Incline Disco Elysium - The Final Cut - a hardboiled cop show isometric RPG

[Harthwain]

Unless I've misunderstood, from what I've read the game acknowledges that communism's failed every time it's been tried yet rather than saying it wasn't real communism their excuse is that communism is about love and if you don't like it then you're hateful, racist or sexist. Empathetic people are communists so we should be communists even if it doesn't actually work. It's an absurd cope.

First of all -

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Secondly - I think you don't understand how cope works in Disco Elysium. It is supposed to be absurd, because the whole logic (for all ideologies) is cranked up to eleven.

Here is my quote on communism from the game:

RHETORIC - This seditious talk sounds like communism. (Just so we're on the same page: Communism is basically wanting to kill the rich people or deporting them to a labour camp in southeast Graad. But don't say that out loud if you're a communist.)

 

[luj1]

True Reddit game

 

[KVVRR]

I am not sure this is true though. That is, I'm not sure Robert Kurvitz ever intended that Disco Elysium's communist revolution was meant to be a world-changing historical movement on par with Dolorianism or something capable of combatting the Pale. Creating this scenario where a bunch of kids organizing a rave are secretly humanity's last hope against the Pale seems to suggest that Kurvitz would not view the bloody business of politics as the way forward.

I don't think he meant it because the story just had them stomped out months (or years?) after conception. But what is there does support the theory that the pale can be stopped or delayed with the hope it brings, the same way the enthusiasm the ravers exude would do so too. This is straight up confirmed in the novel where the only two instances of the pale receding/stopping even if for a second happen with the literal ghost of communism and a paranormal take on Egghead.
Or at least that's my take on it. It's not necessarily the politics of communism itself that stops the pale, but rather the hope for the future it brings. No other ideology truly brings such hope in the setting, the fascists are stuck in the past, the moralists are stagnated in *incremental, slow change* and the ultraliberals are out for themselves and nobody else. Wether or not it's viable it's another matter altogether, but the game itself calls atention to this when the two commies in the reading club mention communism being a sort of religion that replaces the hope for the divine with hope for humanity itself.

 

[9ted6]

I am not sure this is true though. That is, I'm not sure Robert Kurvitz ever intended that Disco Elysium's communist revolution was meant to be a world-changing historical movement on par with Dolorianism or something capable of combatting the Pale. Creating this scenario where a bunch of kids organizing a rave are secretly humanity's last hope against the Pale seems to suggest that Kurvitz would not view the bloody business of politics as the way forward.

I don't think he meant it because the story just had them stomped out months (or years?) after conception. But what is there does support the theory that the pale can be stopped or delayed with the hope it brings, the same way the enthusiasm the ravers exude would do so too. This is straight up confirmed in the novel where the only two instances of the pale receding/stopping even if for a second happen with the literal ghost of communism and a paranormal take on Egghead.
Or at least that's my take on it. It's not necessarily the politics of communism itself that stops the pale, but rather the hope for the future it brings. No other ideology truly brings such hope in the setting, the fascists are stuck in the past, the moralists are stagnated in *incremental, slow change* and the ultraliberals are out for themselves and nobody else. Wether or not it's viable it's another matter altogether, but the game itself calls atention to this when the two commies in the reading club mention communism being a sort of religion that replaces the hope for the divine with hope for humanity itself.

No I think you're just trolling. Calling communism the divine savior of humanity is in no way a leftist message obviously.

Cause that kind of outrage over things that simply exist is more similar to.. well, more similar to how your leftie nemesii view things. You're not being objective at all.

True but saying "You don't have to pay attention to it and can just ignore it" is also the argument of most woke types when it comes to this shit being put into games.

Sure if I don't take the Gay perk in New Vegas I won't know that the majority of important NPCs are gay, but just because I don't take it doesn't change the fact that the majority of important NPCs are gay and the reason for it from Sawyer himself was to pander.

As far as I can tell DE never allows you to seriously refute its message. You either have to agree or ignore it. If the game let you be an ardent communist supporter but also ardent opposer and both options were given the same weight I'd have no problem.

 

[BosanskiSeljak]

The game isn't about politics at all and yes it's very ignorable. Unfortunately, lots of spergs don't have any life experience to either relate to or understand the actual topics Disco Elysium explores deeply. That is the meat of the game, that is what makes it good. The politics shit was always for the lulz on the side.

 

[Laz Sundays]

See, I never managed to muster enough fuck about deeper meaning behind political ideologies like you people do. Idk what's so attractive there that you constantly end up making it to be a super important aspect. They're all the same u moron, using cheap marketing tricks to "hide" it as something "better than other ones". It's always just another tyrannical government system based on money, power and control. And it achieves it's goal by securing these 3 things, no matter what name they call it. That's the sad part, people actually believe there was a variety. There never was.

After the WW2 (aka bunch of Jews playing Risk irl), Jewsip Broz Tito banned practice of Orthodox Christianity, for example. Do you think he replaced it with anything humanitarian? Communists literally replaced church pictures with Tito's portraits, gospel with a custom cocktail of Marxism, church songs with Party and Tito songs. It's the same recipe, ffs. Derping about ideologies and falling for them is utterly naive and pointless. They never were and never will be used as anything else but a suit, reskin, a flavor to mask the same old (and extremely efficient) triangle of Money/Power/Control. Why would you bother with it when you're never gonna see it accurately in our reality? Where is this dreamy sway of Muh Ideology coming from, and why are you always falling for it?

"You don't have to pay attention to it and can just ignore it" -....

I didn't pay attention to it because I was too busy solving a case, collecting fucking tare and reforming my Harrier. Into a man ready to grow up and start doing his job. Albeit still sniffing speed, who would rather spend his time making Raveolution with kids, making them NOT start a druglab and respect atleast some form of law and order - and researching Pale, rather than being another indoctrinated moron who seriously falls for any of the different flavored propaganda that all regimes use to make you subscribe to it, so you can feel fuzzy while they milk you and send you to die for them/simply kill you or ban you out when you oppose.

Do you also think Democracy is OG in it's modern implementation, hm? Or any different looking now than how Real Life Communism turned out back then? Please. IF YOU WERE PLAYING DISCO TO LOOK FOR ACCURACY OF POLITICAL IDEOLOGY AND WAYS TO DEBATE IT, YOU'RE A FUCKING CLOWN.

KYS.

And speaking of Gay in Disco - there is precisely ZERO DIFF between Disco gay enconter and choice and that of a ToEE's pirate dentist faggot. They're respectful, secluded and only relevant if you fucking want it to be, so stop making it wilder than it is. YOU AREN'T BEING OBJECTIVE.
THIS ISN'T A GAME MADE IN THE DEGENERATE FASHION. Probably because it wasn't made by fucking westerners, cause you people are losing your fucking minds, let alone tastes and common senses.

 

[BosanskiSeljak]

I didn't even know there was some gay option in Disco, Harrier enjoyed a quiet date with a woman in my playthrough.

 

[BosanskiSeljak]

After the WW2 (aka bunch of Jews playing Risk irl), Jewsip Broz Tito banned practice of Orthodox Christianity, for example. Do you think he replaced it with anything humanitarian? Communists literally replaced church pictures with Tito's portraits, gospel with a custom cocktail of Marxism, church songs with Party and Tito songs.

https://hercegovackiportal.com/2024...je-prema-katolickoj-crkvi-pocinili-partizani/

 

[Cat Headed Eagle]

I didn't even know there was some gay option in Disco, Harrier enjoyed a quiet date with a woman in my playthrough.

You weren't paying attention, because Harry is very attracted to the smoker in the balcony and that's part of the events you need to go through to progress in the game iirc.

 

[Zed Duke of Banville]

 

[Hydro]

because Harry is very attracted to the smoker in the balcony

Hehe, or rather you are

 

[duskvile]

I haven't been watching lately. What's the state of disco elysium 2 or next Zaum's IP?

 

[SpaceWizardz]

I haven't been watching lately. What's the state of disco elysium 2 or next Zaum's IP?

Retarded moneymen immediately ran ZA/UM into the ground, unlikely we'll see another release from them.
Kurvitz & Friends have a new studio but nothing announced as of yet.

 

[gurugeorge]

I haven't been watching lately. What's the state of disco elysium 2 or next Zaum's IP?

Retarded moneymen immediately ran ZA/UM into the ground, unlikely we'll see another release from them.
Kurvitz & Friends have a new studio but nothing announced as of yet.

Ching Chong Heavenly Demon Wuxia Elysium

 

[La vie sexuelle]

I started a new game. I created a thinking and emotional character with logic as a leading skill. After listening to a pretentious conversation in my head and waking up with a hangover, my character died while trying to remove the chain from the windmill.

True incel experience.

 

[TheDarkUrge]

The only real criticism I have about this game is that the

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murder mystery was a complete red herring. To not have the actual murderer be known until the final 20 minutes of the game is beyond retarded. I don't care if it has any deeper meaning or any of that -- dont advertise it as a murder mystery game if it's not solvable. The rest of it was really charming and the writing was great but the fucking murder mystery pissed me off to ever rate this more than a 7.5 because I was trying to find motivations and evidence where there wasnt any. Fuck you, dumbasses, for baiting me into thinking about the game instead of just watching it like a movie

 

[luj1]

its barely a game, more like CYOA

 

[Hydro]

I disagree. It allows you to approach its puzzles creatively, hence it is a game. Main plot is railroaded which is not any different from any of the acknowledged RPG staples.

 

[skaraher]

The voices are significantly worses in the fully voiced version.

 

[Zed Duke of Banville]

The only real criticism I have about this game is that the

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murder mystery was a complete red herring. To not have the actual murderer be known until the final 20 minutes of the game is beyond retarded. I don't care if it has any deeper meaning or any of that -- dont advertise it as a murder mystery game if it's not solvable. The rest of it was really charming and the writing was great but the fucking murder mystery pissed me off to ever rate this more than a 7.5 because I was trying to find motivations and evidence where there wasnt any. Fuck you, dumbasses, for baiting me into thinking about the game instead of just watching it like a movie

Disco Elysium presents numerous clues pointing to the identity of the murderer; although he isn't encountered before the climactic confrontation, you should already be aware of much about him:

 

[TheDarkUrge]

The only real criticism I have about this game is that the

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murder mystery was a complete red herring. To not have the actual murderer be known until the final 20 minutes of the game is beyond retarded. I don't care if it has any deeper meaning or any of that -- dont advertise it as a murder mystery game if it's not solvable. The rest of it was really charming and the writing was great but the fucking murder mystery pissed me off to ever rate this more than a 7.5 because I was trying to find motivations and evidence where there wasnt any. Fuck you, dumbasses, for baiting me into thinking about the game instead of just watching it like a movie

Disco Elysium presents numerous clues pointing to the identity of the murderer; although he isn't encountered before the climactic confrontation, you should already be aware of much about him:

I'm not saying that it wasn't well foreshadowed, it was, it's just not how murder mysteries usually work . The murderer fits with the plot and theme quite well, but I think they could have made it less focused on harry being a detective trying to bring someone to justice in such a shithole, and more him being sent there to stop any future murders and restoring order. That would have gone a long way for me not trying to put the puzzle pieces together. Eventually I did just stop thinking about it because the clues never pointed to anyone we knew, I picked up on that. It's just early on I even took some brief notes because I was expecting having to do a scene where at the end you select someone for the crime. The game felt very reliant on choices up until the end which was pretty railroaded. Being able to frame some person whose ideology you dont like would have been pretty funny. But hey, endings are hard and I cant really blame them for not wanting to write multiple when 90% of people just pick the good boy option in every game.

 

[BosanskiSeljak]

The only real criticism I have about this game is that the

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murder mystery was a complete red herring. To not have the actual murderer be known until the final 20 minutes of the game is beyond retarded. I don't care if it has any deeper meaning or any of that -- dont advertise it as a murder mystery game if it's not solvable. The rest of it was really charming and the writing was great but the fucking murder mystery pissed me off to ever rate this more than a 7.5 because I was trying to find motivations and evidence where there wasnt any. Fuck you, dumbasses, for baiting me into thinking about the game instead of just watching it like a movie

Disco Elysium presents numerous clues pointing to the identity of the murderer; although he isn't encountered before the climactic confrontation, you should already be aware of much about him:

I'm not saying that it wasn't well foreshadowed, it was, it's just not how murder mysteries usually work . The murderer fits with the plot and theme quite well, but I think they could have made it less focused on harry being a detective trying to bring someone to justice in such a shithole, and more him being sent there to stop any future murders and restoring order. That would have gone a long way for me not trying to put the puzzle pieces together. Eventually I did just stop thinking about it because the clues never pointed to anyone we knew, I picked up on that. It's just early on I even took some brief notes because I was expecting having to do a scene where at the end you select someone for the crime. The game felt very reliant on choices up until the end which was pretty railroaded. Being able to frame some person whose ideology you dont like would have been pretty funny. But hey, endings are hard and I cant really blame them for not wanting to write multiple when 90% of people just pick the good boy option in every game.

You're looking at it from an autist point of view. This was never a murder mystery, the first 5 minutes is an indicator. I've said it many times and I'll say it again. This is a personal journey through addiction, love and heartbreak. Everything else, the murder mystery, policework, politics, is all a backdrop to the themes of the adventure.

 

[TheDarkUrge]

The only real criticism I have about this game is that the

end game spoiler

murder mystery was a complete red herring. To not have the actual murderer be known until the final 20 minutes of the game is beyond retarded. I don't care if it has any deeper meaning or any of that -- dont advertise it as a murder mystery game if it's not solvable. The rest of it was really charming and the writing was great but the fucking murder mystery pissed me off to ever rate this more than a 7.5 because I was trying to find motivations and evidence where there wasnt any. Fuck you, dumbasses, for baiting me into thinking about the game instead of just watching it like a movie

Disco Elysium presents numerous clues pointing to the identity of the murderer; although he isn't encountered before the climactic confrontation, you should already be aware of much about him:

I'm not saying that it wasn't well foreshadowed, it was, it's just not how murder mysteries usually work . The murderer fits with the plot and theme quite well, but I think they could have made it less focused on harry being a detective trying to bring someone to justice in such a shithole, and more him being sent there to stop any future murders and restoring order. That would have gone a long way for me not trying to put the puzzle pieces together. Eventually I did just stop thinking about it because the clues never pointed to anyone we knew, I picked up on that. It's just early on I even took some brief notes because I was expecting having to do a scene where at the end you select someone for the crime. The game felt very reliant on choices up until the end which was pretty railroaded. Being able to frame some person whose ideology you dont like would have been pretty funny. But hey, endings are hard and I cant really blame them for not wanting to write multiple when 90% of people just pick the good boy option in every game.

You're looking at it from an autist point of you. This was never a murder mystery, the first 5 minutes is an indicator. I've said it many times and I'll say it again. This is a personal journey through addiction, love and heartbreak. Everything else, the murder mystery, policework, politics, is all a backdrop to the themes of the adventure.

Lawrence block's novels have a similar humorous tone with philosophy thrown in and they still manage to actually make the mystery solvable, and the protagonist is a burglar not even an official detective. I'm not buying that excuse.

 

[BosanskiSeljak]

Lawrence block's novels have a similar humorous tone with philosophy thrown in and they still manage to actually make the mystery solvable, and the protagonist is a burglar not even an official detective. I'm not buying that excuse.

You still fail to understand what I said. I said the humorous parts are still a backdrop, or did you fail to see that? Even then, depending on your build, you can rule out everything you encounter within the first few hours of the game. Again, let go of your autism, go experience life, and come back to me.

 

[TheDarkUrge]

Lawrence block's novels have a similar humorous tone with philosophy thrown in and they still manage to actually make the mystery solvable, and the protagonist is a burglar not even an official detective. I'm not buying that excuse.

You still fail to understand what I said. I said the humorous parts are still a backdrop, or did you fail to see that? Even then, depending on your build, you can rule out everything you encounter within the first few hours of the game. Again, let go of your autism, go experience life, and come back to me.

I'm addicted to the autism of solving mysteries so I actually did empathise with Harry's withdrawal. Btw I still liked the ending especially with the

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monster at the end. I really liked that theme of not giving up on the sense of wonder when it actually ended up being real after crushing your hopes of finding it earlier.