Divinity Divinity: Original Sin - Enhanced Edition

[Lacrymas]

They don't, you get more per level later on.

 

[NJClaw]

Make sure somebody in the party is developing a good Lore. Some of this can come from equipment. It is used during combat to see important things like enemy resistances/immunities.

I have the archer chick who starts with lore and already has 2 points, so pretty good there so far. If the ability points remain at one a level then not sure I'd put more into that, but we'll see.

Once you reach 3 points, you can gain the remaining 2 with items. You can also equip them only when you need to identify something.

 

[Lacrymas]

I never put any points into lore, I just used items on Bairdotr.

 

[jackofshadows]

Make sure somebody in the party is developing a good Lore. Some of this can come from equipment. It is used during combat to see important things like enemy resistances/immunities.

I have the archer chick who starts with lore and already has 2 points, so pretty good there so far. If the ability points remain at one a level then not sure I'd put more into that, but we'll see.

Once you reach 3 points, you can gain the remaining 2 with items. You can also equip them only when you need to identify something.

IIRC you can get +3 from gear and +1 from trait although it's for MCs only. Anyway, don't waste skill points on lore for archer chick.

 

[Nano]

I have the archer chick

You can memorize her name by remembering she's the daughter of a bear.

 

[DalekFlay]

Once you reach 3 points, you can gain the remaining 2 with items. You can also equip them only when you need to identify something.

Yeah I'm noticing gear gives a lot of stat bonuses. I'm only level 5 but my tank has three extra strength points from gear already. Haven't found constitution boosts yet.

 

[chuft]

Loved having Lore 5 level info on enemies in combat.

 

[DalekFlay]

Really enjoying the game with a couple quibbles. Is it me or does this game have like zero lore? I've read a handful of lore books but they're very simplistic, and NPCs pretty much never talk about grander concepts than what's right in front of them. Also the level structure is way too streamlined, with obvious areas to do in sequence rather than them being a little more mixed together. I'm not complaining about levels in general, and it was fun to go into the level 7 area and do some tough fights at level 5. It's the geography I dislike, things are too segregated by level like a WoW map.

 

[Strange Fellow]

Is it me or does this game have like zero lore? I've read a handful of lore books but they're very simplistic, and NPCs pretty much never talk about grander concepts than what's right in front of them.

Enjoy it while you can.

Also the level structure is way too streamlined, with obvious areas to do in sequence rather than them being a little more mixed together. I'm not complaining about levels in general, and it was fun to go into the level 7 area and do some tough fights at level 5. It's the geography I dislike, things are too segregated by level like a WoW map.

Never got this complaint myself, the Cyseal area seemed to me to follow a general rule of tougher encounters the further away from the city you go. To the extent that it does have a restrictive "level structure" I absolutely would blame levels in general, considering what a massive difference even one or two extra levels make to the overall power level of your party.

 

[DalekFlay]

Never got this complaint myself, the Cyseal area seemed to me to follow a general rule of tougher encounters the further away from the city you go. To the extent that it does have a restrictive "level structure" I absolutely would blame levels in general, considering what a massive difference even one or two extra levels make to the overall power level of your party.

It's not like that, it's very segmented into zones like WoW. That's my complaint. Here's a map:

I prefer when it's more organic like say a Gothic game, so you can explore more freely rather than doing entire zones sequentially.

 

[chuft]

In other words, you want encounters that...how you say...scale to your level.

 

[Efe]

it is an open world game but you have to take a certain path which turns it into an open world corridor.
is it really all you can take from his words that he wants level scaling?

 

[calgary.alberta]

Any good build guides for characters, I don't wanna think

 

[Tigranes]

I get what Dalek's saying, though I don't think they could have done it much differently in the case of the DOS1 map - it's relatively small and there's a density of encounters, so plopping a Level 5 enemy in the middle of the Level 2 area could easily stump some players thinking it's the only path.

The real difference comes from whether your level 5 guy can try to take on enemies between level 2-8, for example, or whether it's a TW3 like extreme where you do 0.2 damage suddenly and realise you're out of your level zone.

 

[Lacrymas]

Is it me or does this game have like zero lore?

