disagree pretty heavily here. I mean, Diablo's storytelling has never been great. The first game's was pretty good for what it was. Pretty simple, straightforward, but worked well with the doom and gloom atmosphere. Diablo 2 was decline in terms of storytelling. It was pretty forgettable. D3's was obviously atrocious, like bottom of the barrel bad. Kind of reminded me of a shitty anime. I mean 99% of anime is shit but D3's story was like extra anime shittiness.

D4 is a return to form in terms of storytelling I think. It doesn't feel like a retread, Lilith is a solid villain, Mephisto and Inarius are interesting side villains or whatever you want to call them, there's some likable side characters like Lorath and Doran, and the conflict was actually interesting. This is probably the best that Diablo's storytelling has ever been. Yeah low bar, I know.

 

[spectre]

With Lilith, I couldn't shake the feeling: you're guys doing a Kerrigan again, aren't you?
Didn't like the way Lorath was written and Nyrelle looked like another diversity self-insert. The game needed a Decard Cain, a likeable mentor-companion, but we got none of that.
Not that I'm here for the story. Final fight was actually fun, unlike a whole bunch of filler encounters leading to it.

What else they gonna talk about? Which of the 3 sorc skills their build uses?

You want to discuss the merits of choosing between Fire Bolt vs. Frost Bolt vs. Teleport vs. Flame Shield vs. Blizzard in the Enchantment Slots as well as their various synergies in the paragon boards
or was it not available in the first 25 levels of the beta?

 

[Reinhardt]

You want to discuss the merits of choosing between Fire Bolt vs. Frost Bolt vs. Teleport vs. Flame Shield vs. Blizzard in the Enchantment Slots as well as their various synergies in the paragon boards
or was it not available in the first 25 levels of the beta?

if you actually did this maybe then sdg figured he has passive skill slots faster and suffered less.

 

[spectre]

if you actually did this maybe then sdg figured he has passive skill slots faster and suffered less.

I think it's his baby's first rpg (and I am using the term extremely loosely) experience, let's not spoil the journey.

 

[Saravan]

With Lilith, I couldn't shake the feeling: you're guys doing a Kerrigan again, aren't you?
Didn't like the way Lorath was written and Nyrelle looked like another diversity self-insert. The game needed a Decard Cain, a likeable mentor-companion, but we got none of that.
Not that I'm here for the story. Final fight was actually fun, unlike a whole bunch of filler encounters leading to it.

What else they gonna talk about? Which of the 3 sorc skills their build uses?

You want to discuss the merits of choosing between Fire Bolt vs. Frost Bolt vs. Teleport vs. Flame Shield vs. Blizzard in the Enchantment Slots as well as their various synergies in the paragon boards
or was it not available in the first 25 levels of the beta?

You think you are being clever but one enhancement slot is permalocked for Fire Bolt and you are stuck with 4 defensives for end game. Again, before you press reply show some evidence that demonstrates otherwise.

 

[KIss My Ass]

The game needed a Decard Cain, a likeable mentor-companion, but we got none of that.

You can thank Diablo 3 for killing him off. May have been the same writers who killed off Professor X in X-Men 3 Last Stand. Lorath and Doran were both meant to fill that hole in D4 I think. I liked both of those characters. They were flawed heroes.

 

[Reever]

The only angel we see in the entire game is Inarius, who is written to be a complete moron who gets easily played by Lilith (maybe finish killing her before starting to despair that your fellow angels don't want you back) and then viciously murdered. But then again, what else would you expect from a game written by dieversity hires and atheists?

because he's completely driven by hatred after being tortured for so long in Hell. It's not that unreasonable for him to act like a retard and It's not like Lilith is much better in that regard. She presents herself as caring for the human race but than her mask slowly fades when her plans get fucked by the protagonist and by the end you can see why she's the "Daughter of Hatred".

All other angels are totally absent (whatever happened to Tyrael after D2?)

Unless I missed something, I'm pretty sure he's a human now and he should be pretty old by now. Either way it's been shown since D2 that outside of Tyrael, angels don't give two shits about humans.

 

[spectre]

You know what, I think they'd do everyone a solid if they just retconned D3 out of everything.
I completely forgot what was the plot there, and I didn't even bother with reaper of soles.

You think you are being clever but one enhancement slot is permalocked for Fire Bolt and you are stuck with 4 defensives for end game. Again, before you press reply show some evidence that demonstrates otherwise.

https://www.icy-veins.com/d4/guides/firewall-sorcerer-build/
There you go. One of the bog-standard endgame builds on icy veins. No Fire Bolt in Enchantment slot, just three "defensives".

Also, you are well aware only get to make this jab about "defenses" because both Teleport and Frost nova are clustered under defensive skills. Wow! Who's a clever boy.
Instead, they serve a variety of functions, depending how you specc. There's obviously the matter of mobility and crowd control, but most often they trigger an extra layer of damage
from their own effects and other synergies like the Tactician Glyph. These will also give a mana boost with Prodigy Aspect to keep the dps going.

Granted, Fire Bolt Enchantment opens up so many synergies, it's difficult to pass on and a glass cannon build probably needs all the defenses it can get... but you're not interested in
honestly discussing or even playing the game, so I won't be wasting my time.

 

[abija]

He's also talking about diversity 100% based on balance (while still failing to specifiy his "approved build" requirements). A fun build that easy gets you to 100 doesn't exist because it's not within 10-20% of whatever is considered top.
Interesting build decisions based on what you found or trying to make something you like work also do not exist because guess what, they're not in the approved build scripts.

Also keep in mind paragon board/aspects are irrelevant to build diversity cause they weren't in D2, hence SHIT.

 

[Grampy_Bone]

Seems like they were going with a SMT-style "Heaven and Hell are both extremes, balance is the way.." but fucked it all up. Based on that behind the scenes dev interviews reported earlier, the story was cobbled together after numerous project setbacks and changes of direction, so it's kind of miraculous its even somewhat coherent. Not that that excuses anything, but it's understandable.

 

[Saravan]

You know what, I think they'd do everyone a solid if they just retconned D3 out of everything.
I completely forgot what was the plot there, and I didn't even bother with reaper of soles.

You think you are being clever but one enhancement slot is permalocked for Fire Bolt and you are stuck with 4 defensives for end game. Again, before you press reply show some evidence that demonstrates otherwise.

https://www.icy-veins.com/d4/guides/firewall-sorcerer-build/
There you go. One of the bog-standard endgame builds on icy veins. No Fire Bolt in Enchantment slot, just three "defensives".

Also, you are well aware only get to make this jab about "defenses" because both Teleport and Frost nova are clustered under defensive skills. Wow! Who's a clever boy.
Instead, they serve a variety of functions, depending how you specc. There's obviously the matter of mobility and crowd control, but most often they trigger an extra layer of damage
from their own effects and other synergies like the Tactician Glyph. These will also give a mana boost with Prodigy Aspect to keep the dps going.

Granted, Fire Bolt Enchantment opens up so many synergies, it's difficult to pass on and a glass cannon build probably needs all the defenses it can get... but you're not interested in
honestly discussing or even playing the game, so I won't be wasting my time.

This isn’t viable end game lol nice try. Also enjoying how abija basically only post here to reply to me what a nolife loser lmao.

 

[spectre]

This isn’t viable end game lol nice try. Also enjoying how abija basically only post here to reply to me what a nolife loser lmao.

Good opportunity to you take your own advice and:

before you press reply show some evidence that demonstrates otherwise.

 

[KIss My Ass]

You know what, I think they'd do everyone a solid if they just retconned D3 out of everything.
I completely forgot what was the plot there

Oh for sure. It really was that bad.



I mean just compare that to this one simple line from Diablo 1:



The difference in quality is stunning.

 

[KIss My Ass]

You think you are being clever but one enhancement slot is permalocked for Fire Bolt and you are stuck with 4 defensives for end game. Again, before you press reply show some evidence that demonstrates otherwise.

I have no idea where you get your information from but you should seek out a different source. Everything that comes out of your mouth is wrong. I know you only played the beta but that is no excuse for the lies and shit coming out of your mouth. You are embarassing yourself. Fire Bolt, a permalocked enchantment, LMAO. You wouldn't get far in this game.

 

[Reinhardt]

You wouldn't get far in this game.

you didn't get far in this game too...

 

[abija]

This isn’t viable end game lol nice try. Also enjoying how abija basically only post here to reply to me what a nolife loser lmao.

I get triggered by autistic retards with no perspective. Still haven't defined end game btw.