Incline Disco Elysium - The Final Cut - a hardboiled cop show isometric RPG

[Quillon]

This thought cabinet biz seems to be all about stat bonuses, right? Because I internalized some thought it won't unlock anything in dialogue(?), at least I haven't noticed anything yet.

 

[vota DC]

I think the game would've been much better without stats, as all checks are based on skills and some of them don't fit in their corresponding stat (examples: Drama fits more for psyche I think, Authority would go well for physical builds but it's a psyche skill, Shivers as a physical skill is only there to provide some clues to dumb cops, perception is exactly the same...). I don't know, maybe even implement some sort of synergies between the skills. It would have been more fun that way IMO.

With psyche you FEEL a lie but with drama you can explain it, I think that active drama (when you lie) should get a bonus from suggestion while passive when you discover a lie should get s bonus from empathy.
Authority is perfect there, Napoleon had huge authority but little physical, authority is more subtle that just using your body to incute fear, that is more half light. I think that both authority and suggestion need a little encyclopedia.
Perception is just advanced senses, you can be a caveman with tons of that, I think that without Kim you shouldn't have a clue about what to do with that information.

 

[Jenkem]

I'm about halfway through the game with 15 hours, so should probably clock 30 hours to finish. It would probably be 20 hours to finish if the game didn't try to to artificially slow the player down with retarded map movement, snail pace running speed, everpresent plot-gating and constant backtracking through sequences of loading screens that take eternity.

what really bugged me was not being able to scroll the map so I could just scroll to where I wanted to go, click, and then alt tab and shit post while my dudes walked there. I wouldn't even care about walk speed if I could just fucking scroll

 

[Haba]

This thought cabinet biz seems to be all about stat bonuses, right? Because I internalized some thought it won't unlock anything in dialogue(?), at least I haven't noticed anything yet.

Some do, some don't. Some do it more.

 

[Luckmann]

Oh, this is some Grade-A horseshit. I didn't expect something as bad as this in the game at this point. Snuck up on me like a trojan horse in a birthday card. A cowardly stab in the back if there ever was one.

Meatballs and mashed potatoes are fucking delicious. Not only is the writer politically ignorant, but apparently the culinary ability and appreciation of the developers is in an unprecedented decline and in an unacceptable, disastrous state.

 

[cruelio]

"Satisfying" doesn't mean "happy." The mystery narrative is unsatisfying because it is impossible to solve with the clues you're given.

From playing the game, it seems most likely that this is intentional. The writers wanted to take the pleasure of "solving the mystery" away from the player. See my post in the spoiler thread for more detailed analysis.

If that was their goal then they still failed. If you want to see "taking away the pleasure of solving the mystery" done right then see Name of the Rose or Chinatown. Even though the detective narrative is deconstructed to the point where the detectives in these stories actually fail (unlike the detective in Disco Elysium, who still succeeds and is only temporarily obstructed by poor writing), the actual underlying mysteries still follow the basic precepts of the detective genre.

This game doesn't let me roll into town, solve everybody's problems and singlehandedly decide which major faction is to succeed and shape the fate of the entire area for years to come, shit game.

Not a Fallout clone/10

When did I ask for this? Another strawman from someone who can't discuss things honestly.

When Age of Decadence patched in ending slides, including ending slides that were depressing (see: Aurelian ending if you don't ally with the Guards), no one said "this game lets me me roll into town, solve everybody's problems and singlehandedly decide which major faction is to succeed and shape the fate of the entire area for years to come, shit game." People were instead very happy.

I really can't believe people are happy investing in a game where all you do is make choices and then get no indication whatsoever what the results of those choices were.

 

[Quillon]

This thought cabinet biz seems to be all about stat bonuses, right? Because I internalized some thought it won't unlock anything in dialogue(?), at least I haven't noticed anything yet.

Some do, some don't. Some do it more.

You sure? f.e. I internalized a thought to find out detective's exact age but his age never became relevant/mentioned again, same for him finding out where his home is and all the others so far. It seems to be just about stat rewards in my game

 

[JarlFrank]

This thought cabinet biz seems to be all about stat bonuses, right? Because I internalized some thought it won't unlock anything in dialogue(?), at least I haven't noticed anything yet.

Happens occasionally. Internalized the thought about that one song bird, and at some point after internalizing it I heard the song of that bird somewhere. Probably wouldn't have happened without it.

 

[TT1]

Its too soon to say that Disco Elysium is better than Planescape Torment?

I dont mean it in a bad way to Torment, not t all (I am a PST bitch, I even have a symbol of torment tattoo), its just... jesus Christ, Disco Elysium is really, really impressive

 

[Lithium Flower]

Its too soon to say that Disco Elysium is better than Planescape Torment?

I dont mean it in a bad way to Torment, not t all, its just... jesus Christ, Disco Elysium is really, really impressive.

Yeah, I just punched in the numbers into the objective value calculus. Disco Elysium got the score of 9.33/10 (repeating, of course) while Torment is merely 9.125/10, so looks like it.

 

[Strange Fellow]

Its too soon to say that Disco Elysium is better than Planescape Torment?

I dont mean it in a bad way to Torment, not t all (I am a PST bitch, I even have a symbol of torment tattoo), its just... jesus Christ, Disco Elysium is really, really impressive

I don't think it's better, but before playing it I scoffed at the "next Torment" hype. I'm not scoffing anymore.

I really can't believe people are happy investing in a game where all you do is make choices and then get no indication whatsoever what the results of those choices were.

Let's hear some specifics then, what would you like to have had spelt out for you in ending slides? And please, use the spoiler tag so Luckmann doesn't have an aneurysm.

 

[Prime Junta]

Its too soon to say that Disco Elysium is better than Planescape Torment?

I dont mean it in a bad way to Torment, not t all (I am a PST bitch, I even have a symbol of torment tattoo), its just... jesus Christ, Disco Elysium is really, really impressive

I thought that too just after finishing the game.

Then I watched the Torment trailer from the Fallout CD and remembered just how good it is.



So I'll stand by what I said earlier: it's already a towering achievement that the comparison can even be made and not immediately laughed out of the building.

 

[TT1]

So I'll stand by what I said earlier: it's already a towering achievement that the comparison can even be made and not immediately laughed out of the building.

Yes, exactly! And it was made by a smaller team, I believe. We are not talking about a major force, like Black Isle, or a solid brand as D&D. I am just stunned right now. I dont have any idea how these guys accomplished this.

Its hard to say spiritual successor when they are (I think) at least as good as the original.

 

[tripedal]

First bad review? https://www.godisageek.com/reviews/disco-elysium-review/

Disco Elysium feels like a game that would have been better suited to a point and click adventure, rather than a sprawling RPG. It’s a game that has a lot to say (quite literally, given that it’s made up of around one million words) but doesn’t always know what tone to use while saying it, which leads to an experience that just didn’t captivate me as much as it might others. Its characters are almost universally disgusting excuses for human beings, which also didn’t help as I found nobody to relate to or latch onto.

Positives
Genuinely funny at times
Well-written


Negatives
Its tone shifts way too much
Dice rolls are almost as bad as XCOM’s accuracy percentages
Progression issues

7.5/10

 

[Haba]

I really can't believe people are happy investing in a game where all you do is make choices and then get no indication whatsoever what the results of those choices were.

You might have literally saved the world. How is that for a result?

You do get some closure

Spoiler

The fate of a certain disco dancer

But it'd suck balls if everything was spelled out like that. I think it is much more satisfying this way. Use your own inland empire skill.

 

[Prime Junta]

Its hard to say spiritual successor when they are (I think) at least as good as the original.

This never was intended to be a spiritual successor. It's just a game by people who really love games, certain types of games in particular of which PS:T is the champion. They made it for themselves as much as for us. I think that's why it works.

 

[Prime Junta]

First bad review?

Second. Eurogamer had a negative one too. Behold your champion, haters

 

[Van-d-all]

First bad review? https://www.godisageek.com/reviews/disco-elysium-review/

Disco Elysium feels like a game that would have been better suited to a point and click adventure, rather than a sprawling RPG. It’s a game that has a lot to say (quite literally, given that it’s made up of around one million words) but doesn’t always know what tone to use while saying it, which leads to an experience that just didn’t captivate me as much as it might others. Its characters are almost universally disgusting excuses for human beings, which also didn’t help as I found nobody to relate to or latch onto.

Positives
Genuinely funny at times
Well-written


Negatives
Its tone shifts way too much
Dice rolls are almost as bad as XCOM’s accuracy percentages
Progression issues

7.5/10

7,5 negative? Anyways, funny how dude blames tone shift in DE whilst giving 8.0 to D:OS2 https://www.godisageek.com/reviews/divinity-original-sin-2-review/ which tends to mix slapstick comedy with slaughterhouse gore within single dialogues...

 

[TT1]

First bad review? https://www.godisageek.com/reviews/disco-elysium-review/

Disco Elysium feels like a game that would have been better suited to a point and click adventure, rather than a sprawling RPG

How could this be a better game without the amazing system abilities? Fuck this idiot.

 

[Prime Junta]

One thing that really ???'ed me about both of these reviews is the stuff about disgusting human beings/not being able to be kind. It's like... did they even play this game? Almost every disgusting human being you meet turns out to be a Mensch once you get to know them. Cuno is downright tragic if you do his quest. I started feeling for the mass-murdering war criminal of a murder victim after Klaasje opened up to me about him. Joyce is terrifically relatable. Mañana, Tommy, the Netpicker... it's just full of sympathetic characters.

And kindness? Kindness is the whole entire fucking point of the game. It's even spelled out for you at a climactic moment.

It's... like, did they even play the same game at all?

 

[Grotesque]

how many patches are out?
are there gamebreaking bugs?
can I purchase it now or still have to wait?

 

[Prime Junta]

how many patches are out?

Didn't count but several. Their patch notes are shit, they just roll them out and hope.

are there gamebreaking bugs?

None that I know of.

can I purchase it now or still have to wait?

You can buy now.

 

[Egosphere]

First bad review? https://www.godisageek.com/reviews/disco-elysium-review/

Disco Elysium feels like a game that would have been better suited to a point and click adventure, rather than a sprawling RPG

How could this be a better game without the amazing system abilities? Fuck this idiot.

It could have been a better game with a better stat system, or at least one that didn't leave you dependent on a stochastic process when making important checks (especially when you have spent a lot of points buttressing the required skill)

 

[Van-d-all]

Its characters are almost universally disgusting excuses for human beings, which also didn’t help as I found nobody to relate to or latch onto.

And here I am finding most NPC relatable for the first time in years.

 

[Egosphere]

how many patches are out?
are there gamebreaking bugs?
can I purchase it now or still have to wait?

If you're playing on pretty much minimum requirements, there may be instances where you might run into trouble, bug wise. But that's not the game's fault.