It's not only you, I made the same observation when I played it recently -

I don't mean quest information, just general lore. You can ask pretty much everyone what they think about the Immaculates and the non-Immaculates would say "they are a creepy blood cult which carry out sacrifices OooooOoOooOO", and the Immaculates would say "The Goddess is great! Step on my throat, mommy!" in different wordings. There is no world-building or even any lore to speak of, just the same thing over and over again.

And I forced myself to read every book I came across to practice my German. There is exactly 1 interesting piece of lore in the entire game, and 1 sort of "storyline" that had me more engrossed than the entirety of the other writing. The piece of lore is the "A Pirate's Life" book where a captain tells us of Cyseal's weird laws and how he has to work around them. The storyline is Maradino's journal entries, I was more into his relationship with his mother than anything else in the entire game.

 

[Mr. Magniloquent]

I get what Dalek's saying, though I don't think they could have done it much differently in the case of the DOS1 map - it's relatively small and there's a density of encounters, so plopping a Level 5 enemy in the middle of the Level 2 area could easily stump some players thinking it's the only path.

The real difference comes from whether your level 5 guy can try to take on enemies between level 2-8, for example, or whether it's a TW3 like extreme where you do 0.2 damage suddenly and realise you're out of your level zone.

My first (only) playthrough, I left the city gates at Level 3 and proceeded to the beach area marked as Level 6, lol. That explains alot. I remember getting my first encounter on that beach being battle of attrition with two orcs who I kept stun locked in a puddle. The puddle had been continually electrified so many times that it eventually evaporated. Not into a usable cloud mind you, just gone. I only just barely killed them when it did. I'm not sure if it "over leveled" my group, but clearing that beach, it was the last time I experience any difficulty at all. It was still a fun game though.

 

[Strange Fellow]

Never felt I "had to" go anywhere, that's the point. Yeah, some areas are easier than others, but allowing for say a 2-level leeway, which I don't think is unreasonable, you'll always have several ways to go. It's way worse in the sequel. That's not to say that the level stat isn't more important than it should be, since ideally it should have exactly zero influence on anything.

 

[lukaszek]

deterministic system > RNG

 

[DalekFlay]

In other words, you want encounters that...how you say...scale to your level.

I literally mentioned a series without scaling but a more open design in the post you're responding to.

 

[JDR13]

I think there's a decent amount of lore. There are lots of dialogues that talk about past historical events and figures in the world, i.e. the source war, the dragon war, Maxos, etc.

I think people are simply used to having written lore (books, etc.) as opposed to it being told through dialogue.

As for the map, I never felt like it was very linear. I mean, it is, but they did a good job of making it feel like the natural path to me.

 

[pidstuff]

I've been playing this game recently and I'm enjoying it a lot. the ability to interact with a lot of objects and the environment is really good, and the writing reminds me of some of the games I've played in the 90s and 2000s. I also appreciate the puzzles and how the game doesn't hold your hand everywhere. Still, it has its' flaws like in combat where you can accidentally move closer to your target and it could be frustrating at times.

 

[catfood]

I've been playing this game recently and I'm enjoying it a lot. the ability to interact with a lot of objects and the environment is really good, and the writing reminds me of some of the games I've played in the 90s and 2000s. I also appreciate the puzzles and how the game doesn't hold your hand everywhere. Still, it has its' flaws like in combat where you can accidentally move closer to your target and it could be frustrating at times.

I found that using the over the top camera mode helped mitigate this problem a lot.

 

[DalekFlay]

I think there's a decent amount of lore. There are lots of dialogues that talk about past historical events and figures in the world, i.e. the source war, the dragon war, Maxos, etc.

Well I prefer getting it through dialog, so hopefully it becomes more prominent and the opening chapter is just lighter on lore. So far all I know is a source war happened, I am a team that hunts down people who still use it, and there are 7 gods who went missing. Not even sure which country I'm in.

 

[DalekFlay]

BE THE BIG CHEESE ON YOUR BLOCK WITH A WHEEL OF THE GOOD STUFF!!!

 

[DalekFlay]

No one cares update: this game's shit boring story and goofy dialog is wearing on me something fierce. I think I'm about halfway through, we'll see if I make it. Combat's good though